What part of saved by grace through faith don't you understand? I keep posting the same thing over and over and you keep responding with this...The order is NOT: My self-righteous good works then Salvation ...You are just making yourself look silly. I have not changed the word. God saved us by his grace but it is done through faith which he also gave us. Repentance ,baptism are all done through the faith he gave me, He saved me,and is saving me through faith. Faith without works is dead so we exercise our faith by action. Are we not created unto good works.You have to pick up your cross daily. All done in faith. God does not force himself on us he gives us the faith but we still have to choose else it cannot be said the ungodly rejected God. And he still stand at the door knocking for men to let him in.
It Is satanic Heresy to Deny Eternal Security
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Thread Topic = Eternal Security or OSS = Once Saved, Saved!
This is the Rocket Science concept that if you are saved, well then you are saved.
(Duh!)
If we are saved by the Savior, then we are not merely given-chance by a Chance-Giver.
Thou shalt call His name Jesus.
For He shall save His people from their sins.
(peep, peep).
Jehovah redeems the soul of his servants;
And none of them who take refuge in him shall be condemned.
Ps 52
But as for me, I am like a green olive-tree in the house of God:
I trust in the lovingkindness of God for ever and ever.
I will give thee thanks for ever, because thou hast done it;
1 Thes 5 end:
"And the God of peace himself sanctify you wholly; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved entire, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Faithful is He Who calls you, Who will also do it.
Col 3
When Christ, who is our life, shall be manifested, then you also with him shall be [not "may be"] manifested in glory.
2 Thes 2:16
Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God our Father who loved us and gave us eternal comfort and good hope through grace,
End of Rom 8:
And we know that to them that love God all things work together for good, even to them that are called according to his purpose. For whom
he foreknew,
he also foreordained to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren: and whom
he foreordained, them
he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom
he justified, them
he also glorified.
31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? 3He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not also with him freely give us all things? Who shall lay anything to the charge of God’s elect? It is God that justifieth; who is he that condemneth?
[certainly not any heretics who post on CC]
It is Christ Jesus that died, yea rather, that was raised from the dead, who is at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or anguish, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? Even as it is written,
For thy sake we are killed all the day long;
We were accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
< 1 Pet 1
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, unto an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
THE OVERCOMER
Revelation 3:5
The one who overcomes will be clothed thus in white garments, and
I will never blot his name out of the book of life.
I will confess his name before my Father… 1 John 5:4-5 For whatsoever is begotten of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. And who is he who overcomes the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.
And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of the throne saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he shall dwell with them, and they shall be his peoples, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God: and he shall wipe away every tear from their eyes; and death shall be no more; neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain, any more: the first things are passed away. And he that sitteth on the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he saith, Write: for these words are faithful and true. And he said unto me, They are come to pass. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He who overcomes shall inherit these things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. But for the fearful, and unbelieving, and abominable, and murderers, and fornicators, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, their part shall be in the lake that burneth with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.
< 2 Tim 4:18
The Lord will deliver me from every evil work, and will save me unto his heavenly kingdom;
Rm 6:23b
the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
John 6:37
All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.
John 10:28
I give them eternal life, and they will never perish
John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
2 Corinthians 1:22
And who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.
Romans 11:29
For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
1 John 5:13
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.
Philippians 1:6
And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ.
All praise to the Lord Jesus Christ, the author & perfecter of our faith.
This is the Rocket Science concept that if you are saved, well then you are saved.
(Duh!)
If we are saved by the Savior, then we are not merely given-chance by a Chance-Giver.
Thou shalt call His name Jesus.
For He shall save His people from their sins.
(peep, peep).
Jehovah redeems the soul of his servants;
And none of them who take refuge in him shall be condemned.
Ps 52
But as for me, I am like a green olive-tree in the house of God:
I trust in the lovingkindness of God for ever and ever.
I will give thee thanks for ever, because thou hast done it;
1 Thes 5 end:
"And the God of peace himself sanctify you wholly; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved entire, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Faithful is He Who calls you, Who will also do it.
Col 3
When Christ, who is our life, shall be manifested, then you also with him shall be [not "may be"] manifested in glory.
2 Thes 2:16
Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God our Father who loved us and gave us eternal comfort and good hope through grace,
End of Rom 8:
And we know that to them that love God all things work together for good, even to them that are called according to his purpose. For whom
he foreknew,
he also foreordained to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren: and whom
he foreordained, them
he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom
he justified, them
he also glorified.
31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? 3He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not also with him freely give us all things? Who shall lay anything to the charge of God’s elect? It is God that justifieth; who is he that condemneth?
[certainly not any heretics who post on CC]
It is Christ Jesus that died, yea rather, that was raised from the dead, who is at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or anguish, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? Even as it is written,
For thy sake we are killed all the day long;
We were accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
< 1 Pet 1
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, unto an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
THE OVERCOMER
Revelation 3:5
The one who overcomes will be clothed thus in white garments, and
I will never blot his name out of the book of life.
I will confess his name before my Father… 1 John 5:4-5 For whatsoever is begotten of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. And who is he who overcomes the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.
And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of the throne saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he shall dwell with them, and they shall be his peoples, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God: and he shall wipe away every tear from their eyes; and death shall be no more; neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain, any more: the first things are passed away. And he that sitteth on the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he saith, Write: for these words are faithful and true. And he said unto me, They are come to pass. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He who overcomes shall inherit these things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. But for the fearful, and unbelieving, and abominable, and murderers, and fornicators, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, their part shall be in the lake that burneth with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.
< 2 Tim 4:18
The Lord will deliver me from every evil work, and will save me unto his heavenly kingdom;
Rm 6:23b
the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
John 6:37
All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.
John 10:28
I give them eternal life, and they will never perish
John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
2 Corinthians 1:22
And who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.
Romans 11:29
For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
1 John 5:13
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.
Philippians 1:6
And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ.
All praise to the Lord Jesus Christ, the author & perfecter of our faith.
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Thread Topic = Eternal Security or OSS = Once Saved, Saved!
This is the Rocket Science concept that if you are saved, well then you are saved.
(Duh!)
If we are saved by the Savior, then we are not merely given-chance by a Chance-Giver.
Thou shalt call His name Jesus.
For He shall save His people from their sins.
This is the Rocket Science concept that if you are saved, well then you are saved.
(Duh!)
If we are saved by the Savior, then we are not merely given-chance by a Chance-Giver.
Thou shalt call His name Jesus.
For He shall save His people from their sins.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
If we see this brother sin shall we say this brother was never saved in the first place?
Is there a sin unto death? And if sins are not forgiven will they not lead to death?
[SUP]16 [/SUP]If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
If we see this brother sin shall we say this brother was never saved in the first place?
[SUP]16 [/SUP]If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
If we see this brother sin shall we say this brother was never saved in the first place?
Consider the scripture (which you seem to like to quote, & I commend you for not just running on, but actually quoting the Bible).
Believe on the Lord Jesus [Christ], & you shall be saved.
I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish.
Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.
Now to save His people from their sins, that means that His people have to be forgiven for their sins.
Thus it is impossible that persons who are actually saved (not just given a chance at it) should not have all their sins forgiven, and forgiven by virtue of Christ's death, which happened long before we were born.
I take the sin-unto-death to be as in 1 Cor 5, where a brother is in serious sin, and he is delivered to satan for the destruction of the flesh that the spirit may be saved. If Christians continue in willful sin they are guaranteed chastisement, and 1 Cor 5 is the ultimate chastisement.
The Lord Jesus has told those who trust Him as Savior that He will save them from their sins. He can do it, He will do it, and He must do it -- for He is faithful to His promises.
So a professed Christ may have never been saved. Perhaps he just joined the church, sang the hymns and thought he could be a good boy, do good works & squeeze past the judgment -- imitate Christ and all the rest. I was like that for a number of years, a church member attending regularly. But I had no assurance of going to Heaven; no one even told me that Christ paid for my sins on the cross or that salvation was a free gift to the believer.
As 1 John 2 tells us, those who are part of the Body of Christ do not depart from the body. If they leave the church, they show that they were never "of us," never really saved.
Thus there are apostates, never saved who leave. The there are real Christians who sin, who get chastised -- and BTW, every Christian sins & gets chastised. If a man sins and does not get chastised that shows he was never a real Christian. So I take the sin unto death in 1 John as the Christian who willfully sins & gets the ultimate chastisement.
Heb 12:
ye have forgotten the exhortation which reasoneth with you as with sons,
My son, regard not lightly the chastening of the Lord,
Nor faint when thou art reproved of him;
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth,
And scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
Heb. 12:7
It is for chastening that ye endure; God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is there whom his father chasteneth not? 8 But if ye are without chastening, whereof all have been made partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons. 9 Furthermore, we had the fathers of our flesh to chasten us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? 10 For they indeed for a few days chastened us as seemed good to them; but he for our profit, that we may be partakers of his holiness. 11 All chastening seemeth for the present to be not joyous but grievous; yet afterward it yieldeth peaceable fruit unto them that have been exercised thereby, even the fruit of righteousness.
There is this matter of what I call woodshed forgiveness. Are you familiar with the expression, "take you to the woodshed?" This goes back to father's taking their sons to be chastised in the woodshed.
For there is a forgiveness in 1 John 1:9 which follows confession of sins.
KJV 1 Cor 11: "31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. 32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world."
I take it that if we confess our sins, we may avoid chastisement & get woodshed forgiveness, excused from chastisement.
I had a friend at work about 20 years ago now. I will call him Bill. Bill appeared to be a Christian. I saw him in the break-room, he was looking at advertisements in the newspaper. He told me he was looking to get something for his little boy at Easter. I left work before Bill did that day. On the way out I passed by him, and he said to me like, "Atwood, what will happen to you if you just go on sinning as a Christian?" I replied, "The Lord will take you to the woodshed." Bill replied, "What is that?" Bill seemed to be too familiar with some girl at work. I speculate that he may have been into adultery.
I didn't get a chance to answer him before I left.
The next day at work it was reported how his mother-in-law had shot him to death with 6 bullets from a .380 pistol. Bill had been in financial difficulties. Unknown to myself, his wife had abandoned him, taken his son, & gone home to mama. Bill went over there to try to persuade his wife to come home. Instead of her going home with Bill, Bill was shot to death by his mother-in-law in her home.
The funeral was awful. Bill's father cried out, "My boy, my boy, my baby boy." I believe that Bill was a real Christian.
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Now to save His people from their sins, that means that His people have to be forgiven for their sins.
Thus it is impossible that persons who are actually saved (not just given a chance at it) should not have all their sins forgiven, and forgiven by virtue of Christ's death, which happened long before we were born.
I take the sin-unto-death to be as in 1 Cor 5, where a brother is in serious sin, and he is delivered to satan for the destruction of the flesh that the spirit may be saved. If Christians continue in willful sin they are guaranteed chastisement, and 1 Cor 5 is the ultimate chastisement.
Thus it is impossible that persons who are actually saved (not just given a chance at it) should not have all their sins forgiven, and forgiven by virtue of Christ's death, which happened long before we were born.
I take the sin-unto-death to be as in 1 Cor 5, where a brother is in serious sin, and he is delivered to satan for the destruction of the flesh that the spirit may be saved. If Christians continue in willful sin they are guaranteed chastisement, and 1 Cor 5 is the ultimate chastisement.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
[SUP]27 [/SUP]But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
[SUP]30 [/SUP]For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]But call to remembrance the former days, in which, after ye were illuminated, ye endured a great fight of afflictions;
[SUP]33 [/SUP]Partly, whilst ye were made a gazingstock both by reproaches and afflictions; and partly, whilst ye became companions of them that were so used.
[SUP]34 [/SUP]For ye had compassion of me in my bonds, and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing in yourselves that ye have in heaven a better and an enduring substance.
[SUP]35 [/SUP]Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.
[SUP]36 [/SUP]For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
So a professed Christ may have never been saved. Perhaps he just joined the church, sang the hymns and thought he could be a good boy, do good works & squeeze past the judgment -- imitate Christ and all the rest. I was like that for a number of years, a church member attending regularly. But I had no assurance of going to Heaven; no one even told me that Christ paid for my sins on the cross or that salvation was a free gift to the believer.
As 1 John 2 tells us, those who are part of the Body of Christ do not depart from the body. If they leave the church, they show that they were never "of us," never really saved.
Thus there are apostates, never saved who leave. The there are real Christians who sin, who get chastised -- and BTW, every Christian sins & gets chastised. If a man sins and does not get chastised that shows he was never a real Christian. So I take the sin unto death in 1 John as the Christian who willfully sins & gets the ultimate chastisement.
As 1 John 2 tells us, those who are part of the Body of Christ do not depart from the body. If they leave the church, they show that they were never "of us," never really saved.
Thus there are apostates, never saved who leave. The there are real Christians who sin, who get chastised -- and BTW, every Christian sins & gets chastised. If a man sins and does not get chastised that shows he was never a real Christian. So I take the sin unto death in 1 John as the Christian who willfully sins & gets the ultimate chastisement.
There is this matter of what I call woodshed forgiveness. Are you familiar with the expression, "take you to the woodshed?" This goes back to father's taking their sons to be chastised in the woodshed.
I take it that if we confess our sins, we may avoid chastisement & get woodshed forgiveness, excused from chastisement.
I had a friend at work about 20 years ago now. I will call him Bill. Bill appeared to be a Christian. I saw him in the break-room, he was looking at advertisements in the newspaper. He told me he was looking to get something for his little boy at Easter. I left work before Bill did that day. On the way out I passed by him, and he said to me like, "Atwood, what will happen to you if you just go on sinning as a Christian?" I replied, "The Lord will take you to the woodshed." Bill replied, "What is that?" Bill seemed to be too familiar with some girl at work. I speculate that he may have been into adultery.
I didn't get a chance to answer him before I left.
The next day at work it was reported how his mother-in-law had shot him to death with 6 bullets from a .380 pistol. Bill had been in financial difficulties. Unknown to myself, his wife had abandoned him, taken his son, & gone home to mama. Bill went over there to try to persuade his wife to come home. Instead of her going home with Bill, Bill was shot to death by his mother-in-law in her home.
The funeral was awful. Bill's father cried out, "My boy, my boy, my baby boy." I believe that Bill was a real Christian.
I take it that if we confess our sins, we may avoid chastisement & get woodshed forgiveness, excused from chastisement.
I had a friend at work about 20 years ago now. I will call him Bill. Bill appeared to be a Christian. I saw him in the break-room, he was looking at advertisements in the newspaper. He told me he was looking to get something for his little boy at Easter. I left work before Bill did that day. On the way out I passed by him, and he said to me like, "Atwood, what will happen to you if you just go on sinning as a Christian?" I replied, "The Lord will take you to the woodshed." Bill replied, "What is that?" Bill seemed to be too familiar with some girl at work. I speculate that he may have been into adultery.
I didn't get a chance to answer him before I left.
The next day at work it was reported how his mother-in-law had shot him to death with 6 bullets from a .380 pistol. Bill had been in financial difficulties. Unknown to myself, his wife had abandoned him, taken his son, & gone home to mama. Bill went over there to try to persuade his wife to come home. Instead of her going home with Bill, Bill was shot to death by his mother-in-law in her home.
The funeral was awful. Bill's father cried out, "My boy, my boy, my baby boy." I believe that Bill was a real Christian.
Nice story but God says...
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
[SUP]30 [/SUP]Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
[SUP]31 [/SUP]Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
[SUP]32 [/SUP]Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
So you see my friend you know the judgement of God and....[SUP]3 [/SUP]For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
NewB, it is very difficult to respond to you, as your comments are imbedded in my old comments, & don't show up when I click to reply.
So if my opinion on the "sin unto death" is wrong, what is your Bible proof?
As to Hebrews 10, let's see your proof that my explanation as chastisement is wrong. Where does it say "lose salvation"? How many times have we been over this one?
Heb. 10:1
9 then hath he said, Lo, I am come to do thy will. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By which will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
[Do you deny that?]
11 And every priest indeed standeth day by day ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, the which can never take away sins: 12 but he, when he had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 henceforth expecting till his enemies be made the footstool of his feet. 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
[Do you deny that? O NewB, what have you got against your being saved by the grace of the Lord Jesus?]
17 And their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
[Why? Because He already perfected the Christian forever by His one sacrifice, and already all their sins were forgiven]
Heb. 10:19
. . . he is faithful that promised: 24 and let us consider one another to provoke unto love and good works; . . . .
Heb. 10:26
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more a sacrifice for sins,
[The one sacrifice perfected the believer forever & got him forgiveness of all his sins.]
27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and a fierceness of fire which shall devour the adversaries. 28 A man that hath set at nought Moses’ law dieth without compassion on the word of two or three witnesses: 29 of how much sorer punishment, think ye, shall he be judged worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant wherewith he was sanctified an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him that said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense. And again, The Lord shall judge
His people. 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
[This is chastisement. The Lord is faithful to His promises: "Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins. -- It may require even destruction of the flesh by satan so that the spirit will be saved.
The same
"His people who are guaranteed that He shall save them from their sins are the His people who will be chastised when they need it to the extent that they need it from a loving Father, who will not let them go.]
38 [NIV]: But
my righteous one will live by faith.
And
I take no pleasure
in the one who shrinks back. 39 But we [the His people] are not of them that shrink back unto perdition; but of them that have faith unto the saving of the soul.
Get ahold of yourself NewB & focus: There is a Savior who paid for your sins on the cross. That perfects the believer once for all. Trust Him; discount Him not as a mere chance-giver.
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, & you shall be saved.
Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.
So if Bill was into child murder and molestation he'd probably be a real Christian also.
Is your mind really that far gone? Your doctrine is utter lunacy.
Crazy stuff.
Is your mind really that far gone? Your doctrine is utter lunacy.
Crazy stuff.
What if this, what if that, what if the other???
Here is what the word says:
"Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.
And it is as certain as the sky is blue that He will verily save His people from their sins.
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you SHALL be saved -- no ifs, ands, or buts. No what if this, what if that, what if the other.
If any reading the has denied the Savior & bad-mouthed Him as a mere chance-giver, repent, and trust Him now as SAvior.
H
To Atwood, You make no distinction between the the "remnant"of Israel. who only are "chosen" to salvation, and the whole nation who are not "elect" to salvation. The book of Hebrews is changing of the covenants of God, (The new cov, replaces the old cov.) and God puts Israel aside for the time, now we are in time of the Gentiles. The old cov. "elect" to salvation were mostly the Jews with only a few Gentiles, NOW in the new cov, the "elect" to salvation are mostly Gentiles, with a few Jews. And under the old cov. most of the nation of the Jews were lost, not elect to salvation. But, under/in the new cov. ,all the persons, in the new cov., are "elect" to salvation, none are lost. These are "His people" whom Jesus will save from their sins, Mt.1:21. God has two chosen people, Israel is God's chosen nation, but not chosen to salvation; The "elect" to salvation "people" are of all nations, from the time of Adam and Eve. The nation of Israel that came out of Egypt, where mostly lost and God said they would never enter His REST, salvation, because they were "disobedient and "unbelieving" people. At the time of the rapture, 144,000 Jews will be saved and left on the earth; Then at Jesus' 2nd coming to earth the whole nation of Israel will be saved when they see Jesus coming. Atwood, you error because you pick and chose only the verses you like and forget the rest of the Bible. The only way you will be saved is if you are one of God's "elect" to salvation. All who hear the Gospel are given a "chance" to be saved, if they would, repent of sin, trust in Christ and obey Jesus. Love to all, Hoffco
Heb. 10:1
9 then hath he said, Lo, I am come to do thy will. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By which will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
[Do you deny that?]
11 And every priest indeed standeth day by day ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, the which can never take away sins: 12 but he, when he had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 henceforth expecting till his enemies be made the footstool of his feet. 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
[Do you deny that? O NewB, what have you got against your being saved by the grace of the Lord Jesus?]
9 then hath he said, Lo, I am come to do thy will. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By which will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
[Do you deny that?]
11 And every priest indeed standeth day by day ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, the which can never take away sins: 12 but he, when he had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 henceforth expecting till his enemies be made the footstool of his feet. 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
[Do you deny that? O NewB, what have you got against your being saved by the grace of the Lord Jesus?]
17 And their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
[Why? Because He already perfected the Christian forever by His one sacrifice, and already all their sins were forgiven]
Heb. 10:19
. . . he is faithful that promised: 24 and let us consider one another to provoke unto love and good works; . . . .
Heb. 10:26
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more a sacrifice for sins,
[The one sacrifice perfected the believer forever & got him forgiveness of all his sins.]
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more a sacrifice for sins,
[The one sacrifice perfected the believer forever & got him forgiveness of all his sins.]
The one sacrifice is used up and you are in danger of hell fire if you sin wilfully ...read the verses following
but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and a fierceness of fire which shall devour the adversaries. 28 A man that hath set at nought Moses’ law dieth without compassion on the word of two or three witnesses: 29 of how much sorer punishment, think ye, shall he be judged worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant wherewith he was sanctified an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him that said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense. And again, The Lord shall judge
His people. 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
His people. 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Do you believe , if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Do you know the scriptures says you can be cut off...Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
To Atwood, You make no distinction
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, & you shall be saved. However, in OT times the Trinity was not clearly understood and men only had to trust YHWH as Savior, without distinguishing members of the Trinity.
As to the distinction between the Church, Israel, & the Gentiles, that is not the topic of this thread. And it is irrelevant.
Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.
I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish.
NewB said:
"Do you not understand that the one sacrifice is to cleanses us from sins up to the point where we are remitted of these?
NewB, what is your proof that the one sacrifice cleanses from sin up to that point?
Since you have sinned plenty all your life, how will your sins be forgiven?
I see no evidence that you ever trusted Christ as Savior, as you think of him as just a chance-giver.
So how is a Christian going to be forgiven of sins after his initial salvation if Christ's sacrifice doesn't cover all sins?
"The Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all."
How can the Lord tell us that by one sacrifice he has perfected forever if the sacrifice only covers sins before conversion? Where does the Bible ever say such a thing?
James 2 says that all who are in Christ remain in Christ.
So you claim that Christ's sacrifice does cover all future sins of some Christians, but only the sins of sanctified Christians?
The text says:
"14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. 15 And the Holy Spirit also beareth witness to us; . . . 29 of how much sorer punishment, think ye, shall he be judged worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant wherewith he was sanctified an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?"
The sanctified here are us, all of us Christians. And the sanctified ones who are perfected forever are the same as those who count the blood of the covenant wherewith they were sanctified an unholy thing.
So this cannot refer to some super dooper sanctified class of Christians, but all Christians are sanctified by the blood of the Lord Jesus.
And it is ridiculous to think that there are some Christians whose sins are not covered by Christ's blood after they are saved, but when they get "sanctified" then all of a sudden Christ's blood then does cover their future sins.
Where does scripture say such a thing? It declares that if any Christian sins that Christian has an advocate with the Father. So how would his future sins after being saved not be forgiven? Then the advocate would be useless -- but He is not that.
How can I be cut off, since the passage in Romans 11 speaks of Gentiles as a group with the word "thou," you singular? And I am not a group, but a child of God. The Body of Christ is the group I am in; and the Body of Christ will never be cut off. The same chapter says that the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable. So how are you going to revoke anything, NewB?
"I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish."
Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.
Let anyone reading this who writes off the Savior, trying to make him a mere chance-giver, repent of denying the Savior. Trust Him as Savior instead of chance-giver.
"Do you not understand that the one sacrifice is to cleanses us from sins up to the point where we are remitted of these?
NewB, what is your proof that the one sacrifice cleanses from sin up to that point?
Since you have sinned plenty all your life, how will your sins be forgiven?
I see no evidence that you ever trusted Christ as Savior, as you think of him as just a chance-giver.
So how is a Christian going to be forgiven of sins after his initial salvation if Christ's sacrifice doesn't cover all sins?
"The Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all."
How can the Lord tell us that by one sacrifice he has perfected forever if the sacrifice only covers sins before conversion? Where does the Bible ever say such a thing?
Perfected forever is for those who are sanctified you have to be sanctified. We have to remain in Christ."
James 2 says that all who are in Christ remain in Christ.
So you claim that Christ's sacrifice does cover all future sins of some Christians, but only the sins of sanctified Christians?
The text says:
"14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. 15 And the Holy Spirit also beareth witness to us; . . . 29 of how much sorer punishment, think ye, shall he be judged worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant wherewith he was sanctified an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?"
The sanctified here are us, all of us Christians. And the sanctified ones who are perfected forever are the same as those who count the blood of the covenant wherewith they were sanctified an unholy thing.
So this cannot refer to some super dooper sanctified class of Christians, but all Christians are sanctified by the blood of the Lord Jesus.
And it is ridiculous to think that there are some Christians whose sins are not covered by Christ's blood after they are saved, but when they get "sanctified" then all of a sudden Christ's blood then does cover their future sins.
Do you believe that when we repented and was baptised for the remission of sins we were purged of our old sins received the Holy Spirit and given a new start in life free from sin to follow after Christ and if we live this life in fellowship with Christ his blood cleanses from sin, and if we sin we have an advocate with the Father.
Do you know the scriptures says you can be cut off...Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
"I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish."
Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.
Let anyone reading this who writes off the Savior, trying to make him a mere chance-giver, repent of denying the Savior. Trust Him as Savior instead of chance-giver.
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God's Word Says That If U R Saved, Then U R Saved!
If U R Saved, then U R Saved -- end of matter.
I goofed by referring to 2 John 2 as James -- slip of the keyboard.
2 John 2 asserts eternal security. If you are part of the Body of Christ (of us) then you stay in the Body of Christ. Persons who associate with Christians and then leave, show by their apostasy that they were never part of the Body of Christ.
Here is security:
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they all are not of us.
Those who are in the Church, Christ's Body, "of us," continue in that Body -- they don't leave.
Why not?
Because the Lord keeps them saved. He is the author & perfecter of their faith. He Who began a good work in you, will complete it. Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.
So once you are a "His people," an "of us," you continue in that group. Those who merely associate & leave are ain'ts and were never saints. It may require chastisement, but the child of God is ever a child of God. He cannot be unborn again.
If U R Saved, then U R Saved -- end of matter.
I goofed by referring to 2 John 2 as James -- slip of the keyboard.
2 John 2 asserts eternal security. If you are part of the Body of Christ (of us) then you stay in the Body of Christ. Persons who associate with Christians and then leave, show by their apostasy that they were never part of the Body of Christ.
Here is security:
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they all are not of us.
Those who are in the Church, Christ's Body, "of us," continue in that Body -- they don't leave.
Why not?
Because the Lord keeps them saved. He is the author & perfecter of their faith. He Who began a good work in you, will complete it. Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.
So once you are a "His people," an "of us," you continue in that group. Those who merely associate & leave are ain'ts and were never saints. It may require chastisement, but the child of God is ever a child of God. He cannot be unborn again.
NewB said:
"Do you not understand that the one sacrifice is to cleanses us from sins up to the point where we are remitted of these?
2 Peter 1:9
But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
Romans 3:25
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
1 John 2
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. ...
babble..
1 John 2
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. ...
"The Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all."
How can the Lord tell us that by one sacrifice he has perfected forever if the sacrifice only covers sins before conversion? Where does the Bible ever say such a thing?
A sin offering covers past sins, there is no offering for future sins
When one is remitted of sins he is made perfect and set apart unto good works,the gift of the HS is the power to become a son of God. We abide in Christ through obedience to his word and fulfilling the commandment of LOVE thus we are covered by his blood which cleansed us from sin.
Keyword remain
It is fellowship the with him.....His covers you ,you are not to be sinning but we do sin in ignorance and omission
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
Yes were all sanctified/ set apart for holy use ....
What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
Not all 'Christians' continue in Christ
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
You are a gentile and every group is made up of individuals the writing is clear...if you continue in his goodness...
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
God is not revoking anything...but men reject his call and refuse his gifts everyday....
look at the keywords
[SUP]27 [/SUP]My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.
keyword His people
babble
"Do you not understand that the one sacrifice is to cleanses us from sins up to the point where we are remitted of these?
NewB, what is your proof that the one sacrifice cleanses from sin up to that point?
But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
Romans 3:25
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Since you have sinned plenty all your life, how will your sins be forgiven?
1 John 2
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. ...
I see no evidence that you ever trusted Christ as Savior, as you think of him as just a chance-giver.
So how is a Christian going to be forgiven of sins after his initial salvation if Christ's sacrifice doesn't cover all sins?
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. ...
"The Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all."
How can the Lord tell us that by one sacrifice he has perfected forever if the sacrifice only covers sins before conversion? Where does the Bible ever say such a thing?
A sin offering covers past sins, there is no offering for future sins
When one is remitted of sins he is made perfect and set apart unto good works,the gift of the HS is the power to become a son of God. We abide in Christ through obedience to his word and fulfilling the commandment of LOVE thus we are covered by his blood which cleansed us from sin.
James 2 says that all who are in Christ remain in Christ.
So you claim that Christ's sacrifice does cover all future sins of Christians, but only the sins of sanctified Christians?
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
The text says:
"14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. 15 And the Holy Spirit also beareth witness to us; . . . 29 of how much sorer punishment, think ye, shall he be judged worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant wherewith he was sanctified an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?"
Yes were all sanctified/ set apart for holy use ....
What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
The sanctified here are us, all of us Christians. And the sanctified ones who are perfected forever are the same as those who count the blood of the covenant wherewith they were sanctified an unholy thing.
So this cannot refer to some super dooper sanctified class of Christians, but all Christians are sanctified by the blood of the Lord Jesus.
And it is ridiculous to think that there are some Christians whose sins are not covered by Christ's blood after they are saved, but when they get "sanctified" then all of a sudden Christ's blood then does cover their future sins.
Where does scripture say such a thing? It declares that if any Christian sins that Christian has an advocate with the Father. So how would his future sins after being saved not be forgiven? Then the advocate would be useless -- but He is not that.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
How can I be cut off, since the passage in Romans 11 speaks of Gentiles as a group with the word "thou," you singular? And I am not a group, but a child of God. The Body of Christ is the group I am in; and the Body of Christ will never be cut off. The same chapter says that the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable. So how are you going to revoke anything, NewB?
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
God is not revoking anything...but men reject his call and refuse his gifts everyday....
"I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish."
[SUP]27 [/SUP]My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.
Let anyone reading this who writes off the Savior, trying to make him a mere chance-giver, repent of denying the Savior. Trust Him as Savior instead of chance-giver.
P
No.. Actually there are many verses that do not support Once saved always saved.
1 Corinthians 9:27
Galatians 5:4
Galatians 5:19-21
James 4:4
2 Timothy 4:3-4
Luke 22:32
James 1:16
John 15:6
Matthew 7:19
Revelation 3:5
Scripture clearly shows that we can become a castaway and be blotted out of the book of life, and that we can err from the truth, if we continue not to abide in Jesus. If someone decides to turn away or reject Jesus, than they are not saved. God did not take away our free will when we got saved.
1 Corinthians 9:27
Galatians 5:4
Galatians 5:19-21
James 4:4
2 Timothy 4:3-4
Luke 22:32
James 1:16
John 15:6
Matthew 7:19
Revelation 3:5
Scripture clearly shows that we can become a castaway and be blotted out of the book of life, and that we can err from the truth, if we continue not to abide in Jesus. If someone decides to turn away or reject Jesus, than they are not saved. God did not take away our free will when we got saved.
What he were into heresy, denying salvation & posting lies on a Christian chat? What if he denied the gospel and was anathema for distorting & teaching a false gospel (Galatians 1)?
What if this, what if that, what if the other???
Here is what the word says:
"Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.
And it is as certain as the sky is blue that He will verily save His people from their sins.
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you SHALL be saved -- no ifs, ands, or buts. No what if this, what if that, what if the other.
If any reading the has denied the Savior & bad-mouthed Him as a mere chance-giver, repent, and trust Him now as SAvior.
What if this, what if that, what if the other???
Here is what the word says:
"Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.
And it is as certain as the sky is blue that He will verily save His people from their sins.
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you SHALL be saved -- no ifs, ands, or buts. No what if this, what if that, what if the other.
If any reading the has denied the Savior & bad-mouthed Him as a mere chance-giver, repent, and trust Him now as SAvior.
You keep espousing this salvation which is not any kind of salvation at all.
It is kind of like you are starving to death whilst holding a meal ticket and claiming you are not actually starving to death anymore because you received the meal ticket. "Oh I trust in the meal ticket, the meal ticket is not a chance giver therefore I do not need to eat."
You run around proclaiming you cannot lose your salvation from starvation because you have the meal ticket yet you refuse to eat. The salvation you believe in is purely intellectual and has no basis in actual reality.
You have clearly lost all capacity to reason.
I really don't understand why people are debating with Atwood within the framework of his error. The salvation he is defending is not salvation at all and therefore trying to convince him or anyone that you cannot lose it is pure vanity.
It is akin to attempting to trim the leaves on a tree which is being poisoned at the root. The root is what needs to be dealt with, not the leaves.
What we have here is oppositions of knowledge falsely so called. Both sides are wrong.
1Ti 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
1Ti 6:21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen. The first to Timothy was written from Laodicea, which is the chiefest city of Phrygia Pacatiana.
It is akin to attempting to trim the leaves on a tree which is being poisoned at the root. The root is what needs to be dealt with, not the leaves.
What we have here is oppositions of knowledge falsely so called. Both sides are wrong.
1Ti 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
1Ti 6:21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen. The first to Timothy was written from Laodicea, which is the chiefest city of Phrygia Pacatiana.
An adulterer has most certainly not been saved from adultery.
You keep espousing this salvation which is not any kind of salvation at all.
It is kind of like you are starving to death whilst holding a meal ticket and claiming you are not actually starving to death anymore because you received the meal ticket. "Oh I trust in the meal ticket, the meal ticket is not a chance giver therefore I do not need to eat."
You run around proclaiming you cannot lose your salvation from starvation because you have the meal ticket yet you refuse to eat. The salvation you believe in is purely intellectual and has no basis in actual reality.
You have clearly lost all capacity to reason.
You keep espousing this salvation which is not any kind of salvation at all.
It is kind of like you are starving to death whilst holding a meal ticket and claiming you are not actually starving to death anymore because you received the meal ticket. "Oh I trust in the meal ticket, the meal ticket is not a chance giver therefore I do not need to eat."
You run around proclaiming you cannot lose your salvation from starvation because you have the meal ticket yet you refuse to eat. The salvation you believe in is purely intellectual and has no basis in actual reality.
You have clearly lost all capacity to reason.
Thou shalt call His name Jesus,
for He shall save His people from their sins.
Jehovah redeems the soul of his servants;
And none of them who take refuge in him shall be condemned.
Ps 52
But as for me, I am like a green olive-tree in the house of God:
I trust in the lovingkindness of God for ever and ever.
I will give thee thanks for ever, because thou hast done it;
1 Thes 5 end:
"And the God of peace himself sanctify you wholly; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved entire, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Faithful is He Who calls you, Who will also do it.'
Col 3
When Christ, who is our life, shall be manifested, then you also with him shall be manifested in glory.
2 Thes 2:16
Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God our Father who loved us and gave us eternal comfort and good hope through grace,
End of Rom 8:
And we know that to them that love God all things work together for good, even to them that are called according to his purpose. For whom
he foreknew,
he also foreordained to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren: and whom
he foreordained, them
he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom
he justified, them
he also glorified.
31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? 3He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not also with him freely give us all things? Who shall lay anything to the charge of God’s elect? It is God that justifieth; who is he that condemneth? It is Christ Jesus that died, yea rather, that was raised from the dead, who is at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or anguish, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? Even as it is written,
For thy sake we are killed all the day long;
We were accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
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Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, unto an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
THE OVERCOMER
Revelation 3:5
The one who overcomes will be clothed thus in white garments, and I will never blot his name out of the book of life. I will confess his name before my Father… 1 John 5:4-5 For whatsoever is begotten of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith.
And who is he who overcomes the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.
And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of the throne saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he shall dwell with them, and they shall be his peoples, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God: and he shall wipe away every tear from their eyes; and death shall be no more; neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain, any more: the first things are passed away. And he that sitteth on the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he saith, Write: for these words are faithful and true. And he said unto me, They are come to pass. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He who overcomes shall inherit these things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. But for the fearful, and unbelieving, and abominable, and murderers, and fornicators, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, their part shall be in the lake that burneth with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.
2 Tim 4:18
The Lord will deliver me from every evil work, and will save me unto his heavenly kingdom;
Rm 6:23b
the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
John 6:37
All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.
John 10:28
I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.
John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
2 Corinthians 1:22
And who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.
Romans 11:29
For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
1 John 5:13
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.
Philippians 1:6
And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ.
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The Bread of Life Gives an Eternal Life (Security)
Rev 22:
17
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And he that heareth, let him say, Come. And he that is athirst, let him come: he that will, let him take the water of life freely.
35 Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall not hunger, and he that believeth on me shall never thirst. 36 But I said unto you, that ye have seen me, and yet believe not. 37 All that which the Father giveth me shall come unto me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
John 6:
47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth hath eternal life. 48I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. 50 This is the bread which cometh down out of heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
51 I am the living bread which came down out of heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live forever: yea and the bread which I will give is my flesh, for the life of the world.
35 Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life:
he who comes [now, present tense] to me
shall [future tense] not hunger, and
he who believes [present tense] on me
shall [future] never thirst.
36 But I said unto you, that ye have seen me, and yet believe not.
[Some just can't seem to trust the Savior, they lower Him to that of chance-giver, when He is the Savior promising eternal life]
37 All that which the Father gives me shall come to me; and him who comes to me I will in no wise cast out.
John 6
47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He who believes [present tense] has [present tense] eternal life [goes on into eternal future].
48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. 50 This is the bread which cometh down out of heaven, that a man may eat thereof and not die. 51 I am the living bread which came down out of heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live forever: yea and the bread which I will give is my flesh, for the life of the world.
Rev 22:
17
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And he that heareth, let him say, Come. And he that is athirst, let him come: he that will, let him take the water of life freely.
35 Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall not hunger, and he that believeth on me shall never thirst. 36 But I said unto you, that ye have seen me, and yet believe not. 37 All that which the Father giveth me shall come unto me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
John 6:
47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth hath eternal life. 48I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. 50 This is the bread which cometh down out of heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
51 I am the living bread which came down out of heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live forever: yea and the bread which I will give is my flesh, for the life of the world.
35 Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life:
he who comes [now, present tense] to me
shall [future tense] not hunger, and
he who believes [present tense] on me
shall [future] never thirst.
36 But I said unto you, that ye have seen me, and yet believe not.
[Some just can't seem to trust the Savior, they lower Him to that of chance-giver, when He is the Savior promising eternal life]
37 All that which the Father gives me shall come to me; and him who comes to me I will in no wise cast out.
John 6
47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He who believes [present tense] has [present tense] eternal life [goes on into eternal future].
48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. 50 This is the bread which cometh down out of heaven, that a man may eat thereof and not die. 51 I am the living bread which came down out of heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live forever: yea and the bread which I will give is my flesh, for the life of the world.
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Re: The Bread of Life Gives an Eternal Life (Security)
Still trying to convince yourself?
Rev 22:
17
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And he that heareth, let him say, Come. And he that is athirst, let him come: he that will, let him take the water of life freely.
35 Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall not hunger, and he that believeth on me shall never thirst. 36 But I said unto you, that ye have seen me, and yet believe not. 37 All that which the Father giveth me shall come unto me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
John 6:
47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth hath eternal life. 48I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. 50 This is the bread which cometh down out of heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
51 I am the living bread which came down out of heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live forever: yea and the bread which I will give is my flesh, for the life of the world.
35 Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life:
he who comes [now, present tense] to me
shall [future tense] not hunger, and
he who believes [present tense] on me
shall [future] never thirst.
36 But I said unto you, that ye have seen me, and yet believe not.
[Some just can't seem to trust the Savior, they lower Him to that of chance-giver, when He is the Savior promising eternal life]
37 All that which the Father gives me shall come to me; and him who comes to me I will in no wise cast out.
John 6
47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He who believes [present tense] has [present tense] eternal life [goes on into eternal future].
48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. 50 This is the bread which cometh down out of heaven, that a man may eat thereof and not die. 51 I am the living bread which came down out of heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live forever: yea and the bread which I will give is my flesh, for the life of the world.
17
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And he that heareth, let him say, Come. And he that is athirst, let him come: he that will, let him take the water of life freely.
35 Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall not hunger, and he that believeth on me shall never thirst. 36 But I said unto you, that ye have seen me, and yet believe not. 37 All that which the Father giveth me shall come unto me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
John 6:
47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth hath eternal life. 48I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. 50 This is the bread which cometh down out of heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
51 I am the living bread which came down out of heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live forever: yea and the bread which I will give is my flesh, for the life of the world.
35 Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life:
he who comes [now, present tense] to me
shall [future tense] not hunger, and
he who believes [present tense] on me
shall [future] never thirst.
36 But I said unto you, that ye have seen me, and yet believe not.
[Some just can't seem to trust the Savior, they lower Him to that of chance-giver, when He is the Savior promising eternal life]
37 All that which the Father gives me shall come to me; and him who comes to me I will in no wise cast out.
John 6
47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He who believes [present tense] has [present tense] eternal life [goes on into eternal future].
48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. 50 This is the bread which cometh down out of heaven, that a man may eat thereof and not die. 51 I am the living bread which came down out of heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live forever: yea and the bread which I will give is my flesh, for the life of the world.