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“Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; that at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: but now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
For he is our peace, who hath made both ( Jew and gentile ) one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; ( the old dividing wall between Jew and gentile ) having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; and that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
and came and preached peace to you which were afar off, ( gentiles ) and to them that were nigh.( Jew )
For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; ( things changed for gentiles because of Jesus they are now included with israel and thier messiah ) and are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; in whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.”
Ephesians 2:11-20, 22 KJV
this was always the plan when Jesus came
“And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.”
Isaiah 49:6
the gospel was first preached to Israel
“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
Mark 1:14-15 KJV
Then would be preached from Israel to all the world to all Peoples
“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
Matthew 24:14
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
All people are included by the gospel both Jews who believe and gentiles who believe
“For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Galatians 3:26-29 KJV
when the gospel was sent to all nations it’s this being fulfilled
“and I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.”
Genesis 12:3 KJV
“Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.”
Galatians 3:7-9
The law has nothing to do with that promise to Abraham that promise came 430 years prior to the law of Moses given to abrams offspring. The gospel is a promise to all people not only israel but first israel then gentile
“Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; that at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: but now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
For he is our peace, who hath made both ( Jew and gentile ) one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; ( the old dividing wall between Jew and gentile ) having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; and that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
and came and preached peace to you which were afar off, ( gentiles ) and to them that were nigh.( Jew )
For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; ( things changed for gentiles because of Jesus they are now included with israel and thier messiah ) and are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; in whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.”
Ephesians 2:11-20, 22 KJV
this was always the plan when Jesus came
“And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.”
Isaiah 49:6
the gospel was first preached to Israel
“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
Mark 1:14-15 KJV
Then would be preached from Israel to all the world to all Peoples
“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
Matthew 24:14
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
All people are included by the gospel both Jews who believe and gentiles who believe
“For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Galatians 3:26-29 KJV
when the gospel was sent to all nations it’s this being fulfilled
“and I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.”
Genesis 12:3 KJV
“Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.”
Galatians 3:7-9
The law has nothing to do with that promise to Abraham that promise came 430 years prior to the law of Moses given to abrams offspring. The gospel is a promise to all people not only israel but first israel then gentile
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Hebrews 7
11 Now if perfection was through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people have received the law), what further need was there for another Priest to arise after the order of Melchizedek, and not be called after the order of Aaron? 12 For the priesthood being changed, there is of necessity a change made also in the law. 13 For He of Whom these things are said belongs to another tribe, from which no one has officiated at the altar. 14 For it is evident that our Adonai has sprung out of Judah, about which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood. 15 This is yet more abundantly evident, if after the likeness of Melchizedek there arises another Priest, 16 Who has been made, not after the law of a fleshly commandment, but after the power of an endless life; 17 for it is testified,
“You are a priest forever,
according to the order of Melchizedek.”
11 Now if perfection was through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people have received the law), what further need was there for another Priest to arise after the order of Melchizedek, and not be called after the order of Aaron? 12 For the priesthood being changed, there is of necessity a change made also in the law. 13 For He of Whom these things are said belongs to another tribe, from which no one has officiated at the altar. 14 For it is evident that our Adonai has sprung out of Judah, about which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood. 15 This is yet more abundantly evident, if after the likeness of Melchizedek there arises another Priest, 16 Who has been made, not after the law of a fleshly commandment, but after the power of an endless life; 17 for it is testified,
“You are a priest forever,
according to the order of Melchizedek.”
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18 For there is an annulling of a foregoing commandment because of its weakness and uselessness 19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to EL(Theos, Elohim, YAH, God). 20 Inasmuch as he was not made priest without the taking of an oath 21 (for they indeed have been made priests without an oath), but He with an oath by Him that says of Him,
“The Adonai swore and will not change His mind,
‘You are a Priest forever,
according to the order of Melchizedek.’ ”*
22 By so much, Yeshua has become the guarantee of a better covenant.
18 For there is an annulling of a foregoing commandment because of its weakness and uselessness 19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to EL(Theos, Elohim, YAH, God). 20 Inasmuch as he was not made priest without the taking of an oath 21 (for they indeed have been made priests without an oath), but He with an oath by Him that says of Him,
“The Adonai swore and will not change His mind,
‘You are a Priest forever,
according to the order of Melchizedek.’ ”*
22 By so much, Yeshua has become the guarantee of a better covenant.
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26 For such a high Priest(the Son) was fitting for us: holy, guiltless, undefiled, separated from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; 27 Who doesn’t need, like those high priests, to offer up sacrifices daily, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. For He(the Son) did this once for all, when He offered up Himself. 28 For the Torah appoints men as high priests who have weakness, but the word of the oath, which came after the law, appoints a Son forever Who has been perfected.
26 For such a high Priest(the Son) was fitting for us: holy, guiltless, undefiled, separated from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; 27 Who doesn’t need, like those high priests, to offer up sacrifices daily, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. For He(the Son) did this once for all, when He offered up Himself. 28 For the Torah appoints men as high priests who have weakness, but the word of the oath, which came after the law, appoints a Son forever Who has been perfected.
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Hebrews 8
1 Now in the things which we are saying, the main point is this: we have such a high Priest(the Son), Who sat down on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens, 2 a Servant of the sanctuary and of the true tabernacle which the Adonai pitched, not man. 3 For every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices. Therefore it is necessary that this high priest also have something to offer. 4 For if He(the Son) were on earth, He would not be a priest at all, seeing there are priests who offer the gifts according to the Torah, 5 who serve a copy and shadow of the heavenly things, even as Moses was warned by EL when he was about to make the tabernacle, for He said, “See, you shall make everything according to the pattern that was shown to you on the mountain.” 6 But now He(the Son) has obtained a more excellent ministry, by as much as He is also the mediator of a better covenant, which on better promises has been given as Torah. 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
1 Now in the things which we are saying, the main point is this: we have such a high Priest(the Son), Who sat down on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens, 2 a Servant of the sanctuary and of the true tabernacle which the Adonai pitched, not man. 3 For every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices. Therefore it is necessary that this high priest also have something to offer. 4 For if He(the Son) were on earth, He would not be a priest at all, seeing there are priests who offer the gifts according to the Torah, 5 who serve a copy and shadow of the heavenly things, even as Moses was warned by EL when he was about to make the tabernacle, for He said, “See, you shall make everything according to the pattern that was shown to you on the mountain.” 6 But now He(the Son) has obtained a more excellent ministry, by as much as He is also the mediator of a better covenant, which on better promises has been given as Torah. 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
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Hebrews 9
6 Now these things having been thus prepared, the priests go in continually into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the services, 7 but into the second the high priest alone, once in the year, not without blood, which he offers for himself and for the errors of the people. 8 The Holy Spirit is indicating this, that the way into the Holy Place wasn’t yet revealed while the first tabernacle was still standing. 9 This is a symbol of the present age, where gifts and sacrifices are offered that are incapable, concerning the conscience, of making the worshiper perfect, 10 being only (with foods and drinks and various washings) fleshly ordinances, imposed until a time of reformation.
6 Now these things having been thus prepared, the priests go in continually into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the services, 7 but into the second the high priest alone, once in the year, not without blood, which he offers for himself and for the errors of the people. 8 The Holy Spirit is indicating this, that the way into the Holy Place wasn’t yet revealed while the first tabernacle was still standing. 9 This is a symbol of the present age, where gifts and sacrifices are offered that are incapable, concerning the conscience, of making the worshiper perfect, 10 being only (with foods and drinks and various washings) fleshly ordinances, imposed until a time of reformation.
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Hebrews 9
11 But Messiah having come as a high Priest of the coming good things, through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this creation, 12 nor yet through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, entered in once for all into the Holy Place, having obtained eternal redemption. 13 For if the blood of goats and bulls, and the ashes of a heifer sprinkling those who have been defiled, sanctify to the cleanness of the flesh, 14 how much more will the blood of Messiah, Who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without defect to EL, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living EL? 15 For this reason He is the mediator of a new covenant, since a death has occurred for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first covenant, that those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
11 But Messiah having come as a high Priest of the coming good things, through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this creation, 12 nor yet through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, entered in once for all into the Holy Place, having obtained eternal redemption. 13 For if the blood of goats and bulls, and the ashes of a heifer sprinkling those who have been defiled, sanctify to the cleanness of the flesh, 14 how much more will the blood of Messiah, Who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without defect to EL, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living EL? 15 For this reason He is the mediator of a new covenant, since a death has occurred for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first covenant, that those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
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Hebrews 9
21 He(Moses) sprinkled the tabernacle and all the vessels of the ministry in the same way with the blood. 22 According to the Torah, nearly everything is cleansed with blood, and apart from shedding of blood there is no remission.
23 It was necessary therefore that the copies of the things in the heavens should be cleansed with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24 For Messiah hasn’t entered into holy places made with hands, which are representations of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of EL for us; 25 nor yet that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest enters into the holy place year by year with blood not his own, 26 or else He(the Son) must have suffered often since the foundation of the world. But now once at the end of the ages, He has been revealed to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. 27 Inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once, and after this, judgment, 28 so Messiah also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin, but to save those who are eagerly waiting for Him.
21 He(Moses) sprinkled the tabernacle and all the vessels of the ministry in the same way with the blood. 22 According to the Torah, nearly everything is cleansed with blood, and apart from shedding of blood there is no remission.
23 It was necessary therefore that the copies of the things in the heavens should be cleansed with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24 For Messiah hasn’t entered into holy places made with hands, which are representations of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of EL for us; 25 nor yet that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest enters into the holy place year by year with blood not his own, 26 or else He(the Son) must have suffered often since the foundation of the world. But now once at the end of the ages, He has been revealed to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. 27 Inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once, and after this, judgment, 28 so Messiah also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin, but to save those who are eagerly waiting for Him.
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Hebrews 10
1 For the Torah, having a shadow of the good to come, not the very image of the things, can never with the same sacrifices year by year, which they offer continually, make perfect those who draw near. 2 Or else wouldn’t they have ceased to be offered, because the worshipers, having been once cleansed, would have had no more consciousness of sins? 3 But in those sacrifices there is a yearly reminder of sins. 4 For it is impossible that the blood of bulls and goats should take away sins. 5 Therefore when He(the Son) comes into the world, He says,
“You(the Father) didn’t desire sacrifice and offering,
but you prepared a body for Me(the Son).
6 You had no pleasure in whole burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin.
7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come (in the scroll of the book it is written of Me)
to do Your will, O EL.’ ”
8 Previously saying, “Sacrifices and offerings and whole burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin you didn’t desire, neither had pleasure in them” (those which are offered according to the Torah), 9 then He has said, “Behold, I have come to do Your will.” He takes away the first, that He may establish the second, 10 by which will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Yeshua the Messiah once for all.
1 For the Torah, having a shadow of the good to come, not the very image of the things, can never with the same sacrifices year by year, which they offer continually, make perfect those who draw near. 2 Or else wouldn’t they have ceased to be offered, because the worshipers, having been once cleansed, would have had no more consciousness of sins? 3 But in those sacrifices there is a yearly reminder of sins. 4 For it is impossible that the blood of bulls and goats should take away sins. 5 Therefore when He(the Son) comes into the world, He says,
“You(the Father) didn’t desire sacrifice and offering,
but you prepared a body for Me(the Son).
6 You had no pleasure in whole burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin.
7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come (in the scroll of the book it is written of Me)
to do Your will, O EL.’ ”
8 Previously saying, “Sacrifices and offerings and whole burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin you didn’t desire, neither had pleasure in them” (those which are offered according to the Torah), 9 then He has said, “Behold, I have come to do Your will.” He takes away the first, that He may establish the second, 10 by which will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Yeshua the Messiah once for all.
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Hebrews 10
11 Every priest indeed stands day by day serving and offering often the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins, 12 but He(the Son), when He had offered one Sacrifice for sins forever, sat down on the right hand of EL, 13 from that time waiting until His enemies are made the footstool of His feet. 14 For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified. 15 The Holy Spirit also testifies to us, for after saying,
16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them
after those days,” says the Adonai,
“I will put My laws on their heart,
I will also write them on their mind;”
then He says,
17 “I will remember their sins and their iniquities no more.”
18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
11 Every priest indeed stands day by day serving and offering often the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins, 12 but He(the Son), when He had offered one Sacrifice for sins forever, sat down on the right hand of EL, 13 from that time waiting until His enemies are made the footstool of His feet. 14 For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified. 15 The Holy Spirit also testifies to us, for after saying,
16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them
after those days,” says the Adonai,
“I will put My laws on their heart,
I will also write them on their mind;”
then He says,
17 “I will remember their sins and their iniquities no more.”
18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
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Paul is not saying anything is done on Paul's authority.
try quoting a more literal version. instead of picking one that changes the text by interpretation.
Galatians 5:2-4
Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law. You have become estranged from Christ, you who [attempt to] be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
What the heck worthless, biased paraphrase version did you dig up, anyway? NLT or something? how many did you skip. over before you put that, and why did you leave verse 3 out?
try quoting a more literal version. instead of picking one that changes the text by interpretation.
Galatians 5:2-4
Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law. You have become estranged from Christ, you who [attempt to] be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
What the heck worthless, biased paraphrase version did you dig up, anyway? NLT or something? how many did you skip. over before you put that, and why did you leave verse 3 out?
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19 Having therefore, brothers, boldness to enter into the holy place by the blood of Yeshua, 20 by the way which He dedicated for us, a new and living way, through the veil, that is to say, His flesh, 21 and having a great Priest over EL’s house, 22 let’s draw near with a true heart in fullness of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience and having our body washed with pure water, 23 let’s hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering; for He Who promised is faithful.
19 Having therefore, brothers, boldness to enter into the holy place by the blood of Yeshua, 20 by the way which He dedicated for us, a new and living way, through the veil, that is to say, His flesh, 21 and having a great Priest over EL’s house, 22 let’s draw near with a true heart in fullness of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience and having our body washed with pure water, 23 let’s hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering; for He Who promised is faithful.
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regardless of whether one is putting their trust in works or not, the scripture here specifically FORBIDS these believers from being circumcised, SPECIFICALLY because if they do, they are indebted to keep the whole Law.
There are two uncontestable points that immediately follow from this:
- even though they are joined with the children of the promise of Abraham through Isaac and Jacob, who is Israel by faith, they are not to keep circumcision and they are not to keep the whole Law.
- they are not under the Law and being indebted to keep the Law is a very undesirable outcome for them, contrary to God's will, which is freedom ((see v. 1)). the Law is bondage, the son of the slave woman Hagar - the promise is NOT through the Law, but the free woman.
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so you would delete all the jots and tittles that have to do with purification and sin and burnt offerings, but keep the jots and tittles that have to do with fellowship offerings?
i'm going to need a revised version of the Torah to keep up with what we edit out of it and what we keep..
or how about this,
i have died, and my life is hid in Christ, and none of the Law applies to a dead man - but if you touch me, you need a red heifer's ashes.
i'm going to need a revised version of the Torah to keep up with what we edit out of it and what we keep..
or how about this,
i have died, and my life is hid in Christ, and none of the Law applies to a dead man - but if you touch me, you need a red heifer's ashes.
"covenant" isn't in the text.
it just says "new"
as in,
John 13:34
A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another.
by saying "new" He makes the old obsolete.
and we are not talking about Paul, @Rainrider - we are talking about Christ, God dwelling among His people.
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