Hell, Sheol, Hades...
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@Mem 's Post #218 (bottom portion, addressed to me), it seems to be your assumption that the word "destroy" in Scripture always carries the meaning of "annihilates / annihilation"...
but it doesn't...
... and in my Post #102 (page 6 of this thread), I supplied "49 different Hebrew and Aramaic words in the OT for the English word 'destroy / destroyed / destroying'" ... (they don't all mean identical things either)...
... the NT also has a variety of different words for our English word "destroy" (Heb2:14 happens to be the Greek word G2673 καταργέω katargéō - https://christianchat.com/threads/hell-sheol-hades.206073/post-5025112 , rather than another one).
But, you are free to believe as you wish, Mem.
[I would suggest to the readers, to study this out...]
but it doesn't...
... and in my Post #102 (page 6 of this thread), I supplied "49 different Hebrew and Aramaic words in the OT for the English word 'destroy / destroyed / destroying'" ... (they don't all mean identical things either)...
... the NT also has a variety of different words for our English word "destroy" (Heb2:14 happens to be the Greek word G2673 καταργέω katargéō - https://christianchat.com/threads/hell-sheol-hades.206073/post-5025112 , rather than another one).
But, you are free to believe as you wish, Mem.
[I would suggest to the readers, to study this out...]
^ the same G2673 word is used in Romans 6:6--and where it speaks of "the body of the sin," it is not referencing our physical bodies, as some suppose:
https://biblehub.com/text/romans/6-6.htm
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6 τοῦτο
6 this
6 DPro-ANS
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ginōskontes
γινώσκοντες ,
knowing
V-PPA-NMP
3754 [e]
hoti
ὅτι
that
Conj
3588 [e]
ho
ὁ
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Art-NMS
3820 [e]
palaios
παλαιὸς
old
Adj-NMS
1473 [e]
hēmōn
ἡμῶν
of us
PPro-G1P
444 [e]
anthrōpos
ἄνθρωπος
self
N-NMS
4957 [e]
synestaurōthē
συνεσταυρώθη ,
was crucified with [Him]
V-AIP-3S
2443 [e]
hina
ἵνα
so that
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2673 [e]
katargēthē
καταργηθῇ
might be annulled
V-ASP-3S
3588 [e]
to
τὸ
the
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4983 [e]
sōma
σῶμα
body
N-NNS
3588 [e]
tēs
τῆς
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Art-GFS
266 [e]
hamartias
ἁμαρτίας ,
of sin
N-GFS
3588 [e]
tou
τοῦ
[that]
Art-GNS
3371 [e]
mēketi
μηκέτι
no longer
Adv
1398 [e]
douleuein
δουλεύειν
are enslaved
V-PNA
1473 [e]
hēmas
ἡμᾶς
we
PPro-A1P
3588 [e]
tē
τῇ
-
Art-DFS
266 [e]
hamartia
ἁμαρτίᾳ .
to sin
N-DFS
https://biblehub.com/text/romans/6-6.htm
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6 touto
6 τοῦτο
6 this
6 DPro-ANS
1097 [e]
ginōskontes
γινώσκοντες ,
knowing
V-PPA-NMP
3754 [e]
hoti
ὅτι
that
Conj
3588 [e]
ho
ὁ
-
Art-NMS
3820 [e]
palaios
παλαιὸς
old
Adj-NMS
1473 [e]
hēmōn
ἡμῶν
of us
PPro-G1P
444 [e]
anthrōpos
ἄνθρωπος
self
N-NMS
4957 [e]
synestaurōthē
συνεσταυρώθη ,
was crucified with [Him]
V-AIP-3S
2443 [e]
hina
ἵνα
so that
Conj
2673 [e]
katargēthē
καταργηθῇ
might be annulled
V-ASP-3S
3588 [e]
to
τὸ
the
Art-NNS
4983 [e]
sōma
σῶμα
body
N-NNS
3588 [e]
tēs
τῆς
-
Art-GFS
266 [e]
hamartias
ἁμαρτίας ,
of sin
N-GFS
3588 [e]
tou
τοῦ
[that]
Art-GNS
3371 [e]
mēketi
μηκέτι
no longer
Adv
1398 [e]
douleuein
δουλεύειν
are enslaved
V-PNA
1473 [e]
hēmas
ἡμᾶς
we
PPro-A1P
3588 [e]
tē
τῇ
-
Art-DFS
266 [e]
hamartia
ἁμαρτίᾳ .
to sin
N-DFS
It obviously troubled Jesus also. He went to great lengths to warn people... and then he allowed Himself to be "tortured". He did that for us.
Can you imagine how the Father felt as he had to watch vile men mutilate His dear Son? God is capable of anger and wrath. It is our job to warn them that rejecting the grace and mercy that Jesus bought with His own blood carries dire consequences.
Shall we cast our lot with the vile pigs who crucified the most beautiful thing that ever graced the face of the Earth? Shall we plead for them and ignore any sense of justice whatsoever? Mercy and grace is bountiful and free. Woe to them who reject it.
Can you imagine how the Father felt as he had to watch vile men mutilate His dear Son? God is capable of anger and wrath. It is our job to warn them that rejecting the grace and mercy that Jesus bought with His own blood carries dire consequences.
Shall we cast our lot with the vile pigs who crucified the most beautiful thing that ever graced the face of the Earth? Shall we plead for them and ignore any sense of justice whatsoever? Mercy and grace is bountiful and free. Woe to them who reject it.
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Yes, He did.
2 Peter 3:9
“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
No man would knowingly attempt to touch the almighty omnipotent Creator of the universe. Any man would understand that He was signing his own death sentence. Jesus gave them a second chance. That is mercy. That is love.
Christ did not go to the cross just to keep men from "poofing" out of existence. He desires to save us from eternal doom.
2 Peter 3:9
“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
No man would knowingly attempt to touch the almighty omnipotent Creator of the universe. Any man would understand that He was signing his own death sentence. Jesus gave them a second chance. That is mercy. That is love.
Christ did not go to the cross just to keep men from "poofing" out of existence. He desires to save us from eternal doom.
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When I was very young, these thoughts used to trouble me also.
As I got older, I began to see the darkness of man's heart. I began to understand that things like torture were real and some men actually derived joy from such things. Crucifixion is a fine example. Some men choose to adopt Satan as their Father. To sympathize with them is to sympathize with their Father.
1 John 3:8
“He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.”
John 8:44
“Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.”
Jeremiah 17:9
“The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?”
We must all come to the place of Job before we can be at peace with ourselves and our maker.
Job 40:
3Then Job answered the LORD, and said,
4Behold, I am vile; what shall I answer thee? I will lay mine hand upon my mouth.
Job 42:
3Who is he that hideth counsel without knowledge? therefore have I uttered that I understood not; things too wonderful for me, which I knew not.
5I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee.
6Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.
As I got older, I began to see the darkness of man's heart. I began to understand that things like torture were real and some men actually derived joy from such things. Crucifixion is a fine example. Some men choose to adopt Satan as their Father. To sympathize with them is to sympathize with their Father.
1 John 3:8
“He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.”
John 8:44
“Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.”
Jeremiah 17:9
“The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?”
We must all come to the place of Job before we can be at peace with ourselves and our maker.
Job 40:
3Then Job answered the LORD, and said,
4Behold, I am vile; what shall I answer thee? I will lay mine hand upon my mouth.
Job 42:
3Who is he that hideth counsel without knowledge? therefore have I uttered that I understood not; things too wonderful for me, which I knew not.
5I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee.
6Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.
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God loves you and I very much. He does not want us to be bitter, angry, or frustrated. He just wants us to trust Him and know He loves us. Please just trust that His ways are higher than our ways. I was confused as I watched my mother and father die, but I found that it was ok to just let go and trust God. He is our only hope. Don't cut the cord.
John 6:
66From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
67Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
68Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
John 6:
66From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
67Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
68Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
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I can't imagine that your imagination is so limited as not be able to fathom h
You just posted about how ridiculous death would be if it were just ceasing to exist. And it in fact that is exactly what death is, you yourself are poopooing death. Yet, why then do we refer to death as being deceased?
You just posted about how ridiculous death would be if it were just ceasing to exist. And it in fact that is exactly what death is, you yourself are poopooing death. Yet, why then do we refer to death as being deceased?
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You keep pushing this atheistic materialistic view of death as if anyone here but you and maybe
Ed holds to it when nobody else has said anything of the sort. You have asked me about it more
than once and I directly answered more than once yet you say you keep asking because nobody
answers. It is hard not to conclude from this that you have a problem with comprehension.
This topic comes up regularly as any any other. Some Christians say such things as, death is not
punishment, and death is nothing to fear. Both these attitudes fly in the face of what Scripture
actually says. They erroneously claim that if punishment is not ongoing, it has never happened.
Somehow when this topic comes up, their ability to reason flies out the window.
Ed holds to it when nobody else has said anything of the sort. You have asked me about it more
than once and I directly answered more than once yet you say you keep asking because nobody
answers. It is hard not to conclude from this that you have a problem with comprehension.
This topic comes up regularly as any any other. Some Christians say such things as, death is not
punishment, and death is nothing to fear. Both these attitudes fly in the face of what Scripture
actually says. They erroneously claim that if punishment is not ongoing, it has never happened.
Somehow when this topic comes up, their ability to reason flies out the window.
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