Is Michael Another Name For Jesus?
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Since Jesus (the Son) is identified as "ומלאך" (Mal. 3:1 HOT), "ἄγγελος" (Mal. 3:1 so called LXX), and in Hebrews 1:1-3, the Son is identified as He whom God "Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son" (Hebrews 1:2), which means the Son is indeed the great Messenger from the Father to us. The Son is the uncreated and eternal "ומלאך" (Mal. 3:1 HOT), "ἄγγελος" (Mal. 3:1 so called LXX). The Person/Being of the Son is Deity, as He has the very nature as derived of the Person/Being of the Father, being the "express image" ("χαρακτηρ", G5481).
Hebrews 1:4-7, refers to created "αγγελων" (vs 4,5), "αγγελοι" (vs 6), "αγγελους" (vs 7), "αγγελων" (vs 13), as Hebrews 1:7 (citing Psalms 104:4, "עשׂה", "'asah", H6213) says, "maketh" ("ποιων", G4160).
This is why Hebrews 1:9 shows that the uncreated and eternal Son (vs 2-3) and the other heavenly beings (vs. 4-7), which are created, are "fellows" ("μετοχους"; G3353). They all, Son and other beings, are all "angels" (messengers) for the Father.
Hebrews 1:4-7, refers to created "αγγελων" (vs 4,5), "αγγελοι" (vs 6), "αγγελους" (vs 7), "αγγελων" (vs 13), as Hebrews 1:7 (citing Psalms 104:4, "עשׂה", "'asah", H6213) says, "maketh" ("ποιων", G4160).
This is why Hebrews 1:9 shows that the uncreated and eternal Son (vs 2-3) and the other heavenly beings (vs. 4-7), which are created, are "fellows" ("μετοχους"; G3353). They all, Son and other beings, are all "angels" (messengers) for the Father.
The Son is not an angel or a ministering spirit. Jesus is the Lord of heaven and earth.
Hebrews 2:5-8
For He did not subject to angels the world to come, about which we are speaking.
But someone has testified somewhere, saying,
“What is man, that You think of him?
Or a son of man, that You are concerned about him?
You have made him for a little while lower than angels;
You have crowned him with glory and honor;
You have put everything in subjection under his feet.
For in subjecting all things to him, He left nothing that is not subject to him.
The creation and all things in heaven, have been subjected to the Lord of all, Jesus Christ!
Hebrews 2:5-8
For He did not subject to angels the world to come, about which we are speaking.
But someone has testified somewhere, saying,
“What is man, that You think of him?
Or a son of man, that You are concerned about him?
You have made him for a little while lower than angels;
You have crowned him with glory and honor;
You have put everything in subjection under his feet.
For in subjecting all things to him, He left nothing that is not subject to him.
The creation and all things in heaven, have been subjected to the Lord of all, Jesus Christ!
John 3:35
The Father loves the Son and has entrusted all things to His hand.
John 13:3
Jesus, knowing that the Father had handed all things over to Him, and that He had come forth from God and was going back to God.
The Son is not an angel or a ministering spirit. Jesus is the Lord of heaven and earth.
Hebrews 2:5-8
For He did not subject to angels the world to come, about which we are speaking.
But someone has testified somewhere, saying,
“What is man, that You think of him?
Or a son of man, that You are concerned about him?
You have made him for a little while lower than angels;
You have crowned him with glory and honor;
You have put everything in subjection under his feet.
For in subjecting all things to him, He left nothing that is not subject to him.
The creation and all things in heaven, have been subjected to the Lord of all, Jesus Christ!
Jesus was YHWH, make no mistake about that.
The Father loves the Son and has entrusted all things to His hand.
John 13:3
Jesus, knowing that the Father had handed all things over to Him, and that He had come forth from God and was going back to God.
The Son is not an angel or a ministering spirit. Jesus is the Lord of heaven and earth.
Hebrews 2:5-8
For He did not subject to angels the world to come, about which we are speaking.
But someone has testified somewhere, saying,
“What is man, that You think of him?
Or a son of man, that You are concerned about him?
You have made him for a little while lower than angels;
You have crowned him with glory and honor;
You have put everything in subjection under his feet.
For in subjecting all things to him, He left nothing that is not subject to him.
The creation and all things in heaven, have been subjected to the Lord of all, Jesus Christ!
Jesus was YHWH, make no mistake about that.
Since everything you post is "copied" and "pasted" because you can't come up with an original thought of your own I have a question regarding you quoting Malachi 3:1 and pasting this last sentence.
"They all, Son and other beings, are all "angels" (messengers) for the Father.[/QUOTE]"
The part I'm quoting says the following: "And the Lord whom you seek, will suddenly come to His temple; and the messenger of the covenant, in whom you delight, behold He is coming, says the Lord of hosts."
So tell us all here, is the Lord who we will delight in and is coming Michael the arc angel? Furthermore, the next verse 2 says, "But who can endure the day of His coming? And who can stand when He appears? Do you still insist this is Michael the arc angel? Then at vs5, is this Michael as well, "Then I will draw near to you for judgment etc. says the Lord of hosts."
Yea, this must be Michael huh advantages. Btw, advantages is spelled with an "a' not an "e".
IN THE ANGEL OF THE LORD,
bluto
"They all, Son and other beings, are all "angels" (messengers) for the Father.[/QUOTE]"
The part I'm quoting says the following: "And the Lord whom you seek, will suddenly come to His temple; and the messenger of the covenant, in whom you delight, behold He is coming, says the Lord of hosts."
So tell us all here, is the Lord who we will delight in and is coming Michael the arc angel? Furthermore, the next verse 2 says, "But who can endure the day of His coming? And who can stand when He appears? Do you still insist this is Michael the arc angel? Then at vs5, is this Michael as well, "Then I will draw near to you for judgment etc. says the Lord of hosts."
Yea, this must be Michael huh advantages. Btw, advantages is spelled with an "a' not an "e".
IN THE ANGEL OF THE LORD,
bluto
Malachi 3:1 the "messenger (angel) of the covenant" is the Person/Being of the Son (aka, Jesus, Immanuel, Shiloh, David, Israel, Adam (last), etc, etc) - yes.
The second part of the question simply involves an equative.
If A = B
and If B = C
then A = C.
If the Son (aka, Jesus, Immanuel, Shiloh, David, Israel, Adam (last), etc, etc) = the "Angel of the LORD" (throughout, texts already cited)
and if the "Angel of the LORD" = "Michael the archangel" (simply being another designation of the name and office/position of the Son of God, just as the word "Dragon" is a symbolic name of the devil)
Then, the Son = Michael the archangel (not a created being, but the eternal and uncreated Arch (highest, leader) "angel" (messenger) of the Father, and is Deity, having the nature (only begotten) of the Father, because He is the eternal Son.
Do not think that when I say this, that when I say the Son is Michael the archangel, that I refer to the incorrect notion that he is a created being of the heavenly host (like Gabriel, etc). He is no such thing. The Son is eternal uncreated and everlasting Deity, the Jesus JEHOVAH.
The second part of the question simply involves an equative.
If A = B
and If B = C
then A = C.
If the Son (aka, Jesus, Immanuel, Shiloh, David, Israel, Adam (last), etc, etc) = the "Angel of the LORD" (throughout, texts already cited)
and if the "Angel of the LORD" = "Michael the archangel" (simply being another designation of the name and office/position of the Son of God, just as the word "Dragon" is a symbolic name of the devil)
Then, the Son = Michael the archangel (not a created being, but the eternal and uncreated Arch (highest, leader) "angel" (messenger) of the Father, and is Deity, having the nature (only begotten) of the Father, because He is the eternal Son.
Do not think that when I say this, that when I say the Son is Michael the archangel, that I refer to the incorrect notion that he is a created being of the heavenly host (like Gabriel, etc). He is no such thing. The Son is eternal uncreated and everlasting Deity, the Jesus JEHOVAH.
Yes and No.
JEHOVAH, the Ancient of Days, is the Person/Being of the Father.
Jesus JEHOVAH, the son of man, is the Person/Being of the Son.
The Holy Spirit of JEHOVAH, is the Person/Being of the Holy Ghost.
JEHOVAH Elohiym is the eternal family/relationship. JEHOVAH is the singular eternal family name, while Elohiym (Gods, trio) are the individual Persons/Beings that exist in that eternal family/relationship, Matt. 28:19; 1 Jhn. 5:7,8.
1. JEHOVAH, "the LORD" (Gen. 19:24b.; Zec. 3:2b.), "the Ancient of days" (Dan. 7:9,13,22) is "the only true God" (Jhn. 17:3; τὸν μόνον ἀληθινὸν θεὸν), "God" (Jhn. 1:1b.; τὸν θεόν), "thy God" (Heb. 1:9; ὁ θεός σου), "God the Father" (2 Jhn. 1:3; θεοῦ πατρός) the "person" (Job 13:8; Heb. 1:3) identified in the beginning as the "God said" (Gen. 1:6), for it was by Him that Revelation says, "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created." (Rev. 4:11).
2. Jesus JEHOVAH (Gen.49:18; Exo. 14:13; 2 Chr. 20:17; Jon. 2:9; Psa. 119:174 HOT) or JEHOVAH Immanuel (see Psa. 46:7,11 HOT)), "the LORD" (Gen. 19:24a.; Zec. 3:2a.), "the son of man" (Dan. 7:13), "the only begotten" (Jhn. 1:14,18, 3:16,18; Heb. 11:17; 1 Jhn. 4:9, is basically monogene (μονογενῆ; Jhn. 3:16; Heb. 11:17; 1 Jhn. 4:9) or monogenes (μονογενὴς; Jhn. 1:18) or monogenous (μονογενοῦς; Jhn. 1:14, 3:18)), "the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father" (2 Jhn. 1:3; Κυρίου Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ τοῦ υἱοῦ τοῦ πατρός) is not "the only true God" (Jhn. 17:3), but is "the express image of his person" (Heb. 1:3; χαρακτὴρ τῆς ὑποστάσεως αὐτοῦ), being "the Word was God" (Jhn. 1:1c.; θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος), who is "O God" (Heb. 1:9; ὁ θεός), the "just person" (Matt. 27:24, "person", 2 Cor. 2:10) indentified in the beginning as "God made" (Gen. 1:7) on behalf of the Father's direction (Pro. 8:22-36; Exo. 20:12), for it was by him (the Son) that John says, "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." (Jhn. 1:3), that Ephesians says, "And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:" (Eph. 3:9), that Colossians says, "For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:" (Col. 1:16), that Hebrews says, "Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;" (Heb. 1:2), the very, "I AM THAT I AM" (Exo. 3:14), the great "I am" (Jhn. 8:58; ἐγὼ εἰμί), the very "fellow" (Zec. 13:7) of the Father's person, and who comes in the name of His Father (Jhn. 5:43).
3. The Holy Spirit of JEHOVAH (Luk. 4:18), "his Spirit" (Isa. 48:16), "the LORD" (Zec. 3:2c.), the "another Comforter" (Jhn. 14:6), even "he", "the spirit of truth" (Jhn. 14:17, 15:26, 16:13), "God" (Acts 5:4), identified in the beginning as "the Spirit of God moved" (Gen. 1:2) and "God saw" (Gen. 1 throughout, the eternal Witness who inspired the scriptures; 2 Tim. 3:16-17; 2 Pet. 1:21), by which/whom everything is "created" (Psa. 104:30) and "made" (Job 33:4), whose nature is a mystery left unspoken of in scripture, but is the person who does "not speak of himself" (Jhn. 16:13), but comes in the name of the Son (Jhn. 14:26).
The eternal Heavenly Trio - family JEHOVAH Elohiym, over all creation as "Godhead".
The trio "Jones", or "Jones" family.
Three Persons/Beings working together as united family without dischord, but rather thinking and acting as harmonious chord.
Owning "Jones" Construction, they are all "Boss" (like "God") over their employees.
In fact the Father "Jones" can be "with" Son "Jones" Jr at a construction site, and an employee come up to them two, and say "Boss", and both would respond together, because "Boss" (Son) was with the "Boss" (Father) at that moment, thus in John 1:1 "God" was "with" "God".
Even in maths, this works, because of something called "set theory".
Father, Son and Holy Spirit (Set Deity)
Angels (created), mankind & lesser creatures (Set creation)
Set Deity is Head over Set creation. Yet Set Deity is not a single Person/Being, but a group, as all individuals together which are creation is not a single person/being but a group.
Yet, in (Set Deity) as (Head) are three Persons/Beings which individually or together are "Head" over creation.
Yet in (Set Deity) there is also heirarchy (Gen. 41:40).
Set Father
Set Son
Set Holy Spirit.
Now for "only true God" and "only begotten":
Mono
Gene
Mono is simply "one", "only".
Mono is used in conjunction or connection, gene.
Gene refers to race or nature (that which makes up the content of essence), that which comes about or exists through/from another.
It's used this way even coming down to our English:
"gene (n.) 1911, from German Gen, coined 1905 by Danish scientist Wilhelm Ludvig Johannsen (1857-1927), from Greek genea "generation, race" (from PIE root *gene- "give birth, beget"). De Vries had earlier called them pangenes. Gene pool is attested from 1946." - https://www.etymonline.com/word/Gene
That is why the Father is called:
monon alethinon theon, ton theon
And because the Son is in the express image of the Father, is called:
monogene, logos en o theos
The Father's nature is His own, underived ("true"*), but the Son, because He is the Son has that same nature because of the Father.
True - https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/true
Authentic - https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/authentic
Original - https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/original
It means underived.
So monogene in connection with monon alethinon theon means that the nature of the Son is of the Father and he is the only Son of the Father with that nature of the Father.
Created Angels and humans are sons, but not of that same nature as the Father and Son are.
In other words:
The Father is "The only true (underived in nature) God"
The Son is "The only begotten (derives His nature from the Father because He is the Son) God"
Remember, "only begotten" has nothing to do with time, or creation, or coming into existence in these contexts, but and only deals with the existing nature of the Son in relation to the Father.
I know what people think when I say that, but they need to understand the definition of what is said by saying it.
JEHOVAH, the Ancient of Days, is the Person/Being of the Father.
Jesus JEHOVAH, the son of man, is the Person/Being of the Son.
The Holy Spirit of JEHOVAH, is the Person/Being of the Holy Ghost.
JEHOVAH Elohiym is the eternal family/relationship. JEHOVAH is the singular eternal family name, while Elohiym (Gods, trio) are the individual Persons/Beings that exist in that eternal family/relationship, Matt. 28:19; 1 Jhn. 5:7,8.
1. JEHOVAH, "the LORD" (Gen. 19:24b.; Zec. 3:2b.), "the Ancient of days" (Dan. 7:9,13,22) is "the only true God" (Jhn. 17:3; τὸν μόνον ἀληθινὸν θεὸν), "God" (Jhn. 1:1b.; τὸν θεόν), "thy God" (Heb. 1:9; ὁ θεός σου), "God the Father" (2 Jhn. 1:3; θεοῦ πατρός) the "person" (Job 13:8; Heb. 1:3) identified in the beginning as the "God said" (Gen. 1:6), for it was by Him that Revelation says, "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created." (Rev. 4:11).
2. Jesus JEHOVAH (Gen.49:18; Exo. 14:13; 2 Chr. 20:17; Jon. 2:9; Psa. 119:174 HOT) or JEHOVAH Immanuel (see Psa. 46:7,11 HOT)), "the LORD" (Gen. 19:24a.; Zec. 3:2a.), "the son of man" (Dan. 7:13), "the only begotten" (Jhn. 1:14,18, 3:16,18; Heb. 11:17; 1 Jhn. 4:9, is basically monogene (μονογενῆ; Jhn. 3:16; Heb. 11:17; 1 Jhn. 4:9) or monogenes (μονογενὴς; Jhn. 1:18) or monogenous (μονογενοῦς; Jhn. 1:14, 3:18)), "the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father" (2 Jhn. 1:3; Κυρίου Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ τοῦ υἱοῦ τοῦ πατρός) is not "the only true God" (Jhn. 17:3), but is "the express image of his person" (Heb. 1:3; χαρακτὴρ τῆς ὑποστάσεως αὐτοῦ), being "the Word was God" (Jhn. 1:1c.; θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος), who is "O God" (Heb. 1:9; ὁ θεός), the "just person" (Matt. 27:24, "person", 2 Cor. 2:10) indentified in the beginning as "God made" (Gen. 1:7) on behalf of the Father's direction (Pro. 8:22-36; Exo. 20:12), for it was by him (the Son) that John says, "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." (Jhn. 1:3), that Ephesians says, "And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:" (Eph. 3:9), that Colossians says, "For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:" (Col. 1:16), that Hebrews says, "Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;" (Heb. 1:2), the very, "I AM THAT I AM" (Exo. 3:14), the great "I am" (Jhn. 8:58; ἐγὼ εἰμί), the very "fellow" (Zec. 13:7) of the Father's person, and who comes in the name of His Father (Jhn. 5:43).
3. The Holy Spirit of JEHOVAH (Luk. 4:18), "his Spirit" (Isa. 48:16), "the LORD" (Zec. 3:2c.), the "another Comforter" (Jhn. 14:6), even "he", "the spirit of truth" (Jhn. 14:17, 15:26, 16:13), "God" (Acts 5:4), identified in the beginning as "the Spirit of God moved" (Gen. 1:2) and "God saw" (Gen. 1 throughout, the eternal Witness who inspired the scriptures; 2 Tim. 3:16-17; 2 Pet. 1:21), by which/whom everything is "created" (Psa. 104:30) and "made" (Job 33:4), whose nature is a mystery left unspoken of in scripture, but is the person who does "not speak of himself" (Jhn. 16:13), but comes in the name of the Son (Jhn. 14:26).
The eternal Heavenly Trio - family JEHOVAH Elohiym, over all creation as "Godhead".
The trio "Jones", or "Jones" family.
Three Persons/Beings working together as united family without dischord, but rather thinking and acting as harmonious chord.
Owning "Jones" Construction, they are all "Boss" (like "God") over their employees.
In fact the Father "Jones" can be "with" Son "Jones" Jr at a construction site, and an employee come up to them two, and say "Boss", and both would respond together, because "Boss" (Son) was with the "Boss" (Father) at that moment, thus in John 1:1 "God" was "with" "God".
Even in maths, this works, because of something called "set theory".
Father, Son and Holy Spirit (Set Deity)
Angels (created), mankind & lesser creatures (Set creation)
Set Deity is Head over Set creation. Yet Set Deity is not a single Person/Being, but a group, as all individuals together which are creation is not a single person/being but a group.
Yet, in (Set Deity) as (Head) are three Persons/Beings which individually or together are "Head" over creation.
Yet in (Set Deity) there is also heirarchy (Gen. 41:40).
Set Father
Set Son
Set Holy Spirit.
Now for "only true God" and "only begotten":
Mono
Gene
Mono is simply "one", "only".
Mono is used in conjunction or connection, gene.
Gene refers to race or nature (that which makes up the content of essence), that which comes about or exists through/from another.
It's used this way even coming down to our English:
"gene (n.) 1911, from German Gen, coined 1905 by Danish scientist Wilhelm Ludvig Johannsen (1857-1927), from Greek genea "generation, race" (from PIE root *gene- "give birth, beget"). De Vries had earlier called them pangenes. Gene pool is attested from 1946." - https://www.etymonline.com/word/Gene
That is why the Father is called:
monon alethinon theon, ton theon
And because the Son is in the express image of the Father, is called:
monogene, logos en o theos
The Father's nature is His own, underived ("true"*), but the Son, because He is the Son has that same nature because of the Father.
True - https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/true
Authentic - https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/authentic
Original - https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/original
It means underived.
So monogene in connection with monon alethinon theon means that the nature of the Son is of the Father and he is the only Son of the Father with that nature of the Father.
Created Angels and humans are sons, but not of that same nature as the Father and Son are.
In other words:
The Father is "The only true (underived in nature) God"
The Son is "The only begotten (derives His nature from the Father because He is the Son) God"
Remember, "only begotten" has nothing to do with time, or creation, or coming into existence in these contexts, but and only deals with the existing nature of the Son in relation to the Father.
I know what people think when I say that, but they need to understand the definition of what is said by saying it.
Yes and no, you say?
When does the Word become the Son?
Here is a question for you.
Genesis 3:8-9
Now they heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God among the trees of the garden. Then the Lord God called to the man, and said to him, “Where are you?”
The Father is Spirit, not flesh and blood.
The Word can take on a human appearance or even an angelic appearance.
If the Father is Spirit, how can the Father be walking in Eden?
John 6:46
Not that anyone has seen the Father, except the One who is from God; He has seen the Father.
Has the Word been seen and heard in the Old Testament?
When does the Word become the Son?
Here is a question for you.
Genesis 3:8-9
Now they heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God among the trees of the garden. Then the Lord God called to the man, and said to him, “Where are you?”
The Father is Spirit, not flesh and blood.
The Word can take on a human appearance or even an angelic appearance.
If the Father is Spirit, how can the Father be walking in Eden?
John 6:46
Not that anyone has seen the Father, except the One who is from God; He has seen the Father.
Has the Word been seen and heard in the Old Testament?