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throughfaith

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Noah built an ark.

" you need a verse for that"

Uh no.
Not necessary.
Yes you need a verse that says Noah built an Ark otherwise we've made it up . Thankfully we have one ( or two )
 

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What about Jesus is good news ? being born as a baby ?
John 3:16 “ For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
 

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John 3:16 “ For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
No resurrection there ?
 

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John 3:16 “ For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Yes at least we have something to work with there . But the good news is not " Jesus" or 'Genesis to revelation " . This is what some are saying ..Just a generic statement.
 

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No resurrection there ?
Try Romans 6 read the whole chapter.

Here's one verse that backs up John 3:16 perfectly.
Roman 6
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Sounds to me like Jesus is the good news. There are many more scriptures that bears this out.

Romans 5
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
 

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You're not even able to engage anything I say. You haven't supported your beliefs and you haven't refuted mine.

I have proven that election is for service. I have many more verses too.

How many verses have you found that link election with salvation?
Man is in a hopeless situation naturally.
 

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None of TULIP is biblical.

T - total depravity. If calvinism had stopped with "man cannot save himself", that is true. However, calvinism goes TOO FAR by also claiming that man can't believe until regenerated, or some such notion. That God causes man (only certain ones) to believe. In fact, God is pleased to save those who believe. 1 Cor 1:21, previously shared with you.

U - unconditional election. Calvinism errs by misunderstanding Scripture (like yourself) and thinking election is to salvation. It is to service. If it was to salvation, then election CANNOT be unconditional. Salvation is always conditioned on faith. Eph 2;8,9

L - limited atonement. Wrong. Christ died for everyone. Many verses say exactly that. 2 Cor 5:14,15, 1 Peter 3:18, 1 John 2:2, 1 Tim 4:10, etc.

I - irresistible grace. Acts 7:51 says that men resist the Holy Spirit.

P - now this is tricky. If the "P" refers to preservation" then YES, salvation is eternally secure. But if the "P" refers to perseverance of the saints, nope. Believers are commanded to "stay true" to the faith, (Acts 11:23, 14:22) or "continue in the faith" (Col 1:23).

such commands are not only needless but silly IF IF IF all believers will persevere in the faith.

In fact, Jesus clearly noted that some believers (second soil) will "believe for a while and in time of testing, will fall away".
All of Tulip is biblical.
 

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I know what Calvinism which is why I just confidently denounced it. I'll just stick with what the Bible says. You've been told it's a false gospel now you need to understand why. If you want my help I'll be here.
So again, Do you know what the acronym TULIP stands for ?
 

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My reasons are scripture. If it was what the bible said then i would believe it .
Thats a bogus reason since TULIP is supported by scripture. Do you know what the acronym TULIP stands for ?
 

throughfaith

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Try Romans 6 read the whole chapter.

Here's one verse that backs up John 3:16 perfectly.
Roman 6
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Sounds to me like Jesus is the good news. There are many more scriptures that bears this out.

Romans 5
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
" Jesus is the good news " . Yes but what about Jesus and when ? His birth ? If you were there at his birth what about Jesus would you say was good news ? It certainly was bad news for the disciples when Jesus died. They were distraught at his death . They also didn't believe the resurrection either . So the resurrection was not good news for them until later. Imagine us today not seeing the death and resurrection as good news ?
 

throughfaith

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Thats a bogus reason since TULIP is supported by scripture. Do you know what the acronym TULIP stands for ?
I'm not questioning how a calvinist ' supports' his doctrines by scripture. A jehovah witness ' supports ' his doctrines with scripture . I said none of Calvinism s central doctrines are explicitly stated . Not one time does the bible SAY what the Calvinist teaches .
 

throughfaith

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Try Romans 6 read the whole chapter.

Here's one verse that backs up John 3:16 perfectly.
Roman 6
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Sounds to me like Jesus is the good news. There are many more scriptures that bears this out.

Romans 5
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Tell an atheist " Jesus is good news " for what he might ask .
 
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You're not even able to engage anything I say. You haven't supported your beliefs and you haven't refuted mine.

I have proven that election is for service. I have many more verses too.

How many verses have you found that link election with salvation?
Man is in a hopeless situation naturally.
I see no relevance with what you posted in response to what I posted.

The issue is about election. But, yes, man is born in a hopeless situation naturally.

But so what? Everyone can receive the free gift of eternal life. By trusting in the work of Christ.

Are you aware that Titus 2:11 says that the grace of God brings salvation to all men (everyone). Do you believe that?
 
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All of Tulip is biblical.
OK, I just gave verses that refutes the calvinist claims.

And you don't even attempt to prove me wrong. What's up with that?

OK, you claim all of tulip is biblical.

Then quote a verse for EACH point. Like I did which refutes each point.
 
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Thats a bogus reason since TULIP is supported by scripture. Do you know what the acronym TULIP stands for ?
OK, if tulip is supported by Scripture, please quote at least one verse for each point.

I don't think you can. In fact, I know you can't.
 

throughfaith

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None of TULIP is biblical.

T - total depravity. If calvinism had stopped with "man cannot save himself", that is true. However, calvinism goes TOO FAR by also claiming that man can't believe until regenerated, or some such notion. That God causes man (only certain ones) to believe. In fact, God is pleased to save those who believe. 1 Cor 1:21, previously shared with you.

U - unconditional election. Calvinism errs by misunderstanding Scripture (like yourself) and thinking election is to salvation. It is to service. If it was to salvation, then election CANNOT be unconditional. Salvation is always conditioned on faith. Eph 2;8,9

L - limited atonement. Wrong. Christ died for everyone. Many verses say exactly that. 2 Cor 5:14,15, 1 Peter 3:18, 1 John 2:2, 1 Tim 4:10, etc.

I - irresistible grace. Acts 7:51 says that men resist the Holy Spirit.

P - now this is tricky. If the "P" refers to preservation" then YES, salvation is eternally secure. But if the "P" refers to perseverance of the saints, nope. Believers are commanded to "stay true" to the faith, (Acts 11:23, 14:22) or "continue in the faith" (Col 1:23).

such commands are not only needless but silly IF IF IF all believers will persevere in the faith.

In fact, Jesus clearly noted that some believers (second soil) will "believe for a while and in time of testing, will fall away".
Your estimation is right . The only thing to say is on the P . They teach it as eternal security ( which i do hold to ) but its for all practical purposes its works salvation. You have to look constantly to your works in order to keep on trying to guess if your really one of the elect all along. It leads to fear and its essentially ' Lordship salvation ' .
 

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The natural man in carnality/flesh is enmity against God Rom 8:7

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

It the carnal natural man cannot be subject to God, obey God, so forget about having Faith, because Faith is a Spiritual obedience !
Verse 8: “So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.” And that’s the truth. There is no way that an unsaved man in this dispensation can please God. The flesh of an unsaved man operates on the basis of its senses; what it can see, touch, smell, hear, and feel. That is walking by sight. The Scriptures say, “without faith it is impossible to please him [God]” (Heb. 11:6). The Lord is pleased with praise and thanksgiving (Psa. 69:30–31), but the songs of the flesh deal with sex or romance or beauty, or drinking or men or women, or even nonsense. If a man wants to please God in the New Testament, then he will receive Christ and follow Scripture (1Thess. 4:1) and keep himself free to fight the battle to which God has called him (2 Tim. 2:4). Now, an unsaved man can get God’s attention with his prayers, like Cornelius did (Acts 10). God will often show mercy on an unsaved fellow who cries out to Him. After all, God “maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust” (Matt. 5:45). That’s God’s mercy to unsaved people. But when it comes to pleasing God, a man has to exercise faith in what God told him to do (Heb. 11:6). In this dispensation, God told men to believe on Jesus Christ for salvation (John 6:29). When that happens, then the man is no longer “in the flesh.” He is now “in the Spirit” (Rom. 8:9). With the new man living inside of him, the Christian can now please God by “making melody in your heart to the Lord” (Eph. 5:19). He now has the ability to follow Scripture in a way that will please God and to fight the good fight for Jesus Christ. Only in Christ can a man fulfill the purpose for which he was created (Rev. 4:11).