If The Kingdom isn't here yet then what is JESUS CHRIST a King of?

[HatedForNoReason]

We Reign with CHRIST now by ruling the beast via dying to the beast system with The Reborn Kingdom Image of CHRIST.

Galatians 5:22-23
New King James Version

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 [a]gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.

The purpose of the "symbolic 1000 year kingdom" is God giving the Holy Spirit to all of God's elects throughout history and perfecting their character to be like Jesus. Gospel preached to the whole world until all of God's elects have been sealed by the Holy Spirit.

Revelation 7:3-4

King James Version

3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.


Read Romans 8.
-The Seal of the Holy Spirit of promise that is only given to God's elects (Ephesians 1:13; Ephesians 4:30; II Corinthians 1:21-22; II Timothy 2:19, Revelation 7:3-4)

 

[HatedForNoReason]

Why do you not believe there will be a literal 1,000 Year Period as Scripture clearly declares?

Why do you not believe there will be a literal 1,000 Year Period as Scripture clearly declares?

First I have to ask you the question of reason and purpose of your literal 1,000 year kingdom on physical earth?

 

[DavidTree]

First I have to ask you the question of reason and purpose of your literal 1,000 year kingdom on physical earth?

Scripture states it clearly and i believe the Word. Not looking to argue, just curious to your assessment - Peace

 

[HatedForNoReason]

Scripture states it clearly and i believe the Word. Not looking to argue, just curious to your assessment - Peace

2 Peter 3:7-14
King James Version

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

Revelation 21
King James Version

21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.


It's not a literal 1,000 Year Period because when the real Jesus Christ comes. The old heaven and old earth will be burned up with fire.
Than Great White Throne Judgment.

 

[DavidTree]

2 Peter 3:7-14
King James Version

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

Revelation 21
King James Version

21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.


It's not a literal 1,000 Year Period because when the real Jesus Christ comes. The old heaven and old earth will be burned up with fire.
Than Great White Throne Judgment.

Yes, i am familiar with this passage, thank you for sharing.

i see what Peter is speaking of and it can be found in Revelation chapter 20:7-10

When the thousand years are complete, Satan will be released from his prison, 8and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—to assemble them for battle. Their number is like the sand of the seashore.
9And they marched across the broad expanse of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. But fire came down from heaven and consumed them. 10And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur, into which the beast and the false prophet had already been thrown. There they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

imho - this corresponds to the end of a literal 1,000 Year Period.
As there are clear elements that must be fulfilled which have not yet.

PEACE to you my Brother

 

[HatedForNoReason]

Yes, i am familiar with this passage, thank you for sharing.

i see what Peter is speaking of and it can be found in Revelation chapter 20:7-10

When the thousand years are complete, Satan will be released from his prison, 8and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—to assemble them for battle. Their number is like the sand of the seashore.
9And they marched across the broad expanse of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. But fire came down from heaven and consumed them. 10And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur, into which the beast and the false prophet had already been thrown. There they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

imho - this corresponds to the end of a literal 1,000 Year Period.
As there are clear elements that must be fulfilled which have not yet.

PEACE to you my Brother

Jesus needs to come for thousand years to start. Which Jesus did, when he ascended to Heaven and sat at the right hand of God.

 

[ewq1938]

Revelation 21
King James Version

21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.


It's not a literal 1,000 Year Period because when the real Jesus Christ comes. The old heaven and old earth will be burned up with fire.
Than Great White Throne Judgment.

Incorrect. Revelation 21's NHNE is LONG after the second coming. When the real Jesus comes, he will have satan imprisoned and then the real thousand years will begin. There won't be wars, disease, murders and rapes etc in the real thousand years. The fake thousand years of Amill has all those terrible things and more.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

JESUS is Jacob's Ladder, JESUS is our connection between GOD The Father and man, Heaven and Earth.

the tower of babel tried to do it without GOD.

Did Heaven and Earth pass away when JESUS became The Bridge? When JESUS Fulfilled The Law?

Did satan become bound by not being able to use The Bridge?

John 1:51
And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

How many times do i have to show you guys that a "thousand" isn't literal? Explain this:?

Deuteronomy 7:8-9
But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.
Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;

1 Chronicles 16:14-15
He is the LORD our God; his judgments are in all the earth.
Be ye mindful always of his covenant; the word which he commanded to a thousand generations;

Psalm 105:6-10
O ye seed of Abraham his servant, ye children of Jacob his chosen.
He is the LORD our God: his judgments are in all the earth.
He hath remembered his covenant for ever, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations.
Which covenant he made with Abraham, and his oath unto Isaac;
And confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant:

 

[HatedForNoReason]

How many times do i have to show you guys that a "thousand" isn't literal? Explain this:?

Deuteronomy 7:8-9
But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.
Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;

1 Chronicles 16:14-15
He is the LORD our God; his judgments are in all the earth.
Be ye mindful always of his covenant; the word which he commanded to a thousand generations;

Psalm 105:6-10
O ye seed of Abraham his servant, ye children of Jacob his chosen.
He is the LORD our God: his judgments are in all the earth.
He hath remembered his covenant for ever, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations.
Which covenant he made with Abraham, and his oath unto Isaac;
And confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant:

2 Thessalonians 2:8-12
King James Version

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.


It's no use posting the bible verses to them because I assume 99% of the world's population are nonelects and nonelects will be deceived.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

2 Thessalonians 2:8-12
King James Version

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.


It's no use posting the bible verses to them because I assume 99% of the world's population are nonelects and nonelects will be deceived.

These are good people, they just don't realize what they are asking for with this 1000 years after The Return.

 

[Yahshua]

First I have to ask you the question of reason and purpose of your literal 1,000 year kingdom on physical earth?

There are two works for the cleansing of sin, as explained by the day of atonement:

1) death of Almighty's goat, and its blood is taken into the Holiest Place and sprinkled on the furnishing by the High Priest to cleanse iniquity.

2) burden of the live goat to remove sin entirely from the people and into the wilderness. The High Priest confesses all of the people's sins onto the live goat and it is then led far away.


The Messiah's death on the cross, and current ministration with His blood in Heaven's tabernacle as High Priest represents only the 1st work. This is clearly the case as sin continues to exist in this present world and even among His people. The Almighty can't be in the presence of sin, so when Messiah returns the 2nd work will begin to remove sin from the world entirely. This is the purpose of His 2nd coming and the 1000 years. To rule the nations with a rod of iron, for "every knee shall bow".


Zechariah 3:9
For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone shall be seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the LORD of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.

2 Peter 3:8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Jeremiah 16:19
19 O Lord, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.

 

[riverhooks]

What is "the brightness of his coming:"?

Hebrews 1:1-3

God who at sundry time and in diver manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken to us by his Son whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; who being ( the brightness of His glory )and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when he had by Himself purged our sins sat down on the right hand of the majesty on High; Looking for the that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the Great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ Titus 2:13.

 

[riverhooks]

Hebrews 1:1-3

God who at sundry time and in diver manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken to us by his Son whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; who being ( the brightness of His glory )and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when he had by Himself purged our sins sat down on the right hand of the majesty on High;

Looking for the that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the Great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ Titus 2:13.

 

[DavidTree]

Incorrect. Revelation 21's NHNE is LONG after the second coming. When the real Jesus comes, he will have satan imprisoned and then the real thousand years will begin. There won't be wars, disease, murders and rapes etc in the real thousand years. The fake thousand years of Amill has all those terrible things and more.

YES Brother - there are Prophecies that God spoke that HE will fulfill with the Second Coming of Christ which begins a literal 1,000 Year Reign.

Christ is Reigning Now and HE will continue to Reign FOREVER - this does not mean we are now living in that specific 1,000 Year Period.

 

[DavidTree]

There are two works for the cleansing of sin, as explained by the day of atonement:

1) death of Almighty's goat, and its blood is taken into the Holiest Place and sprinkled on the furnishing by the High Priest to cleanse iniquity.

2) burden of the live goat to remove sin entirely from the people and into the wilderness. The High Priest confesses all of the people's sins onto the live goat and it is then led far away.


The Messiah's death on the cross, and current ministration with His blood in Heaven's tabernacle as High Priest represents only the 1st work. This is clearly the case as sin continues to exist in this present world and even among His people. The Almighty can't be in the presence of sin, so when Messiah returns the 2nd work will begin to remove sin from the world entirely. This is the purpose of His 2nd coming and the 1000 years. To rule the nations with a rod of iron, for "every knee shall bow".


Zechariah 3:9
For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone shall be seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the LORD of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.

2 Peter 3:8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Jeremiah 16:19
19 O Lord, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.

You said: "1) death of Almighty's goat, and its blood is taken into the Holiest Place"

Did you mean lamb but accidently said goat here??? For the scapegoat is the Antichrist who will be sent away.

i believe you are referring to Leviticus ch15 with the kid goat blood - yes/no?
If, yes, what/who is the Almighty's goat??? For the Lord is the Lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world = Jew & Gentile.
Yashuah, Himself, placed His Blood on the Mercy Seat for us, Jew & Gentile, whom the Father calls.

Everything else you said is spot on Brother - Thank You

 

[Yahshua]

You said: "1) death of Almighty's goat, and its blood is taken into the Holiest Place"

Did you mean lamb but accidently said goat here??? For the scapegoat is the Antichrist who will be sent away.

i believe you are referring to Leviticus ch15 with the kid goat blood - yes/no?
If, yes, what/who is the Almighty's goat??? For the Lord is the Lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world = Jew & Gentile.
Yashuah, Himself, placed His Blood on the Mercy Seat for us, Jew & Gentile, whom the Father calls.

Everything else you said is spot on Brother - Thank You

Sure,

I'm referring to the two-part work prefigured in the ritual of the day of atonement.

Leviticus 16:7-10, 15, 20-21
7 And he shall take the two goats, and present them before the Lord at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.

8 And Aaron shall cast lots upon the two goats; one lot for the Lord, and the other lot for the scapegoat.

9 And Aaron shall bring the goat upon which the Lord's lot fell, and offer him for a sin offering.

10 But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the Lord, to make an atonement with him, and to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness.

15 Then shall he kill the goat of the sin offering, that is for the people, and bring his blood within the vail, and do with that blood as he did with the blood of the bullock, and sprinkle it upon the mercy seat, and before the mercy seat:

20 And when he hath made an end of reconciling the holy place, and the tabernacle of the congregation, and the altar, he shall bring the live goat:

21 And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness:


Fulfilled in Messiah, each goat here simply represents a "work" God does. But detailing the pattern as specifically described, I used the word "goat".

- One goat was "for the Lord" (so I called it "Almighty's goat"), offered as a sin offering by the High Priest and its blood taken into the Holy Place

- Other goat was for the scapegoat, bearing the guilt of sin, and was to be physically sent away by a fit man (I assume the goat would struggle to be removed so a fit man was needed).


This is further pictured in the gospel scene of Jesus The Messiah (the innocent) vs. Jesus Barabbas (the criminal). The guilty criminal was freed while the innocent man died for the people as a sin offering (Matthew 27).

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Messiah is indeed the "lamb of God", but there are several things used in scripture to represent aspects of His work from animals to objects to people (atonement goat, leprosy bird, olive tree branch, Passover lamb, Aaron, fit man), which is fine when we read them in context.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

JESUS is a King today because of His physical Resurrection.
He Started The Everlasting Reborn Kingdom Image.
You Reign over the beast by being a citizen today.

 

[DavidTree]

Sure,

I'm referring to the two-part work prefigured in the ritual of the day of atonement.

Leviticus 16:7-10, 15, 20-21
7 And he shall take the two goats, and present them before the Lord at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.

8 And Aaron shall cast lots upon the two goats; one lot for the Lord, and the other lot for the scapegoat.

9 And Aaron shall bring the goat upon which the Lord's lot fell, and offer him for a sin offering.

10 But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the Lord, to make an atonement with him, and to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness.

15 Then shall he kill the goat of the sin offering, that is for the people, and bring his blood within the vail, and do with that blood as he did with the blood of the bullock, and sprinkle it upon the mercy seat, and before the mercy seat:

20 And when he hath made an end of reconciling the holy place, and the tabernacle of the congregation, and the altar, he shall bring the live goat:

21 And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness:


Fulfilled in Messiah, each goat here simply represents a "work" God does. But detailing the pattern as specifically described, I used the word "goat".

- One goat was "for the Lord" (so I called it "Almighty's goat"), offered as a sin offering by the High Priest and its blood taken into the Holy Place

- Other goat was for the scapegoat, bearing the guilt of sin, and was to be physically sent away by a fit man (I assume the goat would struggle to be removed so a fit man was needed).


This is further pictured in the gospel scene of Jesus The Messiah (the innocent) vs. Jesus Barabbas (the criminal). The guilty criminal was freed while the innocent man died for the people as a sin offering (Matthew 27).

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Messiah is indeed the "lamb of God", but there are several things used in scripture to represent aspects of His work from animals to objects to people (atonement goat, leprosy bird, olive tree branch, Passover lamb, Aaron, fit man), which is fine when we read them in context.

Thank you for the clarity Brother.
You had me a little scared, when you mentioned 'Almighty's goat' even though i know and understand the Leviticus kid goat offering and Day of Atonement.
At first glance it seemed to me that possibly you felt the Blood of the Lamb was not sufficient for ALL.

Now, you do not believe more blood is required upon the Mercy Seat in addition to Messiah's? Correct?

PEACE

 

[DavidTree]

JESUS is a King today because of His physical Resurrection.
He Started The Everlasting Reborn Kingdom Image.
You Reign over the beast by being a citizen today.

JESUS was KING before HE ever came to Earth.

You are My witnesses,” declares the LORD,
“and My servant whom I have chosen,
so that you may consider and believe Me
and understand that I am He.
Before Me no god was formed,
and after Me none will come.
I, yes I, am the LORD,
and there is no Savior but Me.
I alone decreed and saved and proclaimed—(KING)
I, and not some foreign god among you.
So you are My witnesses,” declares the LORD,
“that I am God.
Even from eternity I am He,
and none can deliver out of My hand.(KING)
When I act, who can reverse it?”(KING)
Isaiah 43

Then Pilate entered the [Praetorium again, called Jesus, and said to Him, “Are You the King of the Jews?”
Jesus answered him, “Are you speaking for yourself about this, or did others tell you this concerning Me?”
Pilate answered, “Am I a Jew? Your own nation and the chief priests have delivered You to me. What have You done?”
Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.”

Pilate therefore said to Him, “Are You a king then?”