Is the teaching of Jesus before His crucifixion only for Jews?

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The Kingdom that was offered to Israel by the disciples of Jesus was for Israel alone. Our Lord is soon rejected and He thus turns to His DISCIPLES. That is, some few teachings were for Israel, but the bulk of the gospels are for His DISCIPLES. Look at this example early in Matthew. Check the grammar in Matthew 5:1-2;

1 "And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:
2 And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,"


The rule of grammar is that the pronoun (them) is defined by the last mentioned subject. That would be "the disciples". The whole so-called Sermon on the Mount is directed at "His DISCIPLES". But within the discourse there are isolated things that pertain to Israel, for instance, the admonition that the Law would not pass until the New Earth is directed at Israel.

Thus, the bulk of the gospels are directed at THE CHURCH - the DISCIPLES.
How is the idea that the law will not pass away a abomination? Why not the whole word.. the wrath being revealed daily or under the Sun ?

I would be careful with the word disciple (student of the teacher). Like for instance the faithless disciples in John 6 walked away in unbelief . The bible say Jesus knew they were faithless before they walked away . That showed the father who has the power needed for others to believe was not drawing them .Having tasted of the good word of God and the powers of the world to come they denied its work.

The flesh of a outward Jew has nothing to so with salvation. God puts no difference between a Jew and a gentile Purifying the hearts of all men by a work of his faith or labor of His love. . working in the believers. Again the unseen power to both will and perform the good pleasure of His will.

Jewish brothers and sisters live in a corrupted body just as all of mankind. And not all is Israel is the bride of Christ. Just like not everyone that says they are Christian are born again Christians. God does the supporting and strengthening in us as two walking together. . And remember in Acts the father re-named the bride, "Christian", residents that make up the city of Christ. A more befitting name of a bride representing all nations. Named after her husband Christ the founder of the city.

The time of reformation It would seem to mark the time period spoken of in Revelation 20 . Satan the spirit of error could no longer deceive the whole world that God was a Jewish man . What was reveled was the unseen holy place of God to represent his hidden glory which will be exposed on the last day under the Sun .The end of time.

Revelation 20 :3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

It would appear he will be loosed for a short while at the end again to deceive the whole world that God is a Jewish man . Most likely when he silences or kills His two witnesses( Moses and Elias "sola scriptura") the gospel

Even Jesus in that same chapter (John 6) informs us it is the work of his unseen Spirit working in us that can quicken our soul and give us his understanding and power to believe in a God not seen Of his own corrupted flesh he says it does not profit . It aided in the demonstration of Him and the father but it was the unseen power that worked in Jesus that alone could profit.
 

John146

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you know, if only people like you that have a prejudicial interpretation of scripture wouldn't try to make themselves sound superior with all the little haha faces and the like. for example asking the op which tribe he belonged to

you think anyone wants to listen to someone who starts off making fun?
My intention was never to make fun. I asked the question to get the poster to think. If the book is addressed to the twelve tribes, then a natural question would be, am I part of the twelve tribes? And if so, which?
 

John146

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proof for that also please

it is actually just an interpretation that is not correct and points to misunderstood scripture

you told someone else to rightly divide the word but you have nothing to back up what you say

that is typical of people who have swallowed a wrong teaching and want to correct others when they are not even quite sure why they were taught what they post
Most of prophecy point to a future Jewish Messiah restoring the nation of Israel and being King on earth.
 

John146

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just the typical rhetoric with again, nothing to back it up

no scripture, just more sarcastic blah blah blah

I have seen sick people healed and demons cast out. perhaps you have no faith?
Matthew 10
7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
9 Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses,

Mark 16
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
 

John146

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There always has been one salvation plan. It started in gen 3
But only was it understood after the resurrection. So what were those before the cross trusting in? No one was looking forward to the cross since it was a mystery hidden. If they received eternal salvation, what did they believe in? Why weren't they present with the Lord in heaven upon death? Why the need for Abraham's bosom?
 
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I would word it different

No faith = no salvation = no new birth and new life and new power = being a heater and not a doer = no works
Yes it has to do with perspective. Some have logs that try and move specks. Some do murmur others do not. We should be careful how we hear .Everything that glitters is not gold, the measure of faith

Philippians 2:13-14 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.Do all things without murmurings and disputings:

As we are informed in the previous chapter if he has begun the good work he as a our total confidence he will finish it

Philippians1: 6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
 
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How is the idea that the law will not pass away a abomination? Why not the whole word.. the wrath being revealed daily or under the Sun ?

I would be careful with the word disciple (student of the teacher). Like for instance the faithless disciples in John 6 walked away in unbelief . The bible say Jesus knew they were faithless before they walked away . That showed the father who has the power needed for others to believe was not drawing them .Having tasted of the good word of God and the powers of the world to come they denied its work.

The flesh of a outward Jew has nothing to so with salvation. God puts no difference between a Jew and a gentile Purifying the hearts of all men by a work of his faith or labor of His love. . working in the believers. Again the unseen power to both will and perform the good pleasure of His will.

Jewish brothers and sisters live in a corrupted body just as all of mankind. And not all is Israel is the bride of Christ. Just like not everyone that says they are Christian are born again Christians. God does the supporting and strengthening in us as two walking together. . And remember in Acts the father re-named the bride, "Christian", residents that make up the city of Christ. A more befitting name of a bride representing all nations. Named after her husband Christ the founder of the city.

The time of reformation It would seem to mark the time period spoken of in Revelation 20 . Satan the spirit of error could no longer deceive the whole world that God was a Jewish man . What was reveled was the unseen holy place of God to represent his hidden glory which will be exposed on the last day under the Sun .The end of time.

Revelation 20 :3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

It would appear he will be loosed for a short while at the end again to deceive the whole world that God is a Jewish man . Most likely when he silences or kills His two witnesses( Moses and Elias "sola scriptura") the gospel

Even Jesus in that same chapter (John 6) informs us it is the work of his unseen Spirit working in us that can quicken our soul and give us his understanding and power to believe in a God not seen Of his own corrupted flesh he says it does not profit . It aided in the demonstration of Him and the father but it was the unseen power that worked in Jesus that alone could profit.
Brother, please forgive me. I cannot understand your first sentence. I'll have to pass on a reply. Please excuse me.

As to the rest, I don't believe that I addressed any one of the points you commented on. So while I have read and noted your opinions, I cannot really reply. But thanks for the reply anyway. Just by the way, if Moses was one of the Two Witnesses of Revelation then we have a problem. Hebrews 9:27 says a man can only die once. Moses would die twice. That would contradict scripture. We can't have that can we?

Go well and God bless.
 
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Brother, please forgive me. I cannot understand your first sentence. I'll have to pass on a reply. Please excuse me.

As to the rest, I don't believe that I addressed any one of the points you commented on. So while I have read and noted your opinions, I cannot really reply. But thanks for the reply anyway. Just by the way, if Moses was one of the Two Witnesses of Revelation then we have a problem. Hebrews 9:27 says a man can only die once. Moses would die twice. That would contradict scripture. We can't have that can we?

Go well and God bless.
You worded it a abomination .I was asking why or how and to who is it a abomination ?

Moses and Elias, the representatives of law (death) and the prophets (new life) are the two witnesses that make the one witness of God spoken of. Together they make "sola scriptura". The final authroity in matters of faith .The unseen things of God. .. hid in the parables.

The gospel as it is written will be silenced or killed for a short period. Not flesh and blood the witness of men. (What the eyes see.)

2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight )

Moses and Elias are dead . There earthen bodies have return to the dust. The working of sin in a corrupted body. The first death

They will not rise and receive their propmised incorruptible bodies until all do. All in the twinkling of the eye.
 

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Who has done this? I think this is what Jesus wanted to show. According to the law they were correct

But as we know no one has done this. So even this is written to us all
Do you believe hate God and hate other still go to heaven as long as you have faith?

25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”

27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’[a]; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’

28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”
 
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Do you believe hate God and hate other still go to heaven as long as you have faith?

25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”

27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’[a]; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’

28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”
Did he do that? Has anyone done that?

or was Jesus trying to use the law to show him how he failed so he would be led to Jesus.
 
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My intention was never to make fun. I asked the question to get the poster to think. If the book is addressed to the twelve tribes, then a natural question would be, am I part of the twelve tribes? And if so, which?
so the laughing face is what? exuberant joy?

and asking someone what tribe they belong to because they do not believe James is only for Jewish people isn't in jest?

obviously the op does not think he is Jewish. really sad to make up that excuse
 
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Matthew 10
7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
9 Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses,

Mark 16
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

and? what about it?
 

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and asking someone what tribe they belong to because they do not believe James is only for Jewish people isn't in jest?
This is just more spiritual nonsense about the book of James. And since Hebrews is addressed to Hebrew Christians, we should all simply ignore it (according to this fallacious reasoning).
 
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This is just more spiritual nonsense about the book of James. And since Hebrews is addressed to Hebrew Christians, we should all simply ignore it (according to this fallacious reasoning).
well I said ignore it back on page one, knowing full well that would not happen

I have actually seen him post this same thing in other threads of like nature

my name (real name) is in the Bible and a woman of good repute. :giggle: so I guess things are written about me and not to me :ROFL:

the whole thing is ridiculous
 

Jackson123

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Did he do that? Has anyone done that?

or was Jesus trying to use the law to show him how he failed so he would be led to Jesus.
Is that mean you believe that you have to love God and neighbor to be save?

What do you mean by law?

Is love God and love neighbor a law and you believe we don't need to love God because if we do than we save by doing the law?
 

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But "start from Jerusalem" doesn't? (Luke 24:47)

Who decides which of Jesus's commands regarding the Great Commission apply and which don't?
You are just playing games. You can clearly see that when Paul tells Timothy to bring him something. Its not to you

How oh how? are you supposed to know that part of the Pauline epistles doesn't apply to you? How do you now drink a little wine for your stomach's sake isnt to you? Or is it? Its written to Timothy. Who knows?

You are just playing games, playing dumb, or just repeating some false teaching you heard from somewhere. This sounds like Gene Kim kind of teaching.
 

John146

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This is just more spiritual nonsense about the book of James. And since Hebrews is addressed to Hebrew Christians, we should all simply ignore it (according to this fallacious reasoning).
Actually, Hebrews is addressed to the Jews living in the last days before the return of Christ. ;)
 

Jackson123

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Actually, Hebrews is addressed to the Jews living in the last days before the return of Christ. ;)
What do you mean by last day, are you consider when this letter wrote as last day?
Do you believe this letter not apply for us?