How do you get saved?

[Cameron143]

It is niether

The Holy Spirit coming into a person is actually the anointing of the spirit. as the spirit is poured out on us.. as the oil was poured out on Arron and his sons By Moses

The second is based on the first. the same spirit that is poured out on us, seals us until the day of redemption.

The baptism of the spirit. is God baptizing us into Christ, Into his Death, Into his body and into him.

HS baptism happens immediately on salvation and is the means of redemption of sin to and on all who believe, for there is no difference..

It is the same Spirit, of course. But one is the action of the Spirit, and the other is the action of Christ employing the Spirit. As I said, when the 2 separate actions are conflated, it always leads to confusion.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

I am aware of OT washings for different purposes. However, the NT ordinance of water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ is for remission of sin as provided for by the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus.

Do you believe the saviour God send to the Egyptians will be able to save them if they don't have the time for the water baptism at the time of the end?

Isaiah 19

20 And it shall be for a sign and for a witness unto the Lord of hosts in the land of Egypt: for they shall cry unto the Lord because of the oppressors, and he shall send them a saviour, and a great one, and he shall deliver them.

21 And the Lord shall be known to Egypt, and the Egyptians shall know the Lord in that day, and shall do sacrifice and oblation; yea, they shall vow a vow unto the Lord, and perform it.

 

[Disciple003]

One may be saved (receive eternal life) by keeping the law (doing the 2nd great commandment), by faith (in the redemptive work of the Lamb of God), or, if you want to be perfect and received His grace in full measure, by keeping the law AND faith (doing the 1st AND 2nd great commandments).

 

[Burn1986]

The problem with this is that if you're only repeating words by "rote", you accomplish nothing at all.

Saying the prayer IN FAITH as the result of Holy Spirit CONVICTION OF SIN, in the full appreciation of what you're saying, and it's eternal importance makes the difference.

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Then you will still go to HELL

 

[Mem]

Perhaps we could answer the question better if we knew "what" saves us?
the baptism that now saves us, that is,
the pledge (answer- a response to an inquiry; the question-do you believe in the Christ Jesus?) of a good conscience toward God, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Or more accurately, "How do we know we are saved?

1Timothy1:5 The goal of our instruction is the love that comes from a pure heart, a clear conscience, and a sincere faith.
So then, if we pray, "wilt thou save me? (with all sincerity)? and the answer is given (and, if asked in all sincerity, will be given as sure as He is risen) in the form of love (which evidences a purified heart, a cleared conscience, and sincere faith) then we know without doubting that He is risen, even if we might not have been sure before approaching to ask. This moment of knowing, the answer of a good conscience toward God, is the baptism (not the removal of depravity) that saves you.

His death and burial removed the moral filth from your flesh, but His resurrection is what secured you.

So, to answer the question, "How do you get saved?" is

Believe that!

And do not allow those that use the dysphemism "Easy Believism" discourage you. *Not that anyone could once you experience that pure love, clear conscience, and sincere faith.

 

[Burn1986]

Perhaps we could answer the question better if we knew "what" saves us?
the baptism that now saves us, that is,
the pledge (answer- a response to an inquiry; the question-do you believe in the Christ Jesus?) of a good conscience toward God, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Or more accurately, "How do we know we are saved?

1Timothy1:5 The goal of our instruction is the love that comes from a pure heart, a clear conscience, and a sincere faith.
So then, if we pray, "wilt thou save me? (with all sincerity)? and the answer is given (and, if asked in all sincerity, will be given as sure as He is risen) in the form of love (which evidences a purified heart, a cleared conscience, and sincere faith) then we know without doubting that He is risen, even if we might not have been sure before approaching to ask. This moment of knowing, the answer of a good conscience toward God, is the baptism (not the removal of depravity) that saves you.

His death and burial removed the moral filth from your flesh, but His resurrection is what secured you.

So, to answer the question, "How do you get saved?" is

Believe that!

And do not allow those that use the dysphemism "Easy Believism" discourage you. *Not that anyone could once you experience that pure love, clear conscience, and sincere faith.

I know you like everything you wrote, with your big fancy words, but I can tell you that no one is gonna read that.

 

[Mem]

I know you like everything you wrote, with your big fancy words, but I can tell you that no one is gonna read that.

How discouraging?

 

[Magenta]

How discouraging?

I read it .

So now I am everyone, and no one...

How do you get saved? - Christian Chat Rooms & Forums
How do you get saved? - Christian Chat Rooms & Forums

 

[Burn1986]

How discouraging?

Okay. A little short sighted on my part.

Yes, it was a wonderfully constructed reply,

 

[mailmandan]

It is by grace you are saved through faith. Jesus said go into all nations and preach the gospel he who believes and is baptized shall be saved.

"And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;" Heb 5:9

It is by grace you are saved through faith. (Ephesians 2:8,9) Not faith and water baptism. Faith is not water baptism and faith precedes water baptism.

Acts 15:7 - And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up and said to them: “Men and brethren, you know that a good while ago God chose among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. (what happened to baptism?) 8 So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, 9 and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. Not faith and water baptism.

Mark 16:16 - He who believes and is baptized will be saved (general cases without making a qualification for the unusual case of someone who believes but is not baptized) but he who does not believe will be condemned.

The omission of baptized with "does not believe" shows that Jesus does not make baptism absolutely necessary for salvation. Condemnation rests on unbelief and not on a lack of baptism. *NOWHERE does the Bible say, "baptized or condemned."

If water baptism is absolutely required for salvation, then we would expect Jesus to mention it in the following verses. (3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26) Yet what is the 1 requirement that Jesus mentions 9 different times in each of these complete statements *BELIEVES. *What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics.

John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

The gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16) To "believe" the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-SUFFICIENT means of our salvation. For those who are trusting in works for salvation, it's time for them to repent and believe the gospel.

The gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16) To "believe" the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation. The gospel is a message of grace to be received through faith. The gospel is not a set of rituals to perform, a code of laws to be obeyed or a check list of good works (including water baptism) to accomplish as a prerequisite for salvation. 1 Corinthians 1:21 - For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who BELIEVE.

In regard to Hebrews 5:9, who obeys Him? The saved or the lost? I often hear works-salvationists cite this verse to try and support salvation by works, including Roman Catholics and Mormons. Such folks will write a blank check made out to OBEY then fill in whatever amount of obedience/works they feel is necessary for salvation.

Only believers have obeyed Him by choosing to believe the gospel (Romans 1:16) in order to become saved, and only believers obey Him after they have been saved through faith by practicing righteousness and not sin. (1 John 3:9,10) In either sense, only believers obey Him.

Unbelievers have not obeyed Him by refusing to believe the gospel (Romans 10:16) and without faith it's impossible to please God (Hebrews 11:6), so unbelievers do not obey Him no matter how much "so called" obedience that they attempt to conjure up through the flesh in a vain effort to receive salvation based on works. (Matthew 7:22-23) So, in either sense, unbelievers do not obey Him.

 

[Wansvic]

Pay attention?

He said remission of sin is given to those who believe.

He then told THEM who received the gift of the spirit (and already received remission of sin, proven by the fact they have received the spirit already). to be baptized in water

this confirms what I have told you numerous times, and confirms was Peter actually said in Acts 2..

Those who believe in Jesus will receive remission of sin when water baptized in His name.

 

[BreatheFocusBet]

"And now, why are you delaying? Having arisen, be baptized and wash away your sins, having previously called upon His Name." (Acts 22:16, Wuest's Expanded NT).

At best this is a straw man resulting from skimming

Or an attempt to defend this

You are baptised because you recieved remission of sin. Not in order to get it

With a possible version of a verse that still accuses Paul of having

"Having arisen, be baptized and wash away your sins, having previously called upon His Name."

Verse 17 connects his being filled with the Spirit with the receiving of his thesight.

As a new, separate issue


If sight and Holy Spirit, then sight and Holy Spirit simultaneously
Sight and Holy Spirit, thus sight and Holy Spirit simultaneously

Is invalid because there is no mention of them happening simultaneously, thus Paul receiving the Holy Spirit after he was baptized

could just as well

be described as Paul receiving his sight and the Holy Spirit through Aninias

Inductively, there is also no mention of Paul receiving the Holy Spirit when he is actually said to have received his sight

 

[mailmandan]

At best this is a straw man resulting from skimming

Or an attempt to defend this

With a possible version of a verse that still accuses Paul of having

"Having arisen, be baptized and wash away your sins, having previously called upon His Name."

As a new, separate issue

If sight and Holy Spirit, then sight and Holy Spirit simultaneously
Sight and Holy Spirit, thus sight and Holy Spirit simultaneously

Is invalid because there is no mention of them happening simultaneously, thus Paul receiving the Holy Spirit after he was baptized

could just as well

be described as Paul receiving his sight and the Holy Spirit through Aninias

Inductively, there is also no mention of Paul receiving the Holy Spirit when he is actually said to have received his sight

Paul had already believed in Christ when Ananias came to pray for him to receive his sight (Acts 9:17). It also should be noted that Paul at the time when Ananias prayed for him to receive his sight, he was filled with the Holy Spirit (Acts 9:17)--this was BEFORE he was water baptized. (Acts 9:18) Verse 17 connects his being filled with the Spirit with the receiving of his sight. We know that he received his sight prior to his baptism.

It's interesting that when Paul recounted this event again later in Acts (Acts 26:12-18), he did not mention Ananias or what Ananias said to him at all. Verse 18 again would confirm the idea that Paul received Christ as Savior on the road to Damascus since here Christ is telling Paul he will be a messenger for Him concerning forgiveness of sins for Gentiles as they have faith in Him. It would seem unlikely that Christ would commission Paul if Paul had not yet believed in Him and was still lost in his sins.

 

[BreatheFocusBet]

Paul had already believed in Christ when Ananias came to pray for him to receive his sight (Acts 9:17). It also should be noted that Paul at the time when Ananias prayed for him to receive his sight, he was filled with the Holy Spirit (Acts 9:17)--this was BEFORE he was water baptized. (Acts 9:18) Verse 17 connects his being filled with the Spirit with the receiving of his sight. We know that he received his sight prior to his baptism.

It's interesting that when Paul recounted this event again later in Acts (Acts 26:12-18), he did not mention Ananias or what Ananias said to him at all. Verse 18 again would confirm the idea that Paul received Christ as Savior on the road to Damascus since here Christ is telling Paul he will be a messenger for Him concerning forgiveness of sins for Gentiles as they have faith in Him. It would seem unlikely that Christ would commission Paul if Paul had not yet believed in Him and was still lost in his sins.

Or an attempt to defend this

"
You are baptised because you recieved remission of sin. Not in order to get it"


With a possible version of a verse that still accuses Paul of having

"Having arisen, be baptized and wash away your sins, having previously called upon His Name."

 

[BreatheFocusBet]

Verse 18 again would confirm the idea that Paul received Christ as Savior on the road to Damascus since here Christ is telling Paul he will be a messenger for Him concerning forgiveness of sins for Gentiles as they have faith in Him.

Perhaps because Paul was going to be forgiven

Hence "wash away your sins"

 

[Jimbone]

Those who believe in Jesus will receive remission of sin when water baptized in His name.

What do you tell the born again believer like me? I was baptized in His name in front of my whole church, yet was not saved. However When He did save me, when my dead spirit was resurrected and reconciled to His Spirit making me a NEW man, that for sure happen without any water around. Now to be fair I did go and get baptized again afterward, with a fuller understanding of what I was doing this time, but what do you say to me? I was baptized without being saved for real, then was 100% for sure saved, for real, before I went and was baptized again following His commands.

Am I just confused? Lying? If what you're teaching here is the truth, and I have to be dunked as you say, to be saved THEN, how on earth can I testify the things I do about my salvation? How does this fit with what you're pushing here?

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Those who believe in Jesus will receive remission of sin when water baptized in His name.

But these people received remission of sin BEFORE they were water baptized!!

 

[mailmandan]

Or an attempt to defend this
"
You are baptised because you recieved remission of sin. Not in order to get it"

With a possible version of a verse that still accuses Paul of having

"Having arisen, be baptized and wash away your sins, having previously called upon His Name."

When Jesus took the bread and said, "This is my body." (Matthew 26:26) The bread was only the emblem of His body. Baptism is the emblem of the washing away of sins by the blood of Christ. Every time a believer is immersed he washes away his sins in the same SENSE Paul did: not literally, but ceremonially, pointing to the blood of Christ by which sins are actually washed away. (1 John 1:7; Revelation 1:5)

 

[homwardbound]

What do you tell the born again believer like me? I was baptized in His name in front of my whole church, yet was not saved. However When He did save me, when my dead spirit was resurrected and reconciled to His Spirit making me a NEW man, that for sure happen without any water around. Now to be fair I did go and get baptized again afterward, with a fuller understanding of what I was doing this time, but what do you say to me? I was baptized without being saved for real, then was 100% for sure saved, for real, before I went and was baptized again following His commands.

Am I just confused? Lying? If what you're teaching here is the truth, and I have to be dunked as you say, to be saved THEN, how on earth can I testify the things I do about my salvation? How does this fit with what you're pushing here?

I see, you got it, you went back for to get water baptized in the risen Son, as a good conscience to God, not for a membership to get praised by others in doing it, as I think is what the Church of Christ states, "without water Baptism one cannot be saved", in my experience going there in the past, that is what I got told by that religion then.

I see this, believe God, receive from God and be new by God, God did it for us, all of us, the people, because not one could do it perfectly as Son has done for us on that cross and is risen as proof to us as truth for us to abide in that, which the disciples have reported in seeing him alive from death in the Bible, that we have to read freely. Seeing, to not get distracted anymore, by all the other interpreters as if another person knows better than God using God as if they are the chosen one, Not!!!! to me no one else is the mediator but Jesus the risen one to God Father for me, thanks for your true post
God simply loves us all. I got to the end of the energy of my own flesh nature, under literal Law, trying to do it, saw no way can I or could I. I gave up, raised my little white flag to God, and everything changed
As I see from your post for you too,
Amen!

 

[homwardbound]

When Jesus took the bread and said, "This is my body." (Matthew 26:26) The bread was only the emblem of His body. Baptism is the emblem of the washing away of sins by the blood of Christ. Every time a believer is immersed he washes away his sins in the same SENSE Paul did: not literally, but ceremonially, pointing to the blood of Christ by which sins are actually washed away. (1 John 1:7; Revelation 1:5)

I think that is good to be reminded daily, even as Paul said, 'I" die daily. I see to get my instructions from God Daily, the same as Jesus did daily.

Contend for unity, leave it behind you, move forward daily to the next thing to do in trust to God Father of Jesus our Father know too as said this in John 20 to Mary, right before ascending, once was risen and told her to go and tell the others, he is risen. He will be there after he goes and fills everything needed to be filled and put his shed blood on the true Heaven of God for us
As Isaiah saw in Is 6:1-7