How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church
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This is not in the Bible...at all.
Not a suicide...a willing sacrifice. It is similar to suicide, but not synonymous.
Our sin was the reason for Jesus to allow himself to be killed. He intentionally provoked the Pharisees to "put Him to death" so that the cross could become the spiritual altar of His sacrifice for sin once and for all.
I know what you're trying to say. To be abundantly clear, the totality of human sin is the cause of His death (Act 2:23, 1 Pet 2:24), and the religious leaders physically put (committed) Him to death (Mt 26:59, Lk 22:2, 23:32), but He gave up His life willingly (Lk 23:46, Jn 10:18).
Much of what you are saying is technically correct, but they are not articulated well and can mislead others if you do not provide verses with your posts. Clear distinctions need to be made so that the word of God is not dishonored by making it appear to be contradictory.
"The Lord hates...those that cause controversy between brothers." (Prov 6:16)
Not a suicide...a willing sacrifice. It is similar to suicide, but not synonymous.
Our sin was the reason for Jesus to allow himself to be killed. He intentionally provoked the Pharisees to "put Him to death" so that the cross could become the spiritual altar of His sacrifice for sin once and for all.
I know what you're trying to say. To be abundantly clear, the totality of human sin is the cause of His death (Act 2:23, 1 Pet 2:24), and the religious leaders physically put (committed) Him to death (Mt 26:59, Lk 22:2, 23:32), but He gave up His life willingly (Lk 23:46, Jn 10:18).
Much of what you are saying is technically correct, but they are not articulated well and can mislead others if you do not provide verses with your posts. Clear distinctions need to be made so that the word of God is not dishonored by making it appear to be contradictory.
"The Lord hates...those that cause controversy between brothers." (Prov 6:16)
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The speakers work 4 me. I guess you could go right 2 u tube an type in targum.U may or may not get the video on Genesis 1:1
yes but that has 2 do with motive
i was taught both...lean not on your own understanding....Jesus is not easy 2 find..1The kingdom of god is like a hidden treasure..in other words people must struggle to find him...We on the other hand when not in spirit must try 2 b clear.
yes but that has 2 do with motive
i was taught both...lean not on your own understanding....Jesus is not easy 2 find..1The kingdom of god is like a hidden treasure..in other words people must struggle to find him...We on the other hand when not in spirit must try 2 b clear.
Paul placed rapture at the second coming which comes after the great trib
1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
Context is the second coming.
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
Context is the second coming.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
This is the second coming and the resurrection of the dead in Christ.
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up (Harpazo) together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
This is the rapture and it happens after the second coming of Christ which only happens once the great tribulation has ended. The Greek word for rapture is harpazo and that's the term used by Paul in verse 17.
1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
Context is the second coming.
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
Context is the second coming.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
This is the second coming and the resurrection of the dead in Christ.
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up (Harpazo) together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
This is the rapture and it happens after the second coming of Christ which only happens once the great tribulation has ended. The Greek word for rapture is harpazo and that's the term used by Paul in verse 17.
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...says the guy who cannot distinguish between: "our Rapture / SNATCH / caught up TO the meeting of the Lord IN THE AIR" / "OUR episynagoges UNTO HIM" and "the Day of the Lord [EARTHLY-located TIME PERIOD of JUDGMENTs unfolding]"
... thus blurs together into one big mish-mash of mush just what it is that Paul is actually conveying in 2Th2:3-9a (much of which entails the CHRONOLOGY / SEQUENCE... But one cannot see this "sequence / chronology" as long as one incorrectly EQUATES these two very DISTINCT things named above, as you continue to do)
Paul states in 1Th5:2-3 that "the Day of the Lord" ARRIVES exactly like the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR]" that comes upon a woman...
...you disagree with Paul, on that point.
... thus blurs together into one big mish-mash of mush just what it is that Paul is actually conveying in 2Th2:3-9a (much of which entails the CHRONOLOGY / SEQUENCE... But one cannot see this "sequence / chronology" as long as one incorrectly EQUATES these two very DISTINCT things named above, as you continue to do)
Paul states in 1Th5:2-3 that "the Day of the Lord" ARRIVES exactly like the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR]" that comes upon a woman...
...you disagree with Paul, on that point.
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How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church
Same way it became popular in the Early Church... People read their Bibles.
1 Thessalonians
4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
We must all go up to Him in the Rapture before we can come back down with Him seven years later, at His Second Coming, to Rule and Reign on Earth during the 1000 year Millennium. Be comforted by the Scriptures above because we are not appointed to endure God's wrath during the seven years of Tribulation which follow the Rapture. Do not choose to be left behind. Give your life to Jesus today.
Same way it became popular in the Early Church... People read their Bibles.
1 Thessalonians
4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
We must all go up to Him in the Rapture before we can come back down with Him seven years later, at His Second Coming, to Rule and Reign on Earth during the 1000 year Millennium. Be comforted by the Scriptures above because we are not appointed to endure God's wrath during the seven years of Tribulation which follow the Rapture. Do not choose to be left behind. Give your life to Jesus today.
No. He did not. That is what you have done by making a mishmash of the Rapture and the Second Coming. The entire issue boils down to poor comprehension. The first question to ask is this: "Can a coming for salvation be the same as a coming for damnation?" And the absurdity of your idea will become quite evident.
And if he really knew what the text states, he would not be going on about the word "fall" at all... because the word in our text (2Th2:3) is NOT "fall / to fall / pipto," ...as I've pointed out repeatedly (in fact, TWICE in my post that you quoted from, but conveniently LEFT OUT those two parts when grabbing it, to quote). 
The point is moot, see.
The point is moot, see.
And if he really knew what the text states, he would not be going on about the word "fall" at all... because the word in our text (2Th2:3) is NOT "fall / to fall / pipto," ...as I've pointed out repeatedly (in fact, TWICE in my post that you quoted from, but conveniently LEFT OUT those two parts when grabbing it, to quote).
The point is moot, see.
The point is moot, see.
You are the one "going on about" the word 'fall'.
The following verses speak of still-living persons who will have come to faith in/during/within the future Trib years (following our Rapture) who will, at the END of the Trib, ENTER the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom (in their mortal bodies, capable of reproducing / bearing children)... so will not be among those "condemned / experience damnation":
"he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved" -
Matthew 10:22 V-APA-NMS
GRK: ὁ δὲ ὑπομείνας εἰς τέλος
NAS: of My name, but it is the one who has endured to the end
KJV: but he that endureth to the end
INT: the [one who] however having endured to [the] end
Matthew 24:13 V-APA-NMS
GRK: ὁ δὲ ὑπομείνας εἰς τέλος
NAS: But the one who endures to the end,
KJV: But he that shall endure unto the end,
INT: the [one who] however having endured to [the] end
Mark 13:13 V-APA-NMS
GRK: ὁ δὲ ὑπομείνας εἰς τέλος
NAS: of My name, but the one who endures to the end,
KJV: but he that shall endure unto
INT: the [one] moreover having endured to [the] end
"he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved" -
Matthew 10:22 V-APA-NMS
GRK: ὁ δὲ ὑπομείνας εἰς τέλος
NAS: of My name, but it is the one who has endured to the end
KJV: but he that endureth to the end
INT: the [one who] however having endured to [the] end
Matthew 24:13 V-APA-NMS
GRK: ὁ δὲ ὑπομείνας εἰς τέλος
NAS: But the one who endures to the end,
KJV: But he that shall endure unto the end,
INT: the [one who] however having endured to [the] end
Mark 13:13 V-APA-NMS
GRK: ὁ δὲ ὑπομείνας εἰς τέλος
NAS: of My name, but the one who endures to the end,
KJV: but he that shall endure unto
INT: the [one] moreover having endured to [the] end
So when God says He will add/impose the plagues of this book (to those certain ones), it's not at all His "wrath" doing so?? Just HALF SO??
[ ^ and not just "the SEVEN LAST plagues" which the text states of them (7 Vials/7 LAST plagues), "For IN THEM the wrath of God IS COMPLETED" (NOT "is STARTED AND COMPLETED," as you suggest it says)]
[ ^ and not just "the SEVEN LAST plagues" which the text states of them (7 Vials/7 LAST plagues), "For IN THEM the wrath of God IS COMPLETED" (NOT "is STARTED AND COMPLETED," as you suggest it says)]