IF 'THE DEAD' don't rise then who do we rule and reign over?

[kleronomos]

Why is it so important to you that you will become a ruler?

Being in charge is a LOT of work. I personally plan to spend my days in Heaven relaxing and living. Ruling is not relaxing. Servant leadership is not just a buzzword. It's really work. Integrating various skill sets to accomplish tasks together and in sequence without creating a disaster.

It's project management, human resource management, coordination between groups, and planning for personal growth of all involved...to accomplish huge tasks.
I plan on eating fruit and fishing.

THESE things, you will need to be taking up with GOD, it isn't my plan, IT IS HIS. I just want to do GOOD WORKS and be ready where ever and however He might need me.

Not sure how He will be addressing these thoughts and feelings of yours.... but I am sure He will take them into consideration. You make it sound like HIS YOKE will be too heavy for you, I pray not.

So now that you fully understand that this is not about me but WHAT IS WRITTEN, have you wisdom or knowledge towards that?

 

[kleronomos]

You quoted scripture that affirms some flesh will survive the tribulation / wrath times when jesus shall return..

Yes, I did.

1Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

We are not going to rule and reign over each other but we will rule and reign over THE DEAD who have been resurrected. For 1000 years, those resurrected when Christ returns HAVE NOT yet BEEN JUDGED. AND there WONT BE another judgment day FOR 1000 YEARS.


Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.


AND ONCE THEY HAVE BEEN JUDGED SOME TO EVERLASTING LIFE SOME TO 2ND DEATH

THEN

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.


NOTICE WHO ISN'T JUDGED AT THE GWTJ? THOSE WHO WERE JUDGED on their last day when they went to be where CHRIST IS, in heaven, at the right hand of God, who will be returning with Him, to rule and reign OVER THE DEAD. (just and unjust until they are judged)

Luke 9:56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.

Luke 9:57 And it came to pass, that, as they went in the way, a certain man said unto him, Lord, I will follow thee whithersoever thou goest.

Luke 9:58 And Jesus said unto him, Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.

Luke 9:59 And he said unto another, Follow me. But he said, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father.

Luke 9:60 Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.

Luke 9:61 And another also said, Lord, I will follow thee; but let me first go bid them farewell, which are at home at my house.

Luke 9:62 And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.



SPIRITUALLY DEAD. DIED UNSAVED. RESURRECTED UNSAVED. NOT TESTED. NOT PROVED. NOT DISCIPLINED. DIDN'T HAVE THE FOUNDATION OF THE APOSTLES AND THE PROPHETS so didn't understand, didn't come to knowledge. Will remain spiritually dead until judgment and only then will their name either be found in the book of life or it wont.


Don't agree? Please share what is written that CONFLICTS, or what is written that is made void.

man isn’t going to rule over other men but over the earth as was our place in creation before the fall

“So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:27-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

after the fall into sin we became slaves to sin rather than having dominion and rule

“in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; and that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭2:25-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Christ offers restoration to mans original place in creation being made in Gods image and having dominion over the earth and all the other species of creature upon it

we aren’t going to rule over other people , we are going to inherit mans original blessing given rule and dominion over earth having the spirit of the creator within us and the power of his word upon us

We’re going to inherit a new world and have reign upon it

 

[kleronomos]

to "reign with" simply means we will be PART of His Kingdom, not overseers or any such........ Scripture does say that there will be 12 Judges appointed, but, shoot, you REALLY think you got a shot at being one of the 12?

This type of thing is why folks should not try to teach Revelations. 99% of the time they get it wrong

The OLD TEST really comes in handy here. I do know these replies are getting really scary.



SO start HERE
Ezekiel 40:1 In the five and twentieth year of our captivity, in the beginning of the year, in the tenth day of the month, in the fourteenth year after that the city was smitten, in the selfsame day the hand of the LORD was upon me, and brought me thither.

Ezekiel 40:2 In the visions of God brought he me into the land of Israel, and set me upon a very high mountain, by which was as the frame of a city on the south.

Ezekiel 40:3 And he brought me thither, and, behold, there was a man, whose appearance was like the appearance of brass, with a line of flax in his hand, and a measuring reed; and he stood in the gate.

Ezekiel 40:4 And the man said unto me, Son of man, behold with thine eyes, and hear with thine ears, and set thine heart upon all that I shall shew thee; for to the intent that I might shew them unto thee art thou brought hither: declare all that thou seest to the house of Israel.



and don't quit until you get here

Ezekiel 48:31 And the gates of the city shall be after the names of the tribes of Israel: three gates northward; one gate of Reuben, one gate of Judah, one gate of Levi.

Ezekiel 48:32 And at the east side four thousand and five hundred: and three gates; and one gate of Joseph, one gate of Benjamin, one gate of Dan.

Ezekiel 48:33 And at the south side four thousand and five hundred measures: and three gates; one gate of Simeon, one gate of Issachar, one gate of Zebulun.

Ezekiel 48:34 At the west side four thousand and five hundred, with their three gates; one gate of Gad, one gate of Asher, one gate of Naphtali.

Ezekiel 48:35 It was round about eighteen thousand measures: and the name of the city from that day shall be, The LORD is there.

AND THAT'S JUST THERE.


Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.



936. basileuó ►
Strong's Concordance
basileuó: to be king, reign
Original Word: βασιλεύω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: basileuó
Phonetic Spelling: (bas-il-yoo'-o)
Definition: to be king, reign
Usage: (a) I rule, reign, (b) I reign over.
HELPS Word-studies
Cognate: 936 basileúō (from 935 /basileús, "king") – to reign as king, i.e. exercise dominion (rule). See 932 (basileia).






I pray there are no BABES in Christ reading some of these comments (not just this one but most of them) because quite the stumbling blocks they would be to them. IMHO anyhow. But we'll all KNOW when the LORD brings them up.

 

[kleronomos]

We the Saints will no longer be in the old flesh bodies we shall be transformed and shall have eternal bodies and we shall be ruling with Jesus on earth for those 1000 years..

I agree, but NO ONE will be in flesh bodies. The dead resurrect and the alive and remaining are changed. That leaves ZERO flesh EARTH FLESH bodies around.

EVERYONE know the 'time' allotted for earth flesh is 120 yrs and that is way short of 1000.

And this is just a not so wild guess but SINCE the angels and flesh women didn't work out the first time so well, and flesh and blood can't inherit the kingdom of God, that no flesh and BLOOD could reside there. NOT TO MENTION that when Christ and His armies arrive, IT WILL BE HEAVEN on earth and YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE LORD WOULD HAVE 'DECAY' flesh bodies walking around heaven do you? DOES THAT SEEM RIGHT TO YOU? We best not be taking pleasure in UNRIGHTEOUSNESS.

 

[kleronomos]

Thank God for that one...

I'd rather herd cats than rule over people....cats are easier to herd than ruling over this miscreant lot!

You are the 2nd person today who MISSED this verse and in case you are not reading all the replies I will give it again for you.

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power,




but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.




936. basileuó ►
Strong's Concordance
basileuó: to be king, reign
Original Word: βασιλεύω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: basileuó
Phonetic Spelling: (bas-il-yoo'-o)
Definition: to be king, reign
Usage: (a) I rule, reign, (b) I reign over.
HELPS Word-studies
Cognate: 936 basileúō (from 935 /basileús, "king") – to reign as king, i.e. exercise dominion (rule). See 932 (basileia).


I sure pray this is coming from PURE ignorance.

 

[kleronomos]

This is the way of King Jesus
Joh 13:4 He riseth from supper, and laid aside his garments; and took a towel, and girded himself.
Joh 13:5 After that he poureth water into a bason, and began to wash the disciples' feet, and to wipe them with the towel wherewith he was girded.
Joh 13:6 Then cometh he to Simon Peter: and Peter saith unto him, Lord, dost thou wash my feet?
Joh 13:7 Jesus answered and said unto him, What I do thou knowest not now; but thou shalt know hereafter.
Joh 13:8 Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me.
Joh 13:9 Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head.

THAT is the way of KING Jesus? Wasn't He here as the SERVANT when that took place? Do you know how He is coming back?

2 Thessalonians 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

2 Thessalonians 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

2 Thessalonians 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;


QUITE THE END FOR THEM WHO KNOW NOT GOD, isn't it?

 

[kleronomos]

I really don't understand your question. The unjust dead are the wicked dead. They currently are in hell. At the judgment they are raised, judged and cast into the Lake of Fire.

I hope this will help clear up what I believe.



Those who die UNSAVED do so for any number of reasons just a couple would be

Some were born into another religion and never ventured out of it. THEY are righteous people in the ways of the world, they just DIDN'T get the opportunity to be saved. As for their hearts and souls they are just as, if not more so, charitable than many Christians are now.

Some lived and died NEVER even having heard the words of God.

Some THOUGHT they were being taught GOD TRUTH, but they were only being taught the ways of men through false doctrines and false prophets. GOOD PEOPLE GOOD HEARTS just ignorant of GODS TRUTH through no fault of their own



Some fall into those same ways but they are not nice at all. Maybe hearing Gods Truth will open up their hearts. Maybe not.


All of those AS FAR AS GOD is concerned ARE DEAD. They are 'dead' because they have NOT RECEIVED THE GIFT OF SALVATION. Until they do, until they accept the Lord Jesus Christ, they can not 'come to life'.



THAT is the resurrection of the just and the unjust, that will happen when Christ returns. What is it GOD WANTS? For all to come to repentance. WOULD it be right or would it be JUST for a GOOD soul to perish because of unfortunate earthy circumstances? NO. So GOD is making sure ALL WILL be equally 'invited'.



THEN THERE are the wicked. THESE KNOW AND REJECTED FOR WHAT ever reason. NO SECOND CHANCE. IF some one is EVIL then they are not fit.



TAKE NOTICE of who does NOT GET JUDGED at the GWTJ. Those who were of the 1st resurrection. They went before CHRIST and received immortality, and went to be where He is. They returned with Him and they will reign with Him for the Lords Day.

Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God;

THE DEAD, those who died UN saved and were resurrected when Christ returned.

The 1000 years that they have been learning GODS TRUTH now comes into play. Were they seduced when Satan was let loose for a short season or were they proved to be faithful to GOD?

Is their name to be found in the book of life now? IF SO, they were resurrected to EVERLASTING LIFE back when Christ returned.

What about those who when Satan is released followed after him? If so, turns out they were resurrected to the 2nd death. The strangest thing, to me anyhow, is just how many souls this will happen to.


and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.


WHAT about those WICKED? They had their chance, they didn't resurrect when Christ returns, no second chances. God said, CHOSE LIFE OR DEATH. They choose poorly.

NOW is THEIR TIME. Maybe a slight chance for someone? IDK.


Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.


That is what I believe is the meaning of what is written here and until someone can show something written to disprove it, and that INCLUDES the Holy Spirit leading me where ever I am to go, that is what I will believe. I have listened to others 'thoughts' and explanations and none of them fit with what is written. THEY ALL HAVE ONE THING IN COMMON and that is

They have those who JESUS said 'would never die' - AS THE DEAD, awaiting His return

If the dead die because of unbelief and are 'resurrected' when Christ returns

HOW IS IT POSSIBLE FOR THOSE MADE ALIVE, THOSE WHO WILL NEVER DIE TO BE IN THE EXACT SAME SITUATION?


Did you know that DECAY does not inherit immortality?
Did you know that the only part of the 'earth flesh body ' sown to 'continue on' is a bare grain.
Do you realize a single cell contains all the information about us and our works do follow us?
Do you realize to go from one 'realm' to the other' only takes the 'twinkling of an eye'?

Did you know that 'knowledge' that has never been known by any other generation is being opened up to us?

Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Daniel 12:3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

Daniel 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.


Did you know that in 1948 the 'seven times' punishment ended for Judah? It's all coming together and it is happening quickly. Just as it is written.

 

[Beckie]

THESE things, you will need to be taking up with GOD, it isn't my plan, IT IS HIS. I just want to do GOOD WORKS and be ready where ever and however He might need me.

Not sure how He will be addressing these thoughts and feelings of yours.... but I am sure He will take them into consideration. You make it sound like HIS YOKE will be too heavy for you, I pray not.

So now that you fully understand that this is not about me but WHAT IS WRITTEN, have you wisdom or knowledge towards that?

It is written in the Scriptures what the Kingdom of God is do you know where and what it says?

 

[kleronomos]

power hunger much?

Why you see my belief in what is written as 'power hunger', I completely understand. It isn't a sin to be ignorant but it is a sin to stay that way. So again, I will put before you Gods words, not mine




936. basileuó ►
Strong's Concordance
basileuó: to be king, reign
Original Word: βασιλεύω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: basileuó
Phonetic Spelling: (bas-il-yoo'-o)
Definition: to be king, reign
Usage: (a) I rule, reign, (b) I reign over.
HELPS Word-studies
Cognate: 936 basileúō (from 935 /basileús, "king") – to reign as king, i.e. exercise dominion (rule). See 932 (basileia).


Revelation 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

Revelation 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

Revelation 5:7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.

Revelation 5:8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

Revelation 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

Revelation 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.



Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Do you wish to be a part of the FIRST RESURRECTION? If so, might want to get prepared by putting on the gospel armor.



1 Corinthians 6:1 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?

1 Corinthians 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

1 Corinthians 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

 

[kleronomos]

It is written in the Scriptures what the Kingdom of God is do you know where and what it says?

Within you.

 

[Beckie]

I hope this will help clear up what I believe.



Those who die UNSAVED do so for any number of reasons just a couple would be

Some were born into another religion and never ventured out of it. THEY are righteous people in the ways of the world, they just DIDN'T get the opportunity to be saved. As for their hearts and souls they are just as, if not more so, charitable than many Christians are now.

Some lived and died NEVER even having heard the words of God.

Some THOUGHT they were being taught GOD TRUTH, but they were only being taught the ways of men through false doctrines and false prophets. GOOD PEOPLE GOOD HEARTS just ignorant of GODS TRUTH through no fault of their own



Some fall into those same ways but they are not nice at all. Maybe hearing Gods Truth will open up their hearts. Maybe not.


All of those AS FAR AS GOD is concerned ARE DEAD. They are 'dead' because they have NOT RECEIVED THE GIFT OF SALVATION. Until they do, until they accept the Lord Jesus Christ, they can not 'come to life'.



THAT is the resurrection of the just and the unjust, that will happen when Christ returns. What is it GOD WANTS? For all to come to repentance. WOULD it be right or would it be JUST for a GOOD soul to perish because of unfortunate earthy circumstances? NO. So GOD is making sure ALL WILL be equally 'invited'.



THEN THERE are the wicked. THESE KNOW AND REJECTED FOR WHAT ever reason. NO SECOND CHANCE. IF some one is EVIL then they are not fit.



TAKE NOTICE of who does NOT GET JUDGED at the GWTJ. Those who were of the 1st resurrection. They went before CHRIST and received immortality, and went to be where He is. They returned with Him and they will reign with Him for the Lords Day.

Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God;

THE DEAD, those who died UN saved and were resurrected when Christ returned.

The 1000 years that they have been learning GODS TRUTH now comes into play. Were they seduced when Satan was let loose for a short season or were they proved to be faithful to GOD?

Is their name to be found in the book of life now? IF SO, they were resurrected to EVERLASTING LIFE back when Christ returned.

What about those who when Satan is released followed after him? If so, turns out they were resurrected to the 2nd death. The strangest thing, to me anyhow, is just how many souls this will happen to.


and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.


WHAT about those WICKED? They had their chance, they didn't resurrect when Christ returns, no second chances. God said, CHOSE LIFE OR DEATH. They choose poorly.

NOW is THEIR TIME. Maybe a slight chance for someone? IDK.


Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.


That is what I believe is the meaning of what is written here and until someone can show something written to disprove it, and that INCLUDES the Holy Spirit leading me where ever I am to go, that is what I will believe. I have listened to others 'thoughts' and explanations and none of them fit with what is written. THEY ALL HAVE ONE THING IN COMMON and that is

They have those who JESUS said 'would never die' - AS THE DEAD, awaiting His return

If the dead die because of unbelief and are 'resurrected' when Christ returns

HOW IS IT POSSIBLE FOR THOSE MADE ALIVE, THOSE WHO WILL NEVER DIE TO BE IN THE EXACT SAME SITUATION?


Did you know that DECAY does not inherit immortality?
Did you know that the only part of the 'earth flesh body ' sown to 'continue on' is a bare grain.
Do you realize a single cell contains all the information about us and our works do follow us?
Do you realize to go from one 'realm' to the other' only takes the 'twinkling of an eye'?

Did you know that 'knowledge' that has never been known by any other generation is being opened up to us?

Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Daniel 12:3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

Daniel 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.


Did you know that in 1948 the 'seven times' punishment ended for Judah? It's all coming together and it is happening quickly. Just as it is written.

A couple questions

Do you believe Jesus ruled when He was on earth. Do you believe God reigns on high. How does /did Jesus rule if you believe He did/does?

 

[Beckie]

Within you.

what about the other half of the question.. Where is it written and what does it say?

 

[kleronomos]

A couple questions

Do you believe Jesus ruled when He was on earth. Do you believe God reigns on high. How does /did Jesus rule if you believe He did/does?

I think this answers that


Hebrews 2:7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:

Hebrews 2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.
Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Hebrews 2:10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

 

[kleronomos]

what about the other half of the question.. Where is it written and what does it say?

What does this have to do with who we reign over?

 

[kleronomos]

what about the other half of the question.. Where is it written and what does it say?

Luke 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Luke 17:22 And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it.

Luke 17:23 And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them.

Luke 17:24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.

Luke 17:25 But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation.

Luke 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.

Luke 17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

Luke 17:28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;

Luke 17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

Luke 17:30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

 

[kleronomos]

A couple questions

Do you believe Jesus ruled when He was on earth. Do you believe God reigns on high. How does /did Jesus rule if you believe He did/does?

Not sure why when speaking of GOD Plan in specifics people BACK out of the conversation to go to GODS OMNISCIENCE, but it sure happens a lot.

 

[Amanuensis]

I hope this will help clear up what I believe.



Those who die UNSAVED do so for any number of reasons just a couple would be

Some were born into another religion and never ventured out of it. THEY are righteous people in the ways of the world, they just DIDN'T get the opportunity to be saved. As for their hearts and souls they are just as, if not more so, charitable than many Christians are now.

Some lived and died NEVER even having heard the words of God.

Some THOUGHT they were being taught GOD TRUTH, but they were only being taught the ways of men through false doctrines and false prophets. GOOD PEOPLE GOOD HEARTS just ignorant of GODS TRUTH through no fault of their own



Some fall into those same ways but they are not nice at all. Maybe hearing Gods Truth will open up their hearts. Maybe not.


All of those AS FAR AS GOD is concerned ARE DEAD. They are 'dead' because they have NOT RECEIVED THE GIFT OF SALVATION. Until they do, until they accept the Lord Jesus Christ, they can not 'come to life'.



THAT is the resurrection of the just and the unjust, that will happen when Christ returns. What is it GOD WANTS? For all to come to repentance. WOULD it be right or would it be JUST for a GOOD soul to perish because of unfortunate earthy circumstances? NO. So GOD is making sure ALL WILL be equally 'invited'.



THEN THERE are the wicked. THESE KNOW AND REJECTED FOR WHAT ever reason. NO SECOND CHANCE. IF some one is EVIL then they are not fit.



TAKE NOTICE of who does NOT GET JUDGED at the GWTJ. Those who were of the 1st resurrection. They went before CHRIST and received immortality, and went to be where He is. They returned with Him and they will reign with Him for the Lords Day.

Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God;

THE DEAD, those who died UN saved and were resurrected when Christ returned.

The 1000 years that they have been learning GODS TRUTH now comes into play. Were they seduced when Satan was let loose for a short season or were they proved to be faithful to GOD?

Is their name to be found in the book of life now? IF SO, they were resurrected to EVERLASTING LIFE back when Christ returned.

What about those who when Satan is released followed after him? If so, turns out they were resurrected to the 2nd death. The strangest thing, to me anyhow, is just how many souls this will happen to.


and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.


WHAT about those WICKED? They had their chance, they didn't resurrect when Christ returns, no second chances. God said, CHOSE LIFE OR DEATH. They choose poorly.

NOW is THEIR TIME. Maybe a slight chance for someone? IDK.


Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.


That is what I believe is the meaning of what is written here and until someone can show something written to disprove it, and that INCLUDES the Holy Spirit leading me where ever I am to go, that is what I will believe. I have listened to others 'thoughts' and explanations and none of them fit with what is written. THEY ALL HAVE ONE THING IN COMMON and that is

They have those who JESUS said 'would never die' - AS THE DEAD, awaiting His return

If the dead die because of unbelief and are 'resurrected' when Christ returns

HOW IS IT POSSIBLE FOR THOSE MADE ALIVE, THOSE WHO WILL NEVER DIE TO BE IN THE EXACT SAME SITUATION?


Did you know that DECAY does not inherit immortality?
Did you know that the only part of the 'earth flesh body ' sown to 'continue on' is a bare grain.
Do you realize a single cell contains all the information about us and our works do follow us?
Do you realize to go from one 'realm' to the other' only takes the 'twinkling of an eye'?

Did you know that 'knowledge' that has never been known by any other generation is being opened up to us?

Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Daniel 12:3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

Daniel 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.


Did you know that in 1948 the 'seven times' punishment ended for Judah? It's all coming together and it is happening quickly. Just as it is written.

There is none good no not one.

 

[kleronomos]

There is none good no not one.

Thank God for the Lord Jesus Christ and the gift of Salvation

 

[Amanuensis]

Thank God for the Lord Jesus Christ and the gift of Salvation

For those who believe. There is no free gift of salvation for the unjust dead. Nor will there be when they are raised. But I don't want to argue with anyone about these things.
Keep reading the bible and use good evangelical commentaries. Don't trust your own private interpretations. If no one who has written in the past 1000 years agrees with your interpretations they are probably wrong and if you think they are not you might be delusional. I say that in the nicest way possible.