Is the teaching of Jesus before His crucifixion only for Jews?

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What do you mean the 11 not preach Jesus die for Israel? Jesus die for all whosoever believe.
The 11 preach what the gospel.
there is a difference between preaching
  • In wickedness, you have killed your Messiah but God raised him from the dead as a sign that he is truly the Son of God, so repent of that wicked deed and be water baptized, and you will be saved from your sins in the future. (Acts 2:36 Acts 3:14-21 Acts 5:30 Acts 7:52 )
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  • Christ has died for your sins and rose again on the 3rd day for your justification. (1 Cor 15:1-4)
Another example is Phillip, Acts 8:37 tells you what he was preaching to the eunuch

“If you believe with all your heart, you may.” The eunuch answered, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”

which is the first bullet point.

Note he did not say, I believe Jesus died for my sins and rose again on the 3rd day for my justification.
 

Jackson123

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there is a difference between preaching
  • In wickedness, you have killed your Messiah but God raised him from the dead as a sign that he is truly the Son of God, so repent of that wicked deed and be water baptized, and you will be saved from your sins in the future. (Acts 2:36 Acts 3:14-21 Acts 5:30 Acts 7:52 )
versus
  • Christ has died for your sins and rose again on the 3rd day for your justification. (1 Cor 15:1-4)
Another example is Phillip, Acts 8:37 tells you what he was preaching to the eunuch

“If you believe with all your heart, you may.” The eunuch answered, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”

which is the first bullet point.

Note he did not say, I believe Jesus died for my sins and rose again on the 3rd day for my justification.
Both are preaching, inform people how to save by believing and accepting jesus
 

Jackson123

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In the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus for sins. That’s the only message that can save.
John 3:16 answer how to save

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
 

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So you are saying Abraham needed to show his faith in God by the work of sacrificing his son. Is that the correct interpretation of your view?
Abraham was called to leave his homeland and go out trusting God would lead him to the land of promise his entire relationship was of faith he always obeyed whatGod said to do and that’s what faith is.

if God told you to leave your home and he would lead you to a better home amd
Bless the whole world through you and you then believed God the action is automatic you would pack and go out like Abraham did that is faith he believed and so he acted in that faith and received honor
Its not about whether I accept your answer. Even if I disagree, I am curious to know what you regard as the gospel that saves today.

It is fine if you don't wish to share though.
I have answered you several times there’s only 1 gospel it was preached after Jesus was anointed at his baptism . The gospel IS what he preached , the miracles he did , the 4 accounts of Jesus life ministry , power and authority , and also his suffering and death for sin , his resurrection and his ascension to the throne at Gods right hand .....and all of the promises he made to his followers about eternal life in his kingdom that’s the gospel .

I understand tour thinking “ death for sin resurrection “ that’s the gospel it’s not the whole gospel the whole gospel is recorded fully in your bible the books of
Matthew mark like and John that’s the four accounts of the gospel .

I’m not sure how your not understanding what I’m saying the gospel is all about Jesus there’s four accounts of the gospel the epistles of the apostles are a witness to the truth of the gospel they are not different they are revelation to help understand the gospel

there’s one gospel only from God it is Jesus life , ministry teachings miracles , everything we can learn of Jesus were learning of God how he is what he wants from us what his promises are

the cross and empty tomb are a part of it for sure important part it doesn’t change what the gospel is though I hope you now understand what I believe the gospel is : the message of salvation jesusnsemt out from jesrisalem to all the people who will believe
 

Apostol2013

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The Kingdom that was offered to Israel by the disciples of Jesus was for Israel alone. Our Lord is soon rejected and He thus turns to His DISCIPLES. That is, some few teachings were for Israel, but the bulk of the gospels are for His DISCIPLES. Look at this example early in Matthew. Check the grammar in Matthew 5:1-2;

1 "And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:
2 And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,"


The rule of grammar is that the pronoun (them) is defined by the last mentioned subject. That would be "the disciples". The whole so-called Sermon on the Mount is directed at "His DISCIPLES". But within the discourse there are isolated things that pertain to Israel, for instance, the admonition that the Law would not pass until the New Earth is directed at Israel.

Thus, the bulk of the gospels are directed at THE CHURCH - the DISCIPLES.
Too quick to make this judgement Israel and the gentiles were also added it is for the entire congregation (what you refer to as church)in the beginning the gentiles used to come to the synagogue in fact Jews and christians we're almost indistinguishable it was hard to tell the difference and it wasn't till the destruction of the temple at jerusalem during the revolt where it began to become dispersed but constantine also help add to the already discencion in the council of nicea basically barring the Jewish presence from within the chand eventually hijacki
 

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Too quick to make this judgement Israel and the gentiles were also added it is for the entire congregation (what you refer to as church)in the beginning the gentiles used to come to the synagogue in fact Jews and christians we're almost indistinguishable it was hard to tell the difference and it wasn't till the destruction of the temple at jerusalem during the revolt where it began to become dispersed but constantine also help add to the already discencion in the council of nicea basically barring the Jewish presence from within the chand eventually hijacki
Eventually only to hijack the Gospel that changed the entire view of the gospel for many years till the reformers
 
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Abraham was called to leave his homeland and go out trusting God would lead him to the land of promise his entire relationship was of faith he always obeyed whatGod said to do and that’s what faith is.

if God told you to leave your home and he would lead you to a better home amd
Bless the whole world through you and you then believed God the action is automatic you would pack and go out like Abraham did that is faith he believed and so he acted in that faith and received honor


I have answered you several times there’s only 1 gospel it was preached after Jesus was anointed at his baptism . The gospel IS what he preached , the miracles he did , the 4 accounts of Jesus life ministry , power and authority , and also his suffering and death for sin , his resurrection and his ascension to the throne at Gods right hand .....and all of the promises he made to his followers about eternal life in his kingdom that’s the gospel .

I understand tour thinking “ death for sin resurrection “ that’s the gospel it’s not the whole gospel the whole gospel is recorded fully in your bible the books of
Matthew mark like and John that’s the four accounts of the gospel .

I’m not sure how your not understanding what I’m saying the gospel is all about Jesus there’s four accounts of the gospel the epistles of the apostles are a witness to the truth of the gospel they are not different they are revelation to help understand the gospel

there’s one gospel only from God it is Jesus life , ministry teachings miracles , everything we can learn of Jesus were learning of God how he is what he wants from us what his promises are

the cross and empty tomb are a part of it for sure important part it doesn’t change what the gospel is though I hope you now understand what I believe the gospel is : the message of salvation jesusnsemt out from jesrisalem to all the people who will believe
So to sum up your view, it’s faith plus works that will save under what you believe as the gospel?
 
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Too quick to make this judgement Israel and the gentiles were also added it is for the entire congregation (what you refer to as church)in the beginning the gentiles used to come to the synagogue in fact Jews and christians we're almost indistinguishable it was hard to tell the difference and it wasn't till the destruction of the temple at jerusalem during the revolt where it began to become dispersed but constantine also help add to the already discencion in the council of nicea basically barring the Jewish presence from within the chand eventually hijacki
You must be joking.

Acts 21
28 Crying out, Men of Israel, help: This is the man, that teacheth all men every where against the people, and the law, and this place: and further brought Greeks also into the temple, and hath polluted this holy place.

29 (For they had seen before with him in the city Trophimus an Ephesian, whom they supposed that Paul had brought into the temple.)
 

Pilgrimshope

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Why are you avoiding what I’m saying ?

I suppose you’ll accept “Paul’s “ gospel this is actually the kind of thing paul taught everyone is pauls teaching in a letter to the church


“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.”

‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭2:8-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬



“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;



Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.



These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.”

‭‭Titus‬ ‭2:11-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬



"This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.”

‭‭Titus‬ ‭3:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”

‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:7-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

"Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.

But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them. ...

Ephesians‬ ‭5:1-10, 13-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Or I can spend my time arguing the first verse erases all he’s actually teaching the church faith is to move because you believe Gods promise like Abraham did like Noah did they believed and so they moved that is faith
 

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John 3:16 answer how to save

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
John 3:16 is not the gospel. It does not contain the d,b,r for sins. We read it into John 3:16 because we have the knowledge of Paul’s letters.
 

Apostol2013

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You must be joking.

Acts 21
28 Crying out, Men of Israel, help: This is the man, that teacheth all men every where against the people, and the law, and this place: and further brought Greeks also into the temple, and hath polluted this holy place.

29 (For they had seen before with him in the city Trophimus an Ephesian, whom they supposed that Paul had brought into the temple.)
I am not joking and the history books it is noted and such places like Rome were the Jews and the gentiles were together because of the apostles mission that's just more evidence that they came to the synagogues to meet on Sabbath thank you for that acts chapter 15 verse 20 during that time there was a issue and they were given the few rules and that's why the majority that wore in charge meaning the Pharisees had made it a big issue by then after the falling away of Jerusalem there was a scattering don't get upset at me learn history..
 

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It to me it seems that most of you are unlearned, but that's okay that's the whole purpose of why you're here not to argue on who knows more but to be constructive and learn truth.
 
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I am not joking and the history books it is noted and such places like Rome were the Jews and the gentiles were together because of the apostles mission that's just more evidence that they came to the synagogues to meet on Sabbath thank you for that acts chapter 15 verse 20 during that time there was a issue and they were given the few rules and that's why the majority that wore in charge meaning the Pharisees had made it a big issue by then after the falling away of Jerusalem there was a scattering don't get upset at me learn history..
Acts 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

Acts 11And when Peter was come up to Jerusalem, they that were of the circumcision contended with him,
3 Saying, Thou wentest in to men uncircumcised, and didst eat with them.

Do you really think its possible that "the Jews and the gentiles were together", during early Acts, or is that a figment of your imagination?
 

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John 3:16 is not the gospel. It does not contain the d,b,r for sins. We read it into John 3:16 because we have the knowledge of Paul’s letters.
John 3:16 is the Word of Jesus Himself. You don't believe that simple message? That is from Jesus.
 

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John 3:16 is the Word of Jesus Himself. You don't believe that simple message? That is from Jesus.
Believe Jesus for what? Oh yeah, that He died on the cross for our sins, was buried and rose again the third day.
 

Jackson123

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Believe Jesus for what? Oh yeah, that He died on the cross for our sins, was buried and rose again the third day.
Believe His teaching.
The main teaching of Jesus is love
Matt 22
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38 This is the first and great commandment.

39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
 

John146

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Believe His teaching.
The main teaching of Jesus is love
Matt 22
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38 This is the first and great commandment.

39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
So, if I believe Jesus is love I can be saved? Even if I have no knowledge of His d,b,r for sins?
 

Jackson123

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So, if I believe Jesus is love I can be saved? Even if I have no knowledge of His d,b,r for sins?
When you love Jesus, you will learn about a Him and eventually you will know about d,b,r

But if you believe d,b,r but you font love Him, you are not save

Faith without is dead