Is YOUR church doctrinal statement ONE with SATAN?

[tourist]

Do you know that the CONFUSION God put on them was a curse? He confounded their language so that they couldn't understand one another. Do you see what i mean? God is not the AUTHOR of CONFUSION, he uses confusion as a punishment when people rebel against him.

Regardless whether it was a curse or not is not relevant to your claim that God is not the author of confusion when this passage clearly states that He is. Another example as stated by Jesus-


Matthew 13:10-15
And the disciples came and said to Him, “Why do You speak to them in parables?”

He answered and said to them, “Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he will have abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says:

‘Hearing you will hear and shall not understand,
And seeing you will see and not perceive; For the hearts of this people have grown dull.Their ears are hard of hearing,
And their eyes they have closed,
Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears,
Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn,
So that I should heal them.’

God is indeed the author of confusion but God is not confused Himself as everything He does is for the benefit of the children of God and ultimately for His glory. He desires us to diligently seek the Truth so that we may live by it. The closer we draw to the Lord the less confusion will exist in our lives.

 

[KJV1611]

Jesus promised the apostles, the leaders of his Church, that the Holy Spirit would guide them into all truth - not you.

Nor did Jesus promise anyone that in 1500 years time there would be a perfect English translation of the Bible.

The spirit that's telling you that all bibles contain error IS NOT the Holy Spirit. I'm not giving you MY OPINION to guide you into all truth, I'm telling you that God's word DOES NOT corrupt.

 

[KJV1611]

Regardless whether it was a curse or not is not relevant to your claim that God is not the author of confusion when this passage clearly states that He is. Another example as stated by Jesus-


Matthew 13:10-15
And the disciples came and said to Him, “Why do You speak to them in parables?”

He answered and said to them, “Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he will have abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says:

‘Hearing you will hear and shall not understand,
And seeing you will see and not perceive; For the hearts of this people have grown dull.Their ears are hard of hearing,
And their eyes they have closed,
Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears,
Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn,
So that I should heal them.’

God is indeed the author of confusion but God is not confused Himself as everything He does is for the benefit of the children of God and ultimately for His glory. He desires us to diligently seek the Truth so that we may live by it. The closer we draw to the Lord the less confusion will exist in our lives.

If Paul said it, would you believe him?

(1Co 14:33) For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Edit: Did you know that verse was in the bible?

 

[tourist]

If Paul said it, would you believe him?

(1Co 14:33) For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Edit: Did you know that verse was in the bible?

This seems to contradict the passage from Genesis. As I have previously stated about supposed contradictions and errors in the bible, when taken in context with the entire Word of God what may seem to be in contradiction or error these instances turn out not to be contradictions and errors at all.

Yes, I am indeed familar with the verse you provided.

If this was a competition between us I would rate this as a draw. As I also have stated many times in previous posts I would rather be happy than to be proved right at the expense of hurting someone.

Moving forward now. Let us go in peace.

 

[KJV1611]

This seems to contradict the passage from Genesis. As I have previously stated about supposed contradictions and errors in the bible, when taken in context with the entire Word of God what may seem to be in contradiction or error these instances turn out not to be contradictions and errors at all.

Yes, I am indeed familar with the verse you provided.

If this was a competition between us I would rate this as a draw. As I also have stated many times in previous posts I would rather be happy than to be proved right at the expense of hurting someone.

Moving forward now. Let us go in peace.

I'm not in a competition with you brother and I don't care who wins or loses arguments, I'm just trying to help people understand that they can believe every single word written in their bible.

 

[tourist]

I'm not in a competition with you brother and I don't care who wins or loses arguments, I'm just trying to help people understand that they can believe every single word written in their bible.

Yeah, I know that brother. You are doing a fine job too so keep up the good work.

 

[Dino246]

For such an intelligent person you say some of the dumbest things.

Your insults are noted.

Are you aware of The New Tyndale Version, or The Revised Tyndale Version, or The Teen Tyndale Version, or the Gender Neutral Tyndale version? No you're not because they were never 33 different antichrist bibles competing against the Tyndale version. People used what God gave them at that time, like the early church only read Paul's letter's because that's all they had until the bible was fully written.

The KJV was the very FIRST AUTHORIZED English bible, Tyndale and Coverdale were temporary until the KJV came. And you know this is true but you will argue over this til your blue in the face... I'm not going to argue over idiotic juvenile statements. Come back with an intelligent GODLY argument and we can continue.

The "authorization" was nothing more than an opinion, and carries no weight in this discussion. If you attribute more to it, that's fine for you, but it is utterly meaningless to me.

 

[Dino246]

When translations preach the New Age Christ instead of the KJV Christ, whether you have the discernment to tell the difference of not, then that New Age bible is not inspired by God... it's inspired but not by God.

So until you can understand that there is a New Age Christ, New Age gospel, and New Age bible, please refrain from conversations that your not qualified for.

More insults. I thought you were better than that. I guess "fruit of the Spirit" has been excised from your version of the Scriptures.

 

[Bede]

The spirit that's telling you that all bibles contain error IS NOT the Holy Spirit. I'm not giving you MY OPINION to guide you into all truth, I'm telling you that God's word DOES NOT corrupt.

But you are saying that God's word does corrupt because you claim all English translations except the KJV are corrupt.

 

[Bede]

I'm just trying to help people understand that they can believe every single word written in their bible.

Any Bible or just one particular one?

 

[KJV1611]

More insults. I thought you were better than that. I guess "fruit of the Spirit" has been excised from your version of the Scriptures.

I'm telling you something that you don't know because I care about you and all the other people are being deceived by false bibles. I wish you could understand but unfortunately, you can't imagine it even possible that I may know something that you don't.

 

[jaybo]

Humor me, what do you think being conformed to the image of Christ means? Where does your image of Christ come from. In other what are you looking at to make yourself be more Christ like?

I'm not going to continue this conversation. You obviously won't accept facts so what's the point.

I'm not going to answer questions about my personal beliefs. Why should I?

Repeat ... I generally have eggs for breakfast and they are always brown. The other day my wife brought home a dozen eggs that were white! I said to her that these can't be real eggs since they're not like the ones I have always eaten. No matter how hard she tried to convince me I knew, absolutely, that real eggs are brown. Different colored eggs can't be as real as the brown eggs I have always eaten.

What is the matter with KJVOs, yourself included? Every English Bible is a translation; every one has its purpose; and it's impossible for any translation to be perfect.

God told Eve that she and Adam could eat from any tree in the garden except the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Like KJVOs she let her own desire for knowledge of what is good and evil run away with her.

 

[KJV1611]

But you are saying that God's word does corrupt because you claim all English translations except the KJV are corrupt.

When bibles contradict each other they are not all the word of God. When the NIV calls the man in the fiery furnace "a son of the gods", do you think that came from inspiration of the Holy Spirit? When the NIV says that Jesus had an origin, did that come from the Holy Spirit?

Just because someone writes a book and slaps the name bible on it doesn't mean it really is a bible.

 

[KJV1611]

Any Bible or just one particular one?

The KJV.

 

[crossnote]

I assumed that these modern versions are your primary English versions in studying the scriptures and I am certain too that you are NOT one of the ‘liberals’. Well, let’s take them and let’s see if there are no margin of error from them. Please remember, am here for discussions and not debate.

Examples #1.
Acts 1:3 English Standard Version (ESV)
3 He presented himself alive to them after his suffering by many proofs, appearing to them during forty days and speaking about the kingdom of God.
Acts 1:3 New King James Version (NKJV)
3 to whom He also presented Himself alive after His suffering by many [a]infallible proofs, being seen by them during forty days and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God.
Acts 1:3 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
3 To [a]these He also presented Himself alive after His suffering, by many convincing proofs, appearing to them over a period of forty days and speaking of the things concerning the kingdom of God.
Acts 1:3 King James Version (KJV)
3 To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:
Well, isn’t the ESV choice of presentation of the text without the word ‘infallible’ as in the KJV and NKJV is already defective and deficient? The ESV here only assumes that proofs imply certainty. Not a kind of a ‘more sure word of prophecy’. Infallible proofs are the strongest proofs of which a subject is capable as John said in 1 John 1:1-2.

Example #2

Psalm 10:4-5 King James Version (KJV)
4 The wicked, through the pride of his countenance, will not seek after God: God is not in all his thoughts.
5 His ways are always grievous; thy judgments are far above out of his sight: as for all his enemies, he puffeth at them.

Psalm 10:4-5 English Standard Version (ESV)
4 In the pride of his face[a] the wicked does not seek him;[b]
all his thoughts are, “There is no God.”
5 His ways prosper at all times;
your judgments are on high, out of his sight;
as for all his foes, he puffs at them.

Psalm 10:4-5 New King James Version (NKJV)
4 The wicked in his proud countenance does not seek God;
[a]God is in none of his thoughts.
5 His ways [b]are always prospering;
Your judgments are far above, out of his sight;
As for all his enemies, he sneers at them.
Psalm 10:4-5 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
4 The wicked, in the haughtiness of his countenance, does not seek Him.
All his [a]thoughts are, “There is no God.”
5 His ways [b]prosper at all times;
Your judgments are on high, out of his sight;
As for all his adversaries, he snorts at them.

Hmm, “The wicked… appears to prosper at all times? Just don’t get it. In KJV, the ways of the wicked are always grievous and well that sounds good or that might be a 2 +2 = 5.

Your ‘certainty’ is 50% correct. I read equally from the KJV as the other three.
You don’t seem to understand, just because versions B and C are different from A doesn’t automatically make version A the gold standard.
BTW, the wicked often prosper although their end is always grievous.

 

[John146]

I'm not going to continue this conversation. You obviously won't accept facts so what's the point.

I'm not going to answer questions about my personal beliefs. Why should I?

Repeat ... I generally have eggs for breakfast and they are always brown. The other day my wife brought home a dozen eggs that were white! I said to her that these can't be real eggs since they're not like the ones I have always eaten. No matter how hard she tried to convince me I knew, absolutely, that real eggs are brown. Different colored eggs can't be as real as the brown eggs I have always eaten.

What is the matter with KJVOs, yourself included? Every English Bible is a translation; every one has its purpose; and it's impossible for any translation to be perfect.

God told Eve that she and Adam could eat from any tree in the garden except the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Like KJVOs she let her own desire for knowledge of what is good and evil run away with her.

You should stick with true organic, farm raised eggs that have not been altered (KJV). Those other eggs may look like real eggs, taste like real eggs, but in the end, their not good for you because they’ve been altered.😀

 

[KJV1611]

I'm not going to continue this conversation. You obviously won't accept facts so what's the point.

I'm not going to answer questions about my personal beliefs. Why should I?

Repeat ... I generally have eggs for breakfast and they are always brown. The other day my wife brought home a dozen eggs that were white! I said to her that these can't be real eggs since they're not like the ones I have always eaten. No matter how hard she tried to convince me I knew, absolutely, that real eggs are brown. Different colored eggs can't be as real as the brown eggs I have always eaten.

What is the matter with KJVOs, yourself included? Every English Bible is a translation; every one has its purpose; and it's impossible for any translation to be perfect.

God told Eve that she and Adam could eat from any tree in the garden except the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Like KJVOs she let her own desire for knowledge of what is good and evil run away with her.

I will never believe that God's word is corrupt and that I can't believe every word exactly as it's written. You may be that gullible but I'm not.

 

[jaybo]

The spirit that's telling you that all bibles contain error IS NOT the Holy Spirit. I'm not giving you MY OPINION to guide you into all truth, I'm telling you that God's word DOES NOT corrupt.

This makes absolutely no sense. You will never convince me of your narrow opinions about the fallible 1611 Authorized Version, the Holy Spirit, etc. May God open your eyes to reality and the truth.

 

[KJV1611]

This makes absolutely no sense. You will never convince me of your narrow opinions about the fallible 1611 Authorized Version, the Holy Spirit, etc. May God open your eyes to reality and the truth.

Where in the bible did you see that God's word can not be trusted 100%?

 

[KJV1611]

This makes absolutely no sense. You will never convince me of your narrow opinions about the fallible 1611 Authorized Version, the Holy Spirit, etc. May God open your eyes to reality and the truth.

Let's go a step further. If one bible calls Jesus a son of the gods and another bible calls him the son of God, the two "bibles" contradict one another. Where in the bible do you see that God's word contradicts itself?