Jesus as King?

[JaumeJ]

It is demonstrated in this thread how many simply cannot accept the Person of Jesus.

Without understanding Who He is and What He was in His first advent so many reject anything relating to His actual being because they thing He was a Jew.

Oh yes, He did fulfill the foretelling that He would be of the Tribe of Judah, the Tribe, but there was never a religion called Judaism until after Jesus-Yeshua.l

These folks reject all of what Jesus was in the flesh because they are under the false believe the He was a Jew. Hew was an Hebrew of Israel, the specific tribe of Judah...learn and know the difference.

It seems the people who hated all things Hebrew, in separating themselves from the descendants of Judah also separaqted themselves from theman andSavior, Je4sus-Yeshua.

Did not the Good Shepherd say He had another Flock other than the Original Flock¿ He went on to say He was goign to bring the other Flock to be joined to the Original Flock.

Now I do not say I am expert in understanding for no man is without the guidance of the Holy Spirit, therefore I know the otherFlock is made up of the nations, Gentiles, and they are to be joined to the Original, thaqt is, Israel.

Since our Savior ascended in His glorified Being, man has done everything possible to separate His saved from His original Flock.

If you love Jesus, you will stop0 resisting being as He was when He cam eto save us. The actual meaning of a Jew is not a denomination, it means Praiser of God, and we all are Israel, praises of God. We are also Hebrews for Hebrews are those from "Across the River," and we will cross Jordan on His day to pass into the True Promised Land.

 

[John146]

You are adding to God's word ideologies Jesus clearly refuted.

Nope. Jesus taught a physical kingdom for the Jews and a spiritual kingdom for the believer.

 

[John146]

Did not the Good Shepherd say He had another Flock other than the Original Flock¿ He went on to say He was goign to bring the other Flock to be joined to the Original Flock.

Yep, referring to the Jews in the tribulation. Read and study Ezekiel 34-37. It’s never a reference to Gentiles.

 

[Dave-L]

Nope. Jesus taught a physical kingdom for the Jews and a spiritual kingdom for the believer.

“That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:” Ephesians 1:10 (KJV 1900)

“Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;” Ephesians 2:15–19 (KJV 1900)

 

[John146]

“That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:” Ephesians 1:10 (KJV 1900)

“Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;” Ephesians 2:15–19 (KJV 1900)

Yes, after He gathers together all things in Him (see also 1 Thessalonians 4), then His program with His physical people Israel will continue.

 

[Dave-L]

Yes, after He gathers together all things in Him (see also 1 Thessalonians 4), then His program with His physical people Israel will continue.

The universe will explode according to Peter. No planet = no physical people.

 

[John146]

The universe will explode according to Peter. No planet = no physical people.

??? Post scripture please.

 

[John146]

The universe will explode according to Peter. No planet = no physical people.

Revelation 20
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

 

[Dave-L]

Revelation 20
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

It's coming soon to a world near you.

 

[Dave-L]

??? Post scripture please.

“But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.” 2 Peter 3:7–13 (KJV 1900)

 

[John146]

It's coming soon to a world near you.

Jesus must reign a thousand years first....on earth....on David’s throne...from Zion...in Jerusalem.

 

[John146]

“But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.” 2 Peter 3:7–13 (KJV 1900)

Not quite exploding, but burned up with fire as revelation states.

 

[Dave-L]

Jesus must reign a thousand years first....on earth....on David’s throne...from Zion...in Jerusalem.

The 1000 years = Satan's binding from deceiving the nations (promised to Abraham). When loosed, Satan attacks the kingdom. So they are not the kingdom.

 

[Dave-L]

Not quite exploding, but burned up with fire as revelation states.

Make what you want out of it but great noise = a big bang.

 

[John146]

The 1000 years = Satan's binding from deceiving the nations (promised to Abraham). When loosed, Satan attacks the kingdom. So they are not the kingdom.

Satan is still deceiving the nations. It’s future and is clearly after the physical reign of Christ on earth.

 

[Dave-L]

Satan is still deceiving the nations. It’s future and is clearly after the physical reign of Christ on earth.

“All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.” John 6:37 (KJV 1900)

But I believe Satan is now loosed attacking the Church with false doctrines since the 1800s and the world since that time.

 

[John146]

“All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.” John 6:37 (KJV 1900)

But I believe Satan is now loosed attacking the Church with false doctrines since the 1800s and the world since that time.

Yes, Satan is loosed. He has never been bound as of yet. Satan is the god of this world. He is the ruler of the darkness of this world.

 

[Dave-L]

Yes, Satan is loosed. He has never been bound as of yet. Satan is the god of this world. He is the ruler of the darkness of this world.

He was bound from deceiving the nations by the gospel preached to the whole world. You add to scripture if you make the binding amount to more than this.

 

[John146]

He was bound from deceiving the nations by the gospel preached to the whole world. You add to scripture if you make the binding amount to more than this.

Nope, Paul said Satan hindered him.

1 Thessalonians 2:18 Wherefore we would have come unto you, even I Paul, once and again; but Satan hindered us.

 

[Dave-L]

Nope, Paul said Satan resisted him.

You are adding to Revelation if you say Satan is bound in more ways than not deceiving the nations. Paul proved it by his success.