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No bare breasts are gorgeous and only gay men and the self righteous secret peakers-pretend-to think other wise
You can not walk with God and think like you do.

Do what you do.....but without God or the Holy Spirit.

You have never been in God's/Jesus' presence ,correct?

It is called conviction. Any man of God could do what you do.
But it would break their heart and much sorrow to regain the intimacy again.
 
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This is so sad to to read. Nudity equals sex? really? And some people are even being lawful like the pharisees. Control your hearts and minds, and you wont be tempted . You can be much stronger in christ and battle the enemy than you currently are. This is what God desires, total dedication, not some half hearted attempt, come on guys, you can do it!
 

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Christian: One who is born from above by Spirit and water. One who is a new creation. One who god has removed the heart of stone and replaced a heart of flesh, causing you to walk in his commands and keep his judgements. One who hates the world and worldly things at the same time longs to please the Lord above all things.

Reading some of your posts I'd say it's likely that you're not Christian.
a Christian is a disciple of Jesus .

“And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭11:26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The term Christian is born there , discipleship is what it’s about to his gospel. What some of you are missing is it’s about being made holy by him through our faith in his word.

Obeying a law that states” don’t do this “ cant Make a person holy , holiness is when it’s a new nature for you to keep his ways and judgements. For a person who wants to sin , and By thier will doesn’t , that’s not what Christianity is .

people who look at what others do and say aren’t looking at Christ’s word at all because his word , his commands turn eyes inward at ourself. It’s Jesus judgement who to accept and reject certainly not ours.

When you plant a seed , you don’t trample the sprout trying to harvest mature fruit .


Jesus is about this

“But their scribes and Pharisees murmured against his disciples, saying, Why do ye eat and drink with publicans and sinners?

And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick. I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭5:30-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the Pharisees were comparing thier life to the sinners who had come to Jesus . It’s funny because those who imagined they needed no repentance rejected him and judges the “ sinners” who heard his message and came to the lord for forgiveness.

Sinners do this when they hear the gospel being preached

Then drew near unto him all the publicans and sinners for to hear him.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭15:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

while the religious who needed no repentance are found standing back judging others who eant
To hear Jesus and accept the things he’s saying . We should always be careful about looking at another and judging thier relationship with God.

we all have to answer for our own deeds not the other guys , we should look into mercy for others and see what the lord says about it before we decide who is a disciple of the lord Jesus who came
With a message intended for those who don’t pretend thier holy but acknowledge their sins

Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother?

for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:4, 10-13‬ ‭
 

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I am told that is wrong but i fail to see the wrong doing in looking at one of gods creations-the female form
Yeah so you've probably heard it's wrong one hundred times over just like homosexuals have heard it a thousand times over. Another time is not going to do anything. Holy Spirit just needs to show you, if you're a Christian as you say you are, you'll find out.
 

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a Christian is a disciple of Jesus .

“And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭11:26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The term Christian is born there , discipleship is what it’s about to his gospel. What some of you are missing is it’s about being made holy by him through our faith in his word.

Obeying a law that states” don’t do this “ cant Make a person holy , holiness is when it’s a new nature for you to keep his ways and judgements. For a person who wants to sin , and By thier will doesn’t , that’s not what Christianity is .

people who look at what others do and say aren’t looking at Christ’s word at all because his word , his commands turn eyes inward at ourself. It’s Jesus judgement who to accept and reject certainly not ours.

When you plant a seed , you don’t trample the sprout trying to harvest mature fruit .


Jesus is about this

“But their scribes and Pharisees murmured against his disciples, saying, Why do ye eat and drink with publicans and sinners?

And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick. I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭5:30-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the Pharisees were comparing thier life to the sinners who had come to Jesus . It’s funny because those who imagined they needed no repentance rejected him and judges the “ sinners” who heard his message and came to the lord for forgiveness.

Sinners do this when they hear the gospel being preached

Then drew near unto him all the publicans and sinners for to hear him.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭15:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

while the religious who needed no repentance are found standing back judging others who eant
To hear Jesus and accept the things he’s saying . We should always be careful about looking at another and judging thier relationship with God.

we all have to answer for our own deeds not the other guys , we should look into mercy for others and see what the lord says about it before we decide who is a disciple of the lord Jesus who came
With a message intended for those who don’t pretend thier holy but acknowledge their sins

Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother?

for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:4, 10-13‬ ‭
Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
Go back and read his posts and then read my response before vomiting all over your keyboard towards me.
 

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Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
Go back and read his posts and then read my response before vomiting all over your keyboard towards me.
your maturity in Christ is astounding

And no thanks I’m looking for people who are able to hear the gospel
 
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I think you already know the answer to your question.

Doubly so since you seem to intentionally be stirring division.

The real question is, why do you call yourself a Christian if you seek your own will? What in your mind makes you a Christian?
 
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I think you already know the answer to your question.

Doubly so since you seem to intentionally be stirring division.

The real question is, why do you call yourself a Christian if you seek your own will? What in your mind makes you a Christian?

The real question is, why do you call yourself a Christian if you seek your own will? What in your mind makes you a Christian?

His profile can shed light on that for you....
 
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The real question is, why do you call yourself a Christian if you seek your own will? What in your mind makes you a Christian?

His profile can shed light on that for you....
The question was somewhat rhetorical. Seems pretty clear he's caught in a modern confusion that it's possible to be a Christian without being a disciple.
 

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Sorry but I’m not making an excuse for my sin-that’s the point i do not believe that looking at attractive beautiful creatures is a sin. Also you may not have read my reply to another person where I stated that I do not ‘follow’ my posters anymore than my parents obsessively look at the pictures of the titanic and the country scene they have on their walls. They do not distract me from my bible studying,my physical activities or my spiritual life. I am not in my opinion doing anything wrong by having beautiful images on my wall. I a only posted the question because a fellow Christian ✝️ said it was wrong-but gave no valid answer as to why.

thank you old chap 👴 such a great honest helpful non judgmental answer 👍

So, if it is beautiful pictures you are looking at, does that mean you also look at beautiful pictures of mountains and oceans? Or tigers or lions in their natural habitat? Or newborn babies? Or birds? Or wedding pictures full of joy? It seems like you have a very narrow idea about what constitutes beauty. I try to have a bouquet of flowers in the rooms of my house, which I picked from my garden. They are so beautiful to me. I have pictures of my grandchildren and children, because they are so beautiful to me.

Maybe you are limiting your definition of beauty. God didn't just create women. He created men, and the whole beautiful earth. And the stars and the heavens, for that matter. Try finding some pictures of other beautiful things to put up in your bedroom. Try and seek inner beauty, too! There are people who seem ugly on the outside, but when you get to know them, they have a beautiful spirit.

Here are some quotes from the Bible about beauty. I think after reading them, you will find them to counter your idea. Just because a mentor failed to give you the correct verses, doesn't mean they aren't there!

"Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as elaborate hairstyles and the wearing of gold jewelry or fine clothes. 4 Rather, it should be that of your inner self, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God’s sight." 1 Peter 3:3-4

" Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things. 9 Whatever you have learned or received or heard from me, or seen in me—put it into practice. And the God of peace will be with you." Phil. 4:8-9 (I don't think Paul is commending soft porn on your walls, in this passage!)

"Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. 6 The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace. 7 The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. 8 Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God." Romans 8:5-8

Here's a verse telling you how beautiful flowers are! From the Sermon on the Mount!)

"“And why do you worry about clothes? See how the flowers of the field grow. They do not labor or spin. 29 Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these." Matt 6:28-29

" I have seen the burden God has laid on the human race. 11 He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity in the human heart; yet no one can fathom what God has done from beginning to end." Eccl. 3:10-11

"Charm is deceptive, and beauty is fleeting;
but a woman who fears the Lord is to be praised." Prov 31:30

No where in the Bible, except perhaps Song of Solomon, does God call for us to physically admire one another. Rather, we are to love people for their character. Read all of Prov. 31 from verse 10 to the end. See what are the beautiful things this woman has. Not a word about physical beauty!

Which reminds me. You say these women are not married on your walls. Do you have proof of that? Let's say they are not married, are they Christians? I doubt many or any Christian women would be dressing up in scanty clothes so random men like you can have their lusty thoughts in the confines of their own room. Do you realize these poor women are likely all going to hell? Have you thought of praying for their salvation? Instead of leering at them, pray daily for each one to be saved. God knows where they are. Instead of soft porn and lust, do as God commands us to do - pray for the lost and witness to them. I hope they will become more like needy human beings to you, needing God, as you pray. Put up pictures of the beautiful earth, to contrast and reflect on what God has created, by giving us this planet. I hope you will one day grow up and realize what you are doing is far from the heart of God.

"But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not look on his appearance or on the height of his stature, because I have rejected him. For the Lord sees not as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart.”" 1 Sam. 16:7

"but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed. 15 Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death." James 1:14-15
 

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This is so sad to to read. Nudity equals sex? really? And some people are even being lawful like the pharisees. Control your hearts and minds, and you wont be tempted . You can be much stronger in christ and battle the enemy than you currently are. This is what God desires, total dedication, not some half hearted attempt, come on guys, you can do it!
Really , watching a seniors nudist mixed bowling league night is on my top ten list of things not to see
 

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To my understanding they read the gospels,the bible they seek to do the best for others,they love the way of the lord Jesus,they pray daily,they make a commitment to be baptised when they are fully aware of the meaning and they love 💓 love and 💕
Ooops! Missed repentance!

Without repentance, you cannot be a Christian. I had people witnessing to me for years, telling me how much Jesus loved me, and I needed to follow him. It all rang hollow. Then I met my future husband and he told me I needed to repent of my sins, and BANG! God saved me. I had prayed for my father for my whole Christian walk - over 31 years. I gave him a Bible, gospel presentations, and tried to be a good witness by my life, which he noticed!

But, my husband and I finally sat him down, and I did the "Jesus loves you" part, and my husband said "You need to repent of your sins." My father prayed immediately and was saved. So saved that he witnessed to every nurse and doctor in the hospitals where he was dying.

Repentance is missing in your life, which is why you sit here defending yourself that you are not doing anything wrong, looking at smut. What you are doing to those women is a sin. Until you repent of it, take the pictures down, you literally are not saved.

"Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord, " Acts 3:19
 
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No bare breasts are gorgeous and only gay men and the self righteous secret peakers-pretend-to think other wise
Hey Michael,

I agree! They are.

But just because they're beautiful doesn't mean it's good for you. Here's why.

1. Having posters of naked women is giving in to short time preferences. It's instant gratification. But it truly does come at a longer term cost. That longer term cost is the inability to get an erection when you get older. You've see it all already, so what's to get excited about seeing your own woman's boobs for the 1000th time? The less porn you watch, the easier it'll be for you to get hard when you're older. That's one reason you really want to run from sexual sin.

2. Porn (whether it's poster or movies or stories or whatever) generally leads to masturbation. Masturbation reduces your drive for the real thing. That drive for sex is a good thing and is helps us males to accomplish greatness. Historically men will go do great things with at least part of the goal being to bag a top tier woman. If you are in the habit of just closing your eyes and rubbing yourself, then your drive for the real thing will be quench by the imaginary. You won't even have the motivation to go out and ask a real woman on a date.

3. Naked woman posters on your wall is an indicator of something worse that either of the previous points. It's an indicator that women have power over you. This is a great fail for men. As men we should be in command of our thoughts. Nothing is better than dismissing a haughty woman that thinks she can bat her eyelashes at you and get her way. Don't let a woman rule you - no matter how good she looks.

**points 2 and 3 above are not contradictory. If you think they are, then spend some more time thinking about it.
 

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I am told that is wrong but i fail to see the wrong doing in looking at one of gods creations-the female form
First, the modern definition of adultery has nothing to do with God's definition, and the word woman in the verse which says, If any man looks at a woman to dwell on his lust for her he has committed adultery with her in his heart had a completely different meaning to Jesus and His audience than we modern people have created for it. How do you know? How many wives did David have BEFORE he committed adultery, how many did he take afterwards? How many times is Solomon accused of adultery? Hint ... zero. Just of taking foreign wives. Moses had multiple wives, shoot, God says He took two wives and they committed adultery against Him. How many wives can you take before you commit adultery again? ANybodies definition of adultery make God Himself guilty enough to stone dead for sin?

We redefine things shoving modern meanings back into ancient words. Example. We use the Greek word pneuma, in out modern word pneumatic. It is also used of the Holy Spirit. If we can take modern meanings and shove them back into the ancient words then questions like, how big a compressor does the Holy Spirit need to run? or How big an air hose does the Holy Spirit have? What powers the Holy Spirits compressor? Become valid questions. We shove our modern meaning for the word pornography into the word for fornication or sexual sin as it is listed throughout the O.T. law. yet, those principles are completely lacking from every single verse.

The question isn't, can we justify everything we want to believe "as" truth. Of course we can. Everyone can. All we have to do is :

1.) Gather everything we can use to prove our beliefs true.
2.) Gather everything we can use to prove all opposing beliefs false.
3.) Interpret all of our selected data(1-2 above) in the light of our beliefs
4.) Interpret everything else in the light of 1-3 above.
5.) Explain away, discredit, ignore, change the definitions of, reinterpret, ... anything that might seem to discredit our beliefs.
6.) Come up with other reasons to believe whatever we "want to believe" "as" truth.
7.) Our belief group is the oldest, largest, is most highly educated, is the wealthiest, fastest growing, we have a burning in the bosom, tongues, signs, wonders, we cast out demons, a statue of the virgin Mary came to life and said worship me and the one true church the Roman Catholic church ...

But if you do the things above, you don't want anything at all to do with truth. Plus the more you do of those things the more your eyes and ears will be closed to even considering anything else. You do those things if you HATE truth and want nothing ever to do with it. Belief groups do not exist to get anyone to truth.

Belief groups exist to teach, promote, evangelize, defend ... the belief group's beliefs "as" truth.

That which you love least is always forced to conform to that which you love most. Everyone either loves the truth or they love their beliefs.

Frankly, God couldn't care less about pictures, murals, drawings ... he is concerned with unlawful sex, which is listed in detail in the scripture. Sure we can "make up" scriptures that aren't really there, or do not have the meaning we want to force into them, but if we stick to the scriptures, God's opinion of morality, and that of those who claim to be His people have very little in common.
 

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Yes.

And I'm sure that when you look at them, you'realways imagining all of these women reading the Bible.

Hmm... We had another poster here not too long ago who was always preaching that images of scantily-clad women were to be seen as "artistic," and that he spent much of his time perusing them on the internet.

I'm just curious -- if you were dating a woman who had her walls covered with pictures of good-looking, semi-naked men, would it be a problem for you, or would you encourage her in doing so, as you seem to be looking for?

After all, she could argue the same thing -- that she was simply admiring the male form.
The question then becomes, what do we do with first Corinthians seven. What type of touching is going on in verse one that results in the possible outcome listed in verse 2? Let them marry, they have not sinned... yet the reasons for seeking to get married in this chapter all have to do with uncontrolled desire ... not having kids, but rather, unless both are in agreement, you do not even take time off for prayer... sexual satisfaction of both parties lest you be tempted ... Now the question is, is lust engaged before you get ot verse 1 in 1 co. or do you just walk up to someone and start touching? That of course gets into the if any man looks at a woman to dwell on his lust for her he has committed adultery with her in his heart. Of course the word for woman used is the only word for married woman available, and adultery can only occur with a woman married to a man still living. Don't believe me? How many wives did David have BEFORE he committed adultery? How many did he take afterwards? How many wives and concubines did Solomon not only look at naked, buyt had sex with? Cases of adultery listed in scripture? God says He took two wives and they committed adultery against Him. How many wives do I have to take before I am accused of adultery? We change God's definitions and His meaning be cause we hate truth. We do not want to see it. We want to justify what we want to believe and feel self-righteous. We nullify the commands of God that He did give to hold fast to the traditions of men which we teach as commandments of God.

When we have the truth, every passage that might pertain to the topic at hand will have been gathered and examined. And when we have the correct interpretation of "everything that might apply" God, God's word and God's people will be 100% consistent in all they say and do, and in all they don't say and don't do. If something doesn't fit it is because we are believing lies as truth and truth to be lies. God reproves those who He loves when they sin. Yet, looking at 1000 women naked, and indeed, having sex and children with them was not Solomon's sin. God reproved him for taking foreign wives. Who gave David his wives, even the wives of his enemies? When do you become a wife/husband/one, according to scripture? You are not officially married until what event occurs?

Logic, reason, rational thought ... think your way through people? Do you love truth or do you love what you want to believe "as" truth?


2Th 2:10 and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved. 11 For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false, 12 in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness.

If you do not love truth more than any or all of your beliefs, you will get whatever you need to believe whatever you want to believe as truth. Look around you. Look at all the other belief groups in the world. Every person who does not love truth more than their beliefs gets everything they need to believe anything and everything they want.
 

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Matthew 5 -

"27 You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’e 28 But I say to you that everyone looking upon a woman in order to lust after her already has committed adultery with her in his heart." [e Exodus 20:14; Deuteronomy 5:18... "But I say to you..."]



...except photos don't count?? (doubt that)


["a woman" in Matthew 26:7 also]
 

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As for the 1 Corinthians 7 passage, there is some question as to the actual wording in verses 36-38 (and that is reflected in the various versions: [LISTED-->] https://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/7-37.htm ... some versions say it one way, some say it the other way )...

... the following, FOR EXAMPLE, is from the ASV (see esp. vv.36-38... and compare this version with the other versions that translate it in this same general way, for those few verses):

Instructions to Unmarried and Widowed

25 Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: but I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be trustworthy. 26 I think therefore that this is good by reason of the distress that is upon us, namely, that it is good for a man to be as he is. 27 Art thou bound unto a wife? Seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? Seek not a wife. 28 But shouldest thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned. Yet such shall have tribulation in the flesh: and I would spare you. 29 But this I say, brethren, the time is shortened, that henceforth both those that have wives may be as though they had none; 30 and those that weep, as though they wept not; and those that rejoice, as though they rejoiced not; and those that buy, as though they possessed not; 31 and those that use the world, as not using it to the full: for the fashion of this world passeth away.

32 But I would have you to be free from cares. He that is unmarried is careful for the things of the Lord, how he may please the Lord: 33 but he that is married is careful for the things of the world, how he may please his wife, 34 and is divided.' so also the woman that is unmarried and the virgin is careful for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married is careful for the things of the world, how she may please her husband. 35 And this I say for your own profit; not that I may cast a snare upon you, but for that which is seemly, and that ye may attend upon the Lord without distraction.

36 But if any man thinketh that he behaveth himself unseemly toward his virgin daughter , if she be past the flower of her age, and if need so requireth, let him do what he will; he sinneth not; let them marry. 37 But he that standeth stedfast in his heart, having no necessity, but hath power as touching in his own heart, to keep his own virgin daughter , shall do well. 38 So then both he that giveth his own virgin daughter in marriage doeth well; and he that giveth her not in marriage shall do better.

39 A wife is bound for so long time as her husband liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is free to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord. 40 But she is happier if she abide as she is, after my judgment: and I think that I also have the Spirit of God.
 
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I am told that is wrong but i fail to see the wrong doing in looking at one of gods creations-the female form
When I was a boy my chore was to clean out the stalls and pens in the barn. Between the pigs and chickens I couldn't tell ya what was worse. Of course cows came in a close second😏
I noticed that the longer I stayed in the barns the less noticeable the smell was. But for a person who would check on me to see if I needed a hand would always say 'how can you stand that smell" my reply would be what smell?

You say you fail to see what's wrong and are you in the wrong. Let me ask you this .....is God wrong?
Eve looked for her own pleasure upon the tree. Then ate of it. Paul says stay away from all appearance of evil. Proverbs ask if one can take fire into his bosom without getting burned?
Many times I am asked to have a beer or a drink by those who wish to hear the good news. Nothing wrong with that but I dont. It would not give the right example in which I stand and I don't think it brings God any glory. I could justify it to say it might knock down walls and barriers of the holy than tho attitude people look for in a christian. Bottom line it doesn't please God ....so stop.
 

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The original poster's username now says banned (I'm not sure how long it's been like that but I noticed it yesterday,) so the original poster might be able to read replies as a guest, but he can no longer respond to them.

Nonetheless, the continuing discussion has been informative, even without the author of the thread present.
 

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