If The Kingdom isn't here yet then what is JESUS CHRIST a King of?

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Which would be the heresy of full preterism.
Does this not say what i think it does?


Ephesians 1:20-23
Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.
 
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John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
Things changed.
 

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No, it did not change. Christ's kingdom is still in heaven. That only changes at the second coming.

Heb_2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.


This was written long after the cross and even at that time not all things were put under Him. That doesn't happen until the second coming.
 
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No, it did not change. Christ's kingdom is still in heaven. That only changes at the second coming.

Heb_2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.


This was written long after the cross and even at that time not all things were put under Him. That doesn't happen until the second coming.
i guess it is impossible for you to look at the Scripture i keep showing you. Let's try something else:

Rev 11:17
Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
 

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i guess it is impossible for you to look at the Scripture i keep showing you.
Same to you.

Heb_2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.

Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
That's after the second coming.
 
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Same to you.

Heb_2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.


That's after the second coming.
After His Second Coming ...is Rev 11? ...what?

is Heb_2:8 even talking about JESUS?

look at the next verse:

Heb 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
 

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After His Second Coming ...is Rev 11? ...what?

is Heb_2:8 even talking about JESUS?

Yes.

Heb 2:6 But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him?
Heb 2:7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:
Heb 2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.
Heb 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.


The son of man is a title of Christ.
 
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Yes.

Heb 2:6 But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him?
Heb 2:7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:
Heb 2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.
Heb 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.


The son of man is a title of Christ.
The "son of man" is also other people ...the blueletterbible.org site tells me the section before 2:9 is about: "Earth Subject to Man"

https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/heb/2/8/s_1135008

So, no, you don't have an argument here.
 
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That's after the second coming.
You are saying JESUS' Second Coming is before your mark of the beast? for real?


Rev 11:17
Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
 

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Right, so why are you saying Chapter 11 has the Second Coming already?
Because that speaks of the end of the Great Tribulation and the 7th trump which is when the second coming happens. Do you think the birth of Christ in Revelation 12 is when Jesus is born? It speaks of his birth but his birth was not between the events of Revelation 11 and 13. Revelation is not written in chronological order.

Revelation 11 is the end of the Great Tribulation, while Revelation 13 is the beginning of the Great Tribulation. It takes decades of study to learn these things.
 
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Because that speaks of the end of the Great Tribulation and the 7th trump which is when the second coming happens. Do you think the birth of Christ in Revelation 12 is when Jesus is born? It speaks of his birth but his birth was not between the events of Revelation 11 and 13. Revelation is not written in chronological order.

Revelation 11 is the end of the Great Tribulation, while Revelation 13 is the beginning of the Great Tribulation. It takes decades of study to learn these things.
You literal view allows you to swap chapters around?
 

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You literal view allows you to swap chapters around?
I don't have a literal view and no chapters are "swapped". When one does not understand the often non-chronological aspects of Revelation there is no hope to understand what it says which is why your understanding of it is lacking.
 
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I don't have a literal view and no chapters are "swapped". When one does not understand the often non-chronological aspects of Revelation there is no hope to understand what it says which is why your understanding of it is lacking.
Explain how Ch 11 is after a physical Rule on earth for a thousand years.