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Luk 10:25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
Luk 10:26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
Luk 10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
Luk 10:28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
This took place within the old covenant. At that time, to receive eternal life one had to "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself." ie: obey the law.
From the same discussion from Matthew:
Mat 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
One doesn't have to be "perfect", in the sense of giving away all one's money or things, to receive eternal life. I dare say NO ONE here has given away everything they own else what computer is everyone using to post here? What home and car is owned and not sold to give away?
Luk 10:25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
Luk 10:26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
Luk 10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
Luk 10:28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
Here we see only the requirements (at the time) to receive eternal life and there is nothing about selling everything you own and giving to the poor. That was only needed "to be perfect" which is akin to being more than the least in heaven.
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Yes.
Luk 10:25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
Luk 10:26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
Luk 10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
Luk 10:28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
This took place within the old covenant. At that time, to receive eternal life one had to "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself." ie: obey the law.
From the same discussion from Matthew:
Mat 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
One doesn't have to be "perfect", in the sense of giving away all one's money or things, to receive eternal life. I dare say NO ONE here has given away everything they own else what computer is everyone using to post here? What home and car is owned and not sold to give away?
Luk 10:25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
Luk 10:26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
Luk 10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
Luk 10:28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
Here we see only the requirements (at the time) to receive eternal life and there is nothing about selling everything you own and giving to the poor. That was only needed "to be perfect" which is akin to being more than the least in heaven.
Luk 10:25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
Luk 10:26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
Luk 10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
Luk 10:28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
This took place within the old covenant. At that time, to receive eternal life one had to "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself." ie: obey the law.
From the same discussion from Matthew:
Mat 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
One doesn't have to be "perfect", in the sense of giving away all one's money or things, to receive eternal life. I dare say NO ONE here has given away everything they own else what computer is everyone using to post here? What home and car is owned and not sold to give away?
Luk 10:25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
Luk 10:26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
Luk 10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
Luk 10:28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
Here we see only the requirements (at the time) to receive eternal life and there is nothing about selling everything you own and giving to the poor. That was only needed "to be perfect" which is akin to being more than the least in heaven.
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Sure but I was just showing that ppl like Lazarus went to the same place Abraham did. It's a place of comfort and angels bring you there so it's heaven, not hell and this happened before the cross so people did make it to heaven before Christ. Naturally God would not send everyone to hell to be tormented before Christ.
Ok. I'll try again.
Eternal life is a gift from God and is knowing God and Jesus. Either one has it or one doesn't. It is given by God when one is saved.
The actions God took with Adam and Eve are the ones He takes with whoever He saves. He seeks them out, applies the blood of Christ to their sin, and clothes them in Jesus' righteousness. This is symbolized in the shedding of blood and the covering He provides. This is a covenant of grace.
Adam was originally under a covenant of works. Had he not sinned, I believe God would at some point have granted him eternal life. There is a righteousness that is of the law. Of all people, Adam had the best chance to achieve it. He failed, necessitating a different covenant.
Eternal life is a gift from God and is knowing God and Jesus. Either one has it or one doesn't. It is given by God when one is saved.
The actions God took with Adam and Eve are the ones He takes with whoever He saves. He seeks them out, applies the blood of Christ to their sin, and clothes them in Jesus' righteousness. This is symbolized in the shedding of blood and the covering He provides. This is a covenant of grace.
Adam was originally under a covenant of works. Had he not sinned, I believe God would at some point have granted him eternal life. There is a righteousness that is of the law. Of all people, Adam had the best chance to achieve it. He failed, necessitating a different covenant.
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But the blood of Christ was not applied to Adam and Eve after they sinned. They were provided with the skins of animals to cover them instead of the fig leaves they had used for that purpose, and this is generally taken as a foreshadowing of being covered by the shed righteous blood of Jesus Christ. Jesus was not plan B. He was purposed from before the foundation of the world, to give His life as a ransom for many, the any who would by grace through faith believe in Him and His atoning/propitiatory sacrifice, and thereby be reconciled to God, attain to life ever after, and escape the second death.
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His blood was applied to them or they would never have received forgiveness. Without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of sin.
God isn't hindered by time. If He decrees something, it's as good as done. Those He forknew, He predestined. Those He predestined, He called. Those He called, He justified. Those He justified, He glorified. All past tense. Yet, for people not born, future. The fact that Jesus isn't plan B means He was always the only plan. That means He was what God planned for Adam.
God isn't hindered by time. If He decrees something, it's as good as done. Those He forknew, He predestined. Those He predestined, He called. Those He called, He justified. Those He justified, He glorified. All past tense. Yet, for people not born, future. The fact that Jesus isn't plan B means He was always the only plan. That means He was what God planned for Adam.
We have 2 problems before the Lord. We have disobeyed and that requires our death. But we also still owe God the obedience for the law we transgressed. That's why Jesus life is as important as His death for us. By living a perfectly sinless life, He supplies us with the righteousness we lack when we disobeyed. By suffering and dying on the cross and shedding His blood, He atones for our sin. The same animal that whose blood was shed was also used to cloth Adam and Eve.
Are we are back to the blood of bulls and goats? The animal used to clothe them is not under question, but whether or not Adam and Eve were given eternal life. Nothing in the text suggests they were. Quite the contrary. They were ousted from the garden specifically to prevent them from eating of the Tree of Life and living forever after. The text explicitly states this. What you are saying about them having been given eternal life is nowhere in the text, and not even hinted at. They were of the natural world.
The blood of bulls and goats can't save anyone. Neither the blood of the animal God sacrificed for Adam and Eve. He was foreshadowing a sacrifice that would come that would both atone for their sin and provide the required righteousness.
Do you believe in the act of God on behalf of Adam and Eve God redeemed them?
Do you believe in the act of God on behalf of Adam and Eve God redeemed them?
The text does not say this act of covering them with animal skins redeemed them, and it certainly does not say or imply or hint at the fact that these skins gave them eternal life. What text says or implies or hints at Adam and Eve being redeemed? Do you equate this act of a temporary covering which is a foreshadowing of a future fulfilled promise/prophesy in Christ with an act of redemption and of them being given eternal life? This act for you is in essence and/or reality a spiritual rebirth?
Eternal life is a gift of God. He grants it to those He redeems. The life and death and resurrection of Jesus alone is what makes this possible.
We have the benefit of being 2000 years past those actual events. We also have the benefit of a full canon of scripture. But all the elements of redemption are found in Genesis 3. There is a promised seed. There is shedding of innocent blood. There is a covering given.
To me it pictures salvation. And it is in salvation that eternal life is granted.
If that's a bridge too far for others, I can live with that.
We have the benefit of being 2000 years past those actual events. We also have the benefit of a full canon of scripture. But all the elements of redemption are found in Genesis 3. There is a promised seed. There is shedding of innocent blood. There is a covering given.
To me it pictures salvation. And it is in salvation that eternal life is granted.
If that's a bridge too far for others, I can live with that.