Hell's Population Clock

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• Gen 28:15 . . Remember, I am with you: I will protect you wherever you
go and will bring you back to this land. I will not leave you until I have done
what I have promised you.

Hardly any of those promises were fulfilled in Jacob's lifetime. So how could
God say: "I will not leave you until I have done what I have promised you"

Well; I think it best to take it that God remained Jacob's provider even in the
grave, i.e. when God's people pass away, they don't become dead to Him;
whereas when the wicked die, they no longer make any difference; for
example:

"As to whether the dead will be raised-- Moses proved this when he wrote
about the burning bush. Long after Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob had died,
Moses wrote of The Lord as the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the
God of Jacob. So he is the God of the living, not the dead. They are all alive
to him." (Luke 20:37-38)

God has always been with Jacob, and never left him even once-- all these
many years; better than three-thousand of them by now. And all this whole
time Jacob has lived under God's protection because God promised He would
protect Jacob wherever he went; and in order for that promise to be
meaningful, it has to include the afterlife. (cf. Ps 139:7-10, Matt
16:18)

Pop Clock Update: 2,861 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 167,131,593
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since December 10,
2014.
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[Webers.Home]

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There's any number of ways the lost could be making their journey to the
netherworld. For example instead of being dragged underground by ghastly
beings such as those depicted in the movie 'GHOST", they may just fall down
into the ground like water through a sieve.

That's not a ridiculous idea seeing as deceased folk leave this world as
disembodied spirits. According to John 4:24 spirit is immaterial, i.e. it has no
mass to speak of. Spirit's movement isn't impeded by solid materials like
metal and dirt, or wood and stone.

And spirit takes up no space. For example the feral man of Mark 5:1-13 was
possessed by a community of spirits who labeled themselves Legion, define
by Webster's as the principal unit of the Roman army comprising 3,000 to
6,000 foot soldiers with cavalry. The legion of spirits that left that man went
out and took up residence in a herd of about 2,000 swine. That's a pretty
good example of how spirits take up no room in the physical world; nor do
they crowd each other. All 3,000 to 6,000 of those spirits managed to fit
inside the bodily cargo area of just that one guy. Just imagine the number of
spirits that could fit into the passenger area of an SUV.

NOTE: Those spirits slipped right out of that man. There was no need to cut
him open so they could evacuate.

Pop Clock Update: 2,880 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 168,713,280
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since December 10,
2014.
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[JonathanBentley]

Most people are just condemned for not receiving Christ. The biggest sin.

 

[Magenta]

Most people are just condemned for not receiving Christ. The biggest sin.

The only unforgivable sin

 

[Webers.Home]

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• Job 14:14 . . If a man dies, will he live again?

Back in ancient times; men like Job were attuned to nature. In point of fact,
Job was a very successful rancher; a guy who made his living working
outdoors.

Every year he watched things die in the Fall and come back in the Spring. If
only human life were like that; but alas, when people die they typically don't
regenerate like the new leaves on a dormant maple tree.

Pop Clock Update: 2,888 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 169,181,928
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since December 10,
2014.
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[XavierJesusLovesIndia]

As mentioned on a recent thread, the Bible says in Rev 7:9 that the Number of the Finally Saved will be a Great Multitude whom no man can number. Credible Theologians like Charles Spurgeon have even held this means more than 50% will, by the Grace and Mercy of God, and the prayers and labors of His faithful people to Evangelize etc here on Earth, finally go to Heaven and be Saved from Hell by Our Lord Jesus Christ. https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/people-saved/ Let us Pray and have Hope and work well for the Lord in saving Souls. He knows the Number and He will show us on Judgment Day.

"Revelation 7:9

The Great Multitude in White Robes
9 After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands.

Spurgeon's reasoning is like this (1) there will be a great Multitude whom no man can number in Heaven. (2) But the Bible never says there will be a great Multitude whom no man can number in Hell. (3) Hence the number in (1) is greater than (2).

I like how the article concludes. It also mentions that St. John is mentioning God's Promise to Abraham is fulfilled in Christ.

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3. We Should Enter the Kingdom and Urge Others to Do the Same
The door to glory is narrow; there is only one door, Jesus. No one will enter heaven who isn’t clothed in Christ’s righteousness. All those, and only those, who come to him in faith will be received by the Father (John 6:37). But we must come! In Luke 13, Jesus laments over those who were so close to the kingdom—but never entered. They were devoutly religious. They lived in the Holy Land. They heard Jesus teach. They ate and drank in his presence, but they were left outside because they never presented to Christ the ruins of their depraved hearts and said, “Save us!” Yes, we should believe the saved are a remnant. But let’s not try to make that number smaller than God has. Instead, enter the narrow door and strive to take with you as many as will follow.

The saved are a remnant. But let’s not try to make that number smaller than God has. Instead, enter the narrow door and strive to take with you as many as will follow.
The words of Revelation 7:9 echo God’s ancient challenge to Abraham: “Look now toward heaven, and count the stars if you are able to number them . . . so shall your descendants be” (Gen. 15:5). Can you picture Abraham scanning the night sky, realizing he couldn’t even begin to number those stars? The apostle John got to see Abraham’s believing seed gathered in. Like Abraham, his head spun. He too saw “a great multitude which no one could number” (Rev. 7:9).

The picture of the narrow gate and difficult path is God’s way of urging great effort. The picture of the innumerable company of the redeemed is God’s way of evoking hopefulness and wonder at his great salvation."

 

[Magenta]

• Job 14:14 . . If a man dies, will he live again?

Back in ancient times; men like Job were attuned to nature. In point of fact,
Job was a very successful rancher; a guy who made his living working
outdoors.

Every year he watched things die in the Fall and come back in the Spring. If
only human life were like that; but alas, when people die they typically don't
regenerate like the new leaves on a dormant maple tree.

Pop Clock Update: 2,888 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 169,181,928
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since December 10,
2014.
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Job 19:25-27a
Job knew the answer to that question

 

[Webers.Home]

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FAQ: When are people judged: as soon as they die or sometime later?

REPLY: According to John 3:18 some folks are dead on the hoof.

For example: the rich man in the story told by Luke 16:19-31 is in flames
down in Hades when the judgment depicted at Rev 20:11-15 hasn't taken
place yet. Well, he was condemned before he died. The meanwhile he's
being held in custody awaiting the judgment phase of his condemnation
which is where his ultimate just deserts will be decided.

Pop Clock Update: 2,893 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 169,474,833
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since December 10,
2014.
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[Funkus]

Do you really think people are condemned just for what they happen to believe, through no fault of their own?
If this is wrong so too are the rest of the man-made doctrines that make God appear vengeful and to behave like a spoilt child, not a holy God. Any God that throws people into 'hell' is evil and isn't God but an imposter, the enemy, a being that should be spit on not worshipped. And he should be spit on because he isn't the true God but is claiming to be and deceiving everyone he can. Jesus revealed the truth - God is love. So you guys are heretics

I'm sorry. You are wrong. What I am speaking is the truth. I've had enough of the lies and deception that religion is steeped in, is what I think. I don't care if some verse or other of the scriptures that man wrote down says something, God is perfect. Not what man says
So if you think you can casually talk like this without getting opposed. Wrong. You are opposed, to the very truth itself

 

[Webers.Home]

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• John 6:38 . . I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but
the will of Him who sent me

• John 8:29 . . He that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me
alone; for I do always those things that please Him.

• John 14:31 . . I do exactly what my Father has commanded me.

God is not only Jesus' tutor, but also his role model. For example: the Father
has entrusted all judgment to His son (John 5:22) For that reason, people
really ought to be scared of Christ because he intends to go about the
business of judging no differently than the fire and brimstone practices of
the God of the Old Testament, by whom Jesus has been trained to take the
reins.

• Isa 11:4-5 . . He will strike the earth with the rod of his mouth; with the
breath of his lips he will slay the wicked. Righteousness will be his belt and
faithfulness the sash around his waist.

• John 10:30 . . I and my Father are unified.
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[Funkus]

That is what people who are wedded to the 'old testament' idea of God would say. Of course they say that Jesus is nothing different from that - that Jesus introduced nothing new, represented nothing differently. Had nothing really to say. They deny the 'old testament' God is but an image - a construct of all priestly and religious notions combined, that previously were carved into an idol, to be carried aloft by a bronze age tribe. And there is truth to it, absolutely there is, but it isn't the whole truth, far from it. The true God is not able to be defined by us or contained in a scriptural box that we humans can wield like a common magician. That's what I feel anyway. Right or wrong

 

[Magenta]

• John 10:30 . . I and my Father are unified.

Which version/translation is that? I did a search on Biblehub and could not find it

 

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FAQ: Folks not found registered in the Lamb's book of life are sent to the
second death per Rev 20:11-15. Will they be consumed by the brimstone
and gone forever?

REPLY: Adam was warned that were he to taste the forbidden fruit, he would
die that very day (Gen 2:17) and he did, but not in a way readily apparent.

Up to that moment, Adam enjoyed perpetual youth, but upon tasting the
fruit, he lost perpetual youth and began to age, i.e. his body became
infected with mortality, which is a lingering kind of death rather than the
kind of death where people drop dead to the floor of a sudden from strokes,
bullets, bludgeons, or falls from a very high building down onto solid
concrete.

In other words: Adam's death was an ongoing process that gradually wore
him down to the point where his body finally gave out, and he passed away.

By comparing the language and grammar of any and all passages related to
the second death, I think we can safely conclude that it too is a lingering
death that apparently will be a perpetual process with no definite end.

Pop Clock Update: 2,899 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 169,826,319
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since December 10,
2014.
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[Funkus]

The demons rejoice as they sucker another denizen into their grasp
The poor little innocent victim, that I choose to defend...
Once all their freedom of thought and sentience is eliminated, they are food for the evil one
But the free person realises the deception - that it is all a lie
That God is not like that - God is good and the lie is woefully misleading
But who is like that, who would torture - the great demon you worship
You worship the devil Webers, but I say that to those that may read your lies, not you - because you know it already
Webers you are a devil worshipper

 

[Webers.Home]

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Webers you are a devil worshipper

Were I on the Devil's side of the aisle, I'd do my utmost to convince
folks there is no Hell to fear so that they'd pass on unprepared for what
comes next: like when the Serpent convinced Eve she wouldn't die from
eating the forbidden fruit.
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• Luke 16:27-29 . . I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house, for
I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to
this place of torment.

The five brothers would more than likely recognize Lazarus because he was
laid at the rich man's gate; so that whenever they came over for a visit;
there he'd be for them to walk past.

But I have to wonder just what exactly would Lazarus tell them about their
deceased brother's circumstances down in the netherworld. Lazarus would
likely tell the men about his own circumstances too.

When Jesus passed away on the cross, he didn't go up, instead he went
down; likely to the section of the afterlife where Abraham was. Jesus called
it paradise, which is translated from a Greek word meaning a park, e.g. New
York's central park where folks can go for walks in nature, play soccer,
bicycle, bird watch, boat, take in entertainment like concerts and events,
even dine.

I've a notion there are lots of little children down in that park too and fully
accommodated with plenty of interesting playground equipment, carousels,
pony rides, possibly even a zoo, and quiet places here and there where kids
can sit and listen to stories read to them from books. Who really knows for
sure what to expect in paradise?

Lazarus might then compare all that to their brother's side of the afterlife.

I can well imagine that the men would be fascinated by Lazarus' tale but not
fascinated enough to make a difference because Abraham assured the rich
man that his brothers wouldn't believe Lazarus; and honestly: who in their
right mind would; especially a tale coming from a no-account indigent whose
body covered with sores very likely wasn't even given a decent burial but
instead dumped without ceremony in a landfill somewhere?

Pop Clock Update: 2,912 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 170,587,872
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since December 10,
2014.
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• John 2:23-25 . . Because of the miraculous signs he did in Jerusalem at
the Passover celebration, many people were convinced that he was indeed
the Messiah. But Jesus didn't trust them, because he knew what people were
really like. No one needed to tell him about human nature.

The Greek word translated "convinced" is the self-same word translated
"trust". In other words; though people believed in Jesus, he did not believe
in them.

Well, his unbelief was justified. The same people who believed in him due to
his miracles are the very folks who later-on demanded his execution.

Oliver Cromwell-- who took the British throne away from Charles l, and
established the Commonwealth --said to a friend: Do not trust to the
cheering, for those same persons would cheer just as much if you and I
were going to be hanged.

Pop Clock Update: 2,921 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 171,115,101
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since December 10,
2014.
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The Lord wasn't looking for people's religion, nor was he looking for people's
piety and/or conduct on Passover night. He was looking for just one thing,
and one thing only: the blood.

That being the case, then had a Jewish family failed to apply the blood in the
proper manner, their first-born son would've been slain. On the other hand;
were an Egyptian family careful to apply the blood in the proper manner,
their son would've been spared because the The Lord is neither biased nor
prejudiced.

Along that same line; Jesus' blood will protect anybody and everybody who
applies it in the proper manner because he died for all; no exceptions
regardless of age, race, gender and/or religious preference. But many won't
be protected by his blood, because they will neglect to apply it at all, let
alone properly.

Pop Clock Update: 2,928 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 171,525,168
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since December 10,
2014.
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[XavierJesusLovesIndia]

The Billion Soul Harvest aims to turn the tide of Souls being lost by striving to reach 1 Billion People for Christ by 2033:

We should pray for and support such initiatives to reduce the number of lost Souls. https://www.billionsoulharvest.net/

 

[Webers.Home]

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Well, since my baby left me,
I found a new place to dwell.
It's down at the end of Lonely Street at
Heartbreak Hotel.

Although it's always crowded,
You still can find some room,
For broken-hearted lovers
To cry there in their gloom.

That song, by Elvis Presley (1956) was very popular; and useful for
depicting some of the conditions folks might expect in the netherworld
should they end up on the wrong side of things. For example: just as Elvis'
hotel always has a vacancy, so the netherworld too.

• Prov 30:15-16 . . There are three things that will not be satisfied-- four
that will not say, "Enough"

One of the four listed in that passage is Sheol, a.k.a. Hades.

And then there's "cry there in their gloom"

• Matt 13:40-42 . . As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the
fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth
his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend,
and them which do iniquity; and shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there
shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Pop Clock Update: 2,945 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 172,521,045
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since December 10,
2014.
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