Is there a difference between being saved and salvation, and the new covenant?

[Cameron143]

But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth:

Right. It was true of people 2000 years ago.

 

[Cameron143]

The Bible does not reveal these things. And, is Avodah service?

Read John 4 where Jesus was speaking with the Samaritan woman.

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

Read John 4 where Jesus was speaking with the Samaritan woman.

John 4:21 NASB20 - Jesus said to her, "Believe Me, woman, that a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem.

 

[Truthnightmare]

No.

Some people believe that he was an angel. I believe that he was a man.

Genesis 14:18 NASB20 - And Melchizedek the king of Salem brought out bread and wine; now he was a priest of God Most High.

I think there are a few things you have not considered… Let me ask you, did Abraham ever meet Jesus?

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

I think there are a few things you have not considered… Let me ask you, did Abraham ever meet Jesus?

No.

 

[Cameron143]

John 4:21 NASB20 - Jesus said to her, "Believe Me, woman, that a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem.

That's the passage. Read the whole thing.

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

That's the passage. Read the whole thing.

It is the verse where Jesus talks about worship.

 

[Truthnightmare]

No.

Then we have a problem friend….
John 8:56 "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day: and he saw it, and was glad."

Jesus is declaring he met Abraham, notice:

John 8:57 "Then said the Jews unto Him, "Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast Thou seen Abraham?"

 

[Cameron143]

It is the verse where Jesus talks about worship.

Verses 21-24 should suffice.

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

Then we have a problem friend….
John 8:56 "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day: and he saw it, and was glad."

Jesus is declaring he met Abraham, notice:

John 8:57 "Then said the Jews unto Him, "Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast Thou seen Abraham?"

Abraham saw into the future. Jesus never saw Abraham. He was not yet born.

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

Verses 21-24 should suffice.

John 4:21-24 NASB20 - Jesus said to her, "Believe Me, woman, that a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. "You [Samaritans] worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, because salvation is from the Jews. "But a time is coming, and even now has arrived, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks [to be] His worshipers. "God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."

 

[Cameron143]

John 4:21-24 NASB20 - Jesus said to her, "Believe Me, woman, that a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. "You [Samaritans] worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, because salvation is from the Jews. "But a time is coming, and even now has arrived, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks [to be] His worshipers. "God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."

So what conclusions can you draw?

 

[Truthnightmare]

Abraham saw into the future. Jesus never saw Abraham. He was not yet born.

Jesus existed before Mary.

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

So what conclusions can you draw?

I read and accept what I read. I don't try to make or build conclusions. What conclusions would you have liked me to draw?

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

Jesus existed before Mary.

No.

Matthew 1:16, 21, 25 NASB20 - Jacob fathered Joseph the husband of Mary, by whom Jesus was born, who is called the Messiah. ... "She will give birth to a Son; and you shall name Him Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins." ... but kept her a virgin until she gave birth to a Son; and he named Him Jesus.

John 8:58 NASB20 - Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am."

John 17:5 NASB95 - "Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

 

[Cameron143]

I read and accept what I read. I don't try to make or build conclusions. What conclusions would you have liked me to draw?

In light of the passage, what does it teach about worship?

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

In light of the passage, what does it teach about worship?

That we are to worship God.

 

[Cameron143]

That we are to worship God.

That's all?

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

That's all?

I don't have a problem with it.

 

[Truthnightmare]

No.

Matthew 1:16, 21, 25 NASB20 - Jacob fathered Joseph the husband of Mary, by whom Jesus was born, who is called the Messiah. ... "She will give birth to a Son; and you shall name Him Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins." ... but kept her a virgin until she gave birth to a Son; and he named Him Jesus.

John 8:58 NASB20 - Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am."

John 17:5 NASB95 - "Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

No.

Matthew 1:16, 21, 25 NASB20 - Jacob fathered Joseph the husband of Mary, by whom Jesus was born, who is called the Messiah. ... "She will give birth to a Son; and you shall name Him Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins." ... but kept her a virgin until she gave birth to a Son; and he named Him Jesus.

John 8:58 NASB20 - Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am."

John 17:5 NASB95 - "Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

Jacob fathered Joseph the husband of Mary, by whom Jesus was born,

Jesus was not born of Joseph.
Jesus is the beginning and the end…