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I say the unspiritual man is not raised to glory, nor does he magically become immortal.
Your fallible earthly lack of understanding clouds your ability to reason logically.
48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are
of heaven. 49 And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we bear the image of the heavenly man.
The wicked are not of heaven and do not bear the image of the heavenly when resurrected.
They remain earthly. God gives it a body as he has determined, and to each kind of seed he gives its own body.
They do not have the imperishable seed, though you keep insisting they do
Your fallible earthly lack of understanding clouds your ability to reason logically.
48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are
of heaven. 49 And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we bear the image of the heavenly man.
The wicked are not of heaven and do not bear the image of the heavenly when resurrected.
They remain earthly. God gives it a body as he has determined, and to each kind of seed he gives its own body.
They do not have the imperishable seed, though you keep insisting they do
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In the Holy Bible, the expression "the Bosom of Abraham" is found only in two verses of St. Luke's Gospel (16:22-23). It occurs in the parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus the imagery of which is plainly drawn from the popular representations of the unseen world of the dead which were current in Our Lord's time. According to the Jewish conceptions of that day, the souls of the dead were gathered into a general tarrying-place the Sheol of the Old Testament literature, and the Hades of the New Testament writings (cf. Luke 16:22; in the Greek 16:23). A local discrimination, however, existed among them, according to their deeds during their mortal life. In the unseen world of the dead the souls of the righteous occupied an abode or compartment of their own which was distinctly separated by a wall or a chasm from the abode or compartment to which the souls of the wicked were consigned. The latter was a place of torments usually spoken of as Gehenna (cf. Matthew 5:29, 30; 18:9; Mark 9:42 sqq. in the Latin Vulgate) — the other, a place of bliss and security known under the names of "Paradise" (cf. Luke 23:43) and "the Bosom of Abraham" (Luke 16:22-23). And it is in harmony with these Jewish conceptions that Our Lord pictured the terrible fate of the selfish Rich Man, and on the contrary, the glorious reward of the patient Lazarus. In the next life Dives found himself in Gehenna, condemned to the most excruciating torments, whereas Lazarus was carried by the angels into "the Bosom of Abraham", where the righteous dead shared in the repose and felicity of Abraham "the father of the faithful". But while commentators generally agree upon the meaning of the figurative expression "the Bosom of Abraham", as designating the blissful abode of the righteous souls after death, they are at variance with regard to the manner in which the phrase itself originated. Up to the time of Maldonatus (A.D. 1583), its origin was traced back to the universal custom of parents to take up into their arms, or place upon their knees, their children when they are fatigued, or return home, and to make them rest by their side during the night (cf. 2 Samuel 12:2; 1 Kings 3:20; 17:19; Luke 11:7 sqq.), thus causing them to enjoy rest and security in the bosom of a loving parent. After the same manner was Abraham supposed to act towards his children after the fatigues and troubles of the present life, hence the metaphorical expression "to be in Abraham's Bosom" as meaning to be in repose and happiness with him.
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Matthew 22:32
‘I am the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.’ He’s not the God of the dead but of the living.”
Clearly they are alive in the grave.
‘I am the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.’ He’s not the God of the dead but of the living.”
Clearly they are alive in the grave.
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Jesus once told a parable that advises folk it's wise to exercise kindness and
generosity on this side of life because people on the other side will doubtless
remember how you treated them.
The thing is: folks should expect to be victims of a certain amount of cruelty
on the wrong side of the netherworld because down there what's the point in
being civil? So it's wise to build up a following of folk up here who owe you a
favor so that when you arrive down there, you'll have some friends instead
of only foes looking to get even.
Pop Clock Update: 2,850 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 166,955,850
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since December 10,
2014.
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Jesus once told a parable that advises folk it's wise to exercise kindness and
generosity on this side of life because people on the other side will doubtless
remember how you treated them.
The thing is: folks should expect to be victims of a certain amount of cruelty
on the wrong side of the netherworld because down there what's the point in
being civil? So it's wise to build up a following of folk up here who owe you a
favor so that when you arrive down there, you'll have some friends instead
of only foes looking to get even.
Pop Clock Update: 2,850 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 166,955,850
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since December 10,
2014.
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Luke 16: 20-31 concerning Lazarus and the rich man is the answer to your question. When we die, we all go to heaven, but there is a gulf between those who believe upon the Lord and those who don't. The torment for some is that they rejected the word of God and can see that they are destined for destruction at the white throne judgment at the end of the millennium. Those that deny the Lord will be denied by Him before the angels of God. God is a consuming fire and those that don't make it will basically be un-created being turned to ashes from within.
Weber is constructing a believable narrative. He starts from scripture and goes from there. I prefer to go from God's revealed character to cherry pick scripture. Yes I admit I cherry pick scripture, everyone does it, everyone gives some or other verses more importance than others. So if we disagree, it isn't with scripture it's with each other's cherry picking. for some reason Weber has gone for the gloomiest pessimistic selection ever!
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Not everyone is going to be judged on the basis of hearing + believing the
gospel of Christ. There are untold millions who never heard, nor will ever
hear tell, of a Christ; let alone his crucifixion for the sins of the world.
However, the beauties and complexities of nature: on earth and out in the
void, speak loudly and clearly enough that the cosmos-- all its forms of life,
matter, and energy --is the result of intelligent design. And the human
conscience intuitively knows that there is going to be a reckoning. This is
what's known as the everlasting gospel (Rev 14:6-7) and it has been
preaching to men all over the globe from the very beginning. (Ps 19:1-6,
& Rom 1:18-20, & Rom 2:14-16)
According to Rom 10:18, nature itself is accounted as a gospel. This is pretty
cool because by nature's gospel, folks all over the globe-- both primitive and
civilized --can qualify for God's good graces.
* Can you just imagine the indignity and outrage of an educated genius like
Mark Zukerberg doomed to the depths of Hell while an illiterate aboriginal
with a bone in his nose is carried up to the comforts of Heaven?
Pop Clock Update: 2,853 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 167,131,593
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since December 10,
2014.
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Not everyone is going to be judged on the basis of hearing + believing the
gospel of Christ. There are untold millions who never heard, nor will ever
hear tell, of a Christ; let alone his crucifixion for the sins of the world.
However, the beauties and complexities of nature: on earth and out in the
void, speak loudly and clearly enough that the cosmos-- all its forms of life,
matter, and energy --is the result of intelligent design. And the human
conscience intuitively knows that there is going to be a reckoning. This is
what's known as the everlasting gospel (Rev 14:6-7) and it has been
preaching to men all over the globe from the very beginning. (Ps 19:1-6,
& Rom 1:18-20, & Rom 2:14-16)
According to Rom 10:18, nature itself is accounted as a gospel. This is pretty
cool because by nature's gospel, folks all over the globe-- both primitive and
civilized --can qualify for God's good graces.
* Can you just imagine the indignity and outrage of an educated genius like
Mark Zukerberg doomed to the depths of Hell while an illiterate aboriginal
with a bone in his nose is carried up to the comforts of Heaven?
Pop Clock Update: 2,853 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 167,131,593
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since December 10,
2014.
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