Is the teaching of Jesus before His crucifixion only for Jews?
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The Kingdom that was offered to Israel by the disciples of Jesus was for Israel alone. Our Lord is soon rejected and He thus turns to His DISCIPLES. That is, some few teachings were for Israel, but the bulk of the gospels are for His DISCIPLES. Look at this example early in Matthew. Check the grammar in Matthew 5:1-2;
1 "And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:
2 And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,"
The rule of grammar is that the pronoun (them) is defined by the last mentioned subject. That would be "the disciples". The whole so-called Sermon on the Mount is directed at "His DISCIPLES". But within the discourse there are isolated things that pertain to Israel, for instance, the admonition that the Law would not pass until the New Earth is directed at Israel.
Thus, the bulk of the gospels are directed at THE CHURCH - the DISCIPLES.
1 "And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:
2 And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,"
The rule of grammar is that the pronoun (them) is defined by the last mentioned subject. That would be "the disciples". The whole so-called Sermon on the Mount is directed at "His DISCIPLES". But within the discourse there are isolated things that pertain to Israel, for instance, the admonition that the Law would not pass until the New Earth is directed at Israel.
Thus, the bulk of the gospels are directed at THE CHURCH - the DISCIPLES.
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How about this verse, for us or for Jews only
Luke 0
25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”
27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’[a]; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’”
28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”
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Luke 0
25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”
27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’[a]; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’”
28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”
Read full chapter
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well obviously some things are only for the ones being addressed, like the Pharisees, but we can still learn from it, as in do not be a hypocrite
I have heard the nonsense before that whatever Jesus said before His crucifixion does not apply to us and that includes the Lord's prayer which is an example of how we can pray
so my view on this, is that the devil never gets tired of trying to deceive people because they keep falling for his lies
James is a great book and for every believer
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Luke 10
25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”
27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’[a]; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’”
28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”
Read full chapter
Jame 2
14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them?
25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”
27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’[a]; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’”
28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”
Read full chapter
Jame 2
14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them?
I agree
There was a person say this verse is only for Israel
James 2
14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them?
I know this verse look like against the teaching salvation not by work, but how people say to have faith but don't have love( murder, robing etc)
There was a person say this verse is only for Israel
James 2
14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them?
I know this verse look like against the teaching salvation not by work, but how people say to have faith but don't have love( murder, robing etc)
The book of James is for all Christians -- the Church. Just like the book of Hebrews, it is addressed to Hebrew Christians, but the teachings are for all believers. The same with the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth. Only a very few instructions were given to Jews regarding the Law of Moses. The rest was for all the world, and particularly all Christians. The Gospel of John is universal.
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oh right. heard that before also
some people seem to think if you mention works, you are trying to work for your salvation, but what James is looking for here, is the reality of faith changing lives
actually, we are created for good works so what people who are allergic to the word 'works' do with that scripture is twist it or ignore it I guess because they do not understand what is being said
4But because of His great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in our trespasses. It is by grace you have been saved! 6And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with Him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, 7in order that in the coming ages He might display the surpassing riches of His grace, demonstrated by His kindness to us in Christ Jesus.
8For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9not by works, so that no one can boast. 10For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance as our way of life. Ephesians 2
we see plainly in the portion from Ephesians above, that works do not save but then we also see that the kind of works that please God are the ones He actually has prepared for us to do
I don't think I have ever seen a thread about what those 'works' are in the forum, but we sure have plenty of threads about how nothing but faith saves, but it seems James is actually seeing if your faith is genuine, you will fulfill what it is you have been created to do
here is a decent interpretation, IMO, of what the 'good works' actually are:
The Greek original reads more literally, "which God prepared in advance, so that we might walk in them." The language of walking was used by teachers in the time of Paul in the way we might talk of living or engaging in a certain lifestyle. In other words, the good works of verse 10 are not obviously religious activities scattered throughout an otherwise secular life. Rather, the good works encompass the whole of the Christian, all that we do by God's grace for God's purposes. from this site down the page a little
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ridiculous
have you something intelligent to say or do you just prefer childish sarcastic comments?
I hope no one engages you because the conversation was pretty decent prior to you dropping in cause you are bored or something
I am only trying to suggest that your post is ignored as it should be but sadly and too often a good thread get totally derailed because of the type of post you created
have you something intelligent to say or do you just prefer childish sarcastic comments?
I hope no one engages you because the conversation was pretty decent prior to you dropping in cause you are bored or something
I am only trying to suggest that your post is ignored as it should be but sadly and too often a good thread get totally derailed because of the type of post you created
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Which church in Corinth do you belong to?
The Torah is all about the Jews, and its for US as well, according to Paul:
2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,
Romans 15:4
For everything that was written in the past was written for our instruction, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures, we might have hope.
The Torah is all about the Jews, and its for US as well, according to Paul:
2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,
Romans 15:4
For everything that was written in the past was written for our instruction, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures, we might have hope.
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You are right Jackson, and this type of teaching is the reason the Church is in the mess that its in today. We cant even tell the world and the church apart, its one and the same. They watch the same filth, listen to the same music, go to the same concerts, go to the same pubs, the only difference is that one of them says I believe in Jesus and no one is perfect.
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