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throughfaith

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Matthew 7:21-24, below, makes it clear that some people who think they are known of the Lord are in fact wrong. The bible provides numerous examples of what one can expect upon receiving the Holy Spirit. (Acts 2, 8, 10, 19)

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:"
What do we expect from Acts 2 to happen today?
 

EternalFire

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This scripture actually specifies that the Spirit is a he not an it. Jesus' statement indicates that the disciples know him. He is who dwelleth with them and will later be in them.

"Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you."
You may find this article helpful.

https://restitutio.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Sean-Finnegan-Translating-the-Holy-Spirit.pdf
 

KelbyofGod

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In Acts 19 Paul asked a group of believers if they had received the Holy Ghost. Amazingly (compared to today) they admitted not only that they didn't have it but that they hadn't even heard about the Holy Ghost (that they could receive).

Notice what Paul then did. He checked to see if they had the right baptism, (and baptized them correctly when that was also missing). Then he laid hands on them (in prayer) for them to receive the Holy Spirit...and they actually received it!

Paul knew what the Holy Ghost is and how to tell when a person has received it.

Notice what Paul DIDN'T do... He didn't say "Now that you are a believer, you have the Holy Ghost" because he knew the difference.

Paul knew (knows) that people need to believe AND be baptized (correctly) AND receive the Holy Ghost (for real... not just be told they have the Holy Ghost).

Praise God for preachers like Paul who bring truth to the unlearned! (Romans 10:15)

Love in Jesus,
Kelby
 

Jackson123

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Is this another attempt to relate the Pentecostal signs of tongues to salvation? While Pentecostals refuse to openly declare that their knowledge of actual possession of salvation rests on their belief that they speak or pray in tongues they imply that to be a supposed truth.

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I don't think so. The fruit of the Spirit is Love. We know that the spirit/Holy Spirit in us if we bear the fruit/ love.
 

Pilgrimshope

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In Acts 19 Paul asked a group of believers if they had received the Holy Ghost. Amazingly (compared to today) they admitted not only that they didn't have it but that they hadn't even heard about the Holy Ghost (that they could receive).

Notice what Paul then did. He checked to see if they had the right baptism, (and baptized them correctly when that was also missing). Then he laid hands on them (in prayer) for them to receive the Holy Spirit...and they actually received it!

Paul knew what the Holy Ghost is and how to tell when a person has received it.

Notice what Paul DIDN'T do... He didn't say "Now that you are a believer, you have the Holy Ghost" because he knew the difference.

Paul knew (knows) that people need to believe AND be baptized (correctly) AND receive the Holy Ghost (for real... not just be told they have the Holy Ghost).

Praise God for preachers like Paul who bring truth to the unlearned! (Romans 10:15)

Love in Jesus,
Kelby
you can’t receive what you haven’t heard , all things by faith

“For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:13-15, 17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

they had been baptized in Johns name being johns disciples and never were told the doctrine of the Holy Ghost which was later in Jesus ministry .

johns ministry was also preaching Christ but his name had not been declared as it was after his resurrection. They hadn’t received the holy sporit because they hadn’t even heard there was such a thing

to be honest many have that issue now days we refuse to believe the true gospel so we may
Mention the term Holy Spirit or repeat a verse about how we’re saved by the spirit but until we hear the truth about things we can’t believe the truth

Many points of learning are in scripture about the Holy Spirit but we tend to argue about the basics and never get around to understanding

if we could become fools and then learn scripture we would be made wise
 

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What do we expect from Acts 2 to happen today?
The Acts record provides mankind with a roadmap that all must follow in pursuit of the new birth experience. Throughout scripture God has required man's obedience in one form or another in connection with His provision(s). Receiving God's Spirit is a necessary component of the new birth experience as clearly seen in Acts 2 as well as other chapters.
 

Pilgrimshope

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The Acts record provides mankind with a roadmap that all must follow in pursuit of the new birth experience. Throughout scripture God has required man's obedience in one form or another in connection with His provision(s). Receiving God's Spirit is a necessary component of the new birth experience as clearly seen in Acts 2 as well as other chapters.
indeed it is the new birth entirely
 

throughfaith

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The Acts record provides mankind with a roadmap that all must follow in pursuit of the new birth experience. Throughout scripture God has required man's obedience in one form or another in connection with His provision(s). Receiving God's Spirit is a necessary component of the new birth experience as clearly seen in Acts 2 as well as other chapters.
I wouldn't go by the book of Acts as the normative experience for today . There are 29 different conversion accounts in the book of Acts .The acts of the apostles is an account of what happened . Its an account of the transitions from OT to NT , from Jew to Gentiles ,to jew and gentiies in one body .
 

Wansvic

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indeed it is the new birth entirely
Obedience to the command for repentance and water baptism in Jesus' name are components of the new birth experience as well.
 

Wansvic

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I wouldn't go by the book of Acts as the normative experience for today . There are 29 different conversion accounts in the book of Acts .The acts of the apostles is an account of what happened . Its an account of the transitions from OT to NT , from Jew to Gentiles ,to jew and gentiies in one body .
The Acts of the Apostles outlines when and how the NT church was birthed. Peter said the promise was for all those the Lord thy God would call. This indicated that the same message carried to the world by the Apostles was to continue generation after generation until Jesus' return.

All of the instructions initially given on Pentecost are seen being carried out in their entirety in multiple chapters of the Book of Acts. In addition, there are records that touch on one or more components specifically; ie, belief, repentance, water baptism, receiving the infilling of the Holy Ghost. Just because a scripture touches on only one of the components does in know way diminish the need for full compliance to the God inspired commands.
 

throughfaith

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The Acts of the Apostles outlines when and how the NT church was birthed. Peter said the promise was for all those the Lord thy God would call. This indicated that the same message carried to the world by the Apostles was to continue generation after generation until Jesus' return.

All of the instructions initially given on Pentecost are seen being carried out in their entirety in multiple chapters of the Book of Acts. In addition, there are records that touch on one or more components specifically; ie, belief, repentance, water baptism, receiving the infilling of the Holy Ghost. Just because a scripture touches on only one of the components does in know way diminish the need for full compliance to the God inspired commands.
There's no apostle to the gentiles until Acts 9 . No Paul ,no 13 epistles to the CHURCH. No mysteries revealed ect ..Peter doesn't catch on until Acts 11 many years after Acts 2.
 

ForestGreenCook

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From Romans 8:9

So many who frequent the BDF claim to know Christ but don't even know what His spirit is, or how to know whether someone has (or has not) the Spirit of Christ.
As a side result, because they don't know how to tell what it is, or if the Spirit of Christ is in someone else, they actually don't know if it(He) is in themselves.

I'll let the readers debate this topic but please understand that your salvation kind of depends on getting the answer right.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby
Why do you think that getting the answer right would depend on our eternal salvation?
 
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Notice what Paul DIDN'T do... He didn't say "Now that you are a believer, you have the Holy Ghost" because he knew the difference.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby
As people have been telling you, avoid getting doctrine, especially salvation doctrine from the book of Acts.

Ephesians 1:13
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

He would be contradicting himself here, if your interpretation of what Paul said in Acts was correct.
 

throughfaith

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The Acts of the Apostles outlines when and how the NT church was birthed. Peter said the promise was for all those the Lord thy God would call. This indicated that the same message carried to the world by the Apostles was to continue generation after generation until Jesus' return.

All of the instructions initially given on Pentecost are seen being carried out in their entirety in multiple chapters of the Book of Acts. In addition, there are records that touch on one or more components specifically; ie, belief, repentance, water baptism, receiving the infilling of the Holy Ghost. Just because a scripture touches on only one of the components does in know way diminish the need for full compliance to the God inspired commands.
When Peter said that ,he's not thinking gentiles . Not until acts 11 do we see Peter understand the ministry to the gentiles ..He's still following on from Jesus and John the baptist about the Kingdom. They are expecting this ..Acts 1.6 “When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?”
 

KelbyofGod

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As people have been telling you, avoid getting doctrine, especially salvation doctrine from the book of Acts.

Ephesians 1:13
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

He would be contradicting himself here, if your interpretation of what Paul said in Acts was correct.
How is it that you advise throwing out the written word of God as unreliable?

Acts shows us what it looks like when scriptures like Ephesians 1:13 are being fulfilled.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby
 

throughfaith

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How is it that you advise throwing out the written word of God as unreliable?
He's say that the book of Acts is the Acts of the apostles. its dangerous to derive doctrines from a transitional book .
 

KelbyofGod

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He's say that the book of Acts is the Acts of the apostles. its dangerous to derive doctrines from a transitional book .
Where, in the book someone named "the Acts of the Apostles", does GOD actually call it that? And where does GOD say it can't be trusted? I don't find these things written in the word of God. Are we supposed to trust the teachings of man as more reliable than what God actually gave us?

Also, are you suggesting we throw out Matthew-John because there was a transition from trusting priests and traditions to following the teachings of both John the Baptist and those of Jesus? Those we're significant transitions.

Who exactly told you that you can't trust certain books of the Bible? Was it GOD...or Man?

Love in Jesus,
Kelby
 

throughfaith

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Where, in the book someone named "the Acts of the Apostles", does GOD actually call it that? And where does GOD say it can't be trusted? I don't find these things written in the word of God. Are we supposed to trust the teachings of man as more reliable than what God actually gave us?

Also, are you suggesting we throw out Matthew-John because there was a transition from trusting priests and traditions to following the teachings of both John the Baptist and those of Jesus? Those we're significant transitions.

Who exactly told you that you can't trust certain books of the Bible? Was it GOD...or Man?

Love in Jesus,
Kelby
its you that is using terms such as ' throw out ' Can't trust ' . Why ?