Is YOUR church doctrinal statement ONE with SATAN?

[oldethennew]

it's good and right that we who can hear and see, believe every Word of God,
and not the words of mere men...
discernment is a very precious gift from our Saviour, savor it every day and pray
for wisdom to not only discern but apply it, daily -
our Spiritual Doctrine should be 'pure Scripture/Spirit', for all else will lead us through
the 'broad gate of destruction'...

 

[Dino246]

Tyndale never published a complete bible.

Instead of dodging the issue, how about facing it squarely? If "multiple translations are not consistent with God's character" then to be consistent you must use the first-available complete Bible in English, which according to Wikipedia is Coverdale's.

Now, are you going to have the integrity to switch versions, or not?

While you're pondering that question, please post the Scripture that states that multiple translations are not consistent with God's character.

 

[Dino246]

That's like saying God was capable of making men write out on paper exactly what he wanted written, but he isn't capable of doing that anymore. Is that not a ridiculous statement? What I can't figure out is where did you guys come up with the idea that it's even POSSIBLE for God's word to corrupt or go into disarray.

You guys have bought into a lie, that doctrine doesn't come from the bible. That doctrine came straight from men who crept in unawares and lied to people who wanted to be lied to. Now that false doctrine has taken full root in the "church".
People are never going to agree with any bible more than they agree with the bible they wrote.

In my opinion God is sick of it and he's about to fix the problem.

You're arguing out of both sides of your mouth. From one side you say that God's word can't be corrupted, and from the other you say that only one translation is inspired while the rest aren't.

That's inventive, but otherwise, it's absolute bollocks.

 

[tourist]

What does that have to with price of tea in China? Of course they all translations but one is translated with INSPIRATION. There is no way in the world that it can be said that KJV wasn’t inspired by someone. Someone purposely translated the same Greek words differently and added words to the original Greek.

The only question that anyone can have about inspiration is whether God inspired it or the devil inspired it.

I’m sure you’re an avid KJV reader and already witnessed these things yourself.

I believe that the Holy Spirit guided the translations and revisions of all the major versions of the bible and continues to do so in today's modern world.

 

[fredoheaven]

That's the language of 'liberal theologians' which I am certain you are NOT.
Can you show me proof that the NKJV, NASB, ESV are any less the word of God than the KJV?

I assumed that these modern versions are your primary English versions in studying the scriptures and I am certain too that you are NOT one of the ‘liberals’. Well, let’s take them and let’s see if there are no margin of error from them. Please remember, am here for discussions and not debate.

Examples #1.
Acts 1:3 English Standard Version (ESV)
3 He presented himself alive to them after his suffering by many proofs, appearing to them during forty days and speaking about the kingdom of God.
Acts 1:3 New King James Version (NKJV)
3 to whom He also presented Himself alive after His suffering by many [a]infallible proofs, being seen by them during forty days and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God.
Acts 1:3 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
3 To [a]these He also presented Himself alive after His suffering, by many convincing proofs, appearing to them over a period of forty days and speaking of the things concerning the kingdom of God.
Acts 1:3 King James Version (KJV)
3 To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:
Well, isn’t the ESV choice of presentation of the text without the word ‘infallible’ as in the KJV and NKJV is already defective and deficient? The ESV here only assumes that proofs imply certainty. Not a kind of a ‘more sure word of prophecy’. Infallible proofs are the strongest proofs of which a subject is capable as John said in 1 John 1:1-2.

Example #2

Psalm 10:4-5 King James Version (KJV)
4 The wicked, through the pride of his countenance, will not seek after God: God is not in all his thoughts.
5 His ways are always grievous; thy judgments are far above out of his sight: as for all his enemies, he puffeth at them.

Psalm 10:4-5 English Standard Version (ESV)
4 In the pride of his face[a] the wicked does not seek him;[b]
all his thoughts are, “There is no God.”
5 His ways prosper at all times;
your judgments are on high, out of his sight;
as for all his foes, he puffs at them.

Psalm 10:4-5 New King James Version (NKJV)
4 The wicked in his proud countenance does not seek God;
[a]God is in none of his thoughts.
5 His ways [b]are always prospering;
Your judgments are far above, out of his sight;
As for all his enemies, he sneers at them.
Psalm 10:4-5 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
4 The wicked, in the haughtiness of his countenance, does not seek Him.
All his [a]thoughts are, “There is no God.”
5 His ways [b]prosper at all times;
Your judgments are on high, out of his sight;
As for all his adversaries, he snorts at them.

Hmm, “The wicked… appears to prosper at all times? Just don’t get it. In KJV, the ways of the wicked are always grievous and well that sounds good or that might be a 2 +2 = 5.

 

[fredoheaven]

All translations have some bias towards the theology of the translators because they read it through the lens of their theology.

Not with the KJV, most of the translators were Calvinist but the KJV is no bias about Calvinism.

 

[KJV1611]

Instead of dodging the issue, how about facing it squarely? If "multiple translations are not consistent with God's character" then to be consistent you must use the first-available complete Bible in English, which according to Wikipedia is Coverdale's.

Now, are you going to have the integrity to switch versions, or not?

While you're pondering that question, please post the Scripture that states that multiple translations are not consistent with God's character.

For such an intelligent person you say some of the dumbest things.

Are you aware of The New Tyndale Version, or The Revised Tyndale Version, or The Teen Tyndale Version, or the Gender Neutral Tyndale version? No you're not because they were never 33 different antichrist bibles competing against the Tyndale version. People used what God gave them at that time, like the early church only read Paul's letter's because that's all they had until the bible was fully written.

The KJV was the very FIRST AUTHORIZED English bible, Tyndale and Coverdale were temporary until the KJV came. And you know this is true but you will argue over this til your blue in the face... I'm not going to argue over idiotic juvenile statements. Come back with an intelligent GODLY argument and we can continue.

 

[KJV1611]

You're arguing out of both sides of your mouth. From one side you say that God's word can't be corrupted, and from the other you say that only one translation is inspired while the rest aren't.

That's inventive, but otherwise, it's absolute bollocks.

When translations preach the New Age Christ instead of the KJV Christ, whether you have the discernment to tell the difference of not, then that New Age bible is not inspired by God... it's inspired but not by God.

So until you can understand that there is a New Age Christ, New Age gospel, and New Age bible, please refrain from conversations that your not qualified for.

 

[KJV1611]

I believe that the Holy Spirit guided the translations and revisions of all the major versions of the bible and continues to do so in today's modern world.

You don't know much about the bible then.

 

[garee]

That's like saying God was capable of making men write out on paper exactly what he wanted written, but he isn't capable of doing that anymore. Is that not a ridiculous statement? What I can't figure out is where did you guys come up with the idea that it's even POSSIBLE for God's word to corrupt or go into disarray.

You guys have bought into a lie, that doctrine doesn't come from the bible. That doctrine came straight from men who crept in unawares and lied to people who wanted to be lied to. Now that false doctrine has taken full root in the "church".
People are never going to agree with any bible more than they agree with the bible they wrote.

In my opinion God is sick of it and he's about to fix the problem.

I think he has been working on it . King James which I use mainly has errors .It is a translation (private interpretation) of the his translation, the non private interpretation like all others.

He informs us there must be heresies as differences of opinions so that we seek after his interpretation. We continue to come back and seek his approval . I think he is capable of doing more .But we have all that is necessary in the original.

No new revelations as duplicates .

 

[tourist]

You don't know much about the bible then.

Compared to who?

Are you saying that God has no control at all on how His word is presented?

Regarding the 1611 English King James bible, how does this version help those that don't speak English? Are you saying that a translation of this bible into another language is not comparable to the English translation and therefore is not a reliable source containing the Word of God? If so, in my estimation this would be biblically naive.

 

[KJV1611]

Compared to who?

Are you saying that God has no control at all on how His word is presented?

Regarding the 1611 English King James bible, how does this version help those that don't speak English? Are you saying that a translation of this bible into another language is not comparable to the English translation and therefore is not a reliable source containing the Word of God? If so, in my estimation this would be biblically naive.

Compared to nobody. One of the most basic premises of the bible is that God is not the author of confusion. When bibles say different things, that's confusion.

I never said the KJV is the only inerrant bible, I believe the KJV is the only English language inerrant bible. God translated his word into all languages but I only speak English so I can't vouch for other languages.

 

[Bede]

Did ya know that there was also a version they called the sinners Bible, because they left out not in the thou shalt not commit adultery, this reading thou shalt commit adultery.

Yes I had heard of that.

 

[Bede]

Compared to nobody. One of the most basic premises of the bible is that God is not the author of confusion. When bibles say different things, that's confusion.

I never said the KJV is the only inerrant bible, I believe the KJV is the only English language inerrant bible. God translated his word into all languages but I only speak English so I can't vouch for other languages.

There is no basis for that opinion.

 

[KJV1611]

I think he has been working on it . King James which I use mainly has errors .It is a translation (private interpretation) of the his translation, the non private interpretation like all others.

He informs us there must be heresies as differences of opinions so that we seek after his interpretation. We continue to come back and seek his approval . I think he is capable of doing more .But we have all that is necessary in the original.

No new revelations as duplicates .

You say the KJV is a private interpretation, how do you know that? How do you know that God didn't inspire them to spell Isaiah as Isaiah in some places and in other places Esaias in other places.

How do you know that God didn't have the KJV translators translate the same word, Holy Spirit 7 times and Holy Ghost 90 times? Do you think the KJV translators sat down and planned out those word counts that have meaning in scripture or did God do it?

Seriously, do you really think the KJV translators did that on purpose?

 

[KJV1611]

There is no basis for that opinion.

I guess only the Jews needed God's inerrant word. God must've figured a few errors here and there wouldn't hurt a thing for us because we have the Holy Spirit to guide us into ALL TRUTH. You're so blind that you can't even see that ALL TRUTH is the word of God.

 

[fredoheaven]

I think he has been working on it . King James which I use mainly has errors .It is a translation (private interpretation) of the his translation, the non private interpretation like all others.

He informs us there must be heresies as differences of opinions so that we seek after his interpretation. We continue to come back and seek his approval . I think he is capable of doing more .But we have all that is necessary in the original.

No new revelations as duplicates .

There is no such things as 'the originals" Original language, or autographs what? Private interpretation is a man made opinions.

 

[tourist]

Compared to nobody. One of the most basic premises of the bible is that God is not the author of confusion. When bibles say different things, that's confusion.

I never said the KJV is the only inerrant bible, I believe the KJV is the only English language inerrant bible. God translated his word into all languages but I only speak English so I can't vouch for other languages.

Perhaps God can vouch for the other languages, versions, and translations which is exactly the point that I was making. Regarding God being the author of confusion -

Genesis 11:5-7
But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower which the sons of men had built. And the Lord said, “Indeed the people are one and they all have one language, and this is what they begin to do; now nothing that they propose to do will be withheld from them. Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.”

This passage is a direct contradiction of your claim that God is not the author of confusion.

Perhaps you have over-estimated your own knowledge of the bible. I stand by my position that God is in complete control of how His word is presented in all of the major versions, revisions, and translations of the bible as guided by the Holy Spirit.

 

[KJV1611]

Perhaps God can vouch for the other languages, versions, and translations which is exactly the point that I was making. Regarding God being the author of confusion -

Genesis 11:5-7
But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower which the sons of men had built. And the Lord said, “Indeed the people are one and they all have one language, and this is what they begin to do; now nothing that they propose to do will be withheld from them. Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.”

This passage is a direct contradiction of your claim that God is not the author of confusion.

Perhaps you have over-estimated your own knowledge of the bible. I stand by my position that God is in complete control of how His word is presented in all of the major versions, revisions, and translations of the bible as guided by the Holy Spirit.

Do you know that the CONFUSION God put on them was a curse? He confounded their language so that they couldn't understand one another. Do you see what i mean? God is not the AUTHOR of CONFUSION, he uses confusion as a punishment when people rebel against him.

 

[Bede]

I guess only the Jews needed God's inerrant word. God must've figured a few errors here and there wouldn't hurt a thing for us because we have the Holy Spirit to guide us into ALL TRUTH. You're so blind that you can't even see that ALL TRUTH is the word of God.

Jesus promised the apostles, the leaders of his Church, that the Holy Spirit would guide them into all truth - not you.

Nor did Jesus promise anyone that in 1500 years time there would be a perfect English translation of the Bible.