Has a lie crept in to our bible Does God allow demons to torment people
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We are tempted when we are drawn away by your own lusts and enticed.
James 1
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: 14But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. 15Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. 16Do not err, my beloved brethren. 17Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. 18Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
Satan is the accuser:
Revelation 12
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Through the blood of Jesus we overcome the enemy and the world. Jesus died to set us free from the curse, shame, and guilt of sin. He is our advocate or lawyer through Him we have access to the Father and come boldly before his throne. ( Don't have to have anymore more guilt or shame).
1John 2
1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
Hebrews 4
14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
Through Jesus we are overcomers. All power in heaven and earth has been given to Jesus. Rebuke the devil in the name of Jesus and he will flee.
James 1
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: 14But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. 15Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. 16Do not err, my beloved brethren. 17Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. 18Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
Satan is the accuser:
Revelation 12
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Through the blood of Jesus we overcome the enemy and the world. Jesus died to set us free from the curse, shame, and guilt of sin. He is our advocate or lawyer through Him we have access to the Father and come boldly before his throne. ( Don't have to have anymore more guilt or shame).
1John 2
1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
Hebrews 4
14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
Through Jesus we are overcomers. All power in heaven and earth has been given to Jesus. Rebuke the devil in the name of Jesus and he will flee.
Lets look at some of that Muslim holiness that the Prophet Muhammed revealed......, as why not share it on a Christian forum.
""Muslim advocacy for drinking camel urine is back in the news, this time in connection with the coronavirus, which is especially ironic if not deadly, as will be explained. An "Islamic medicine specialist" and director of a religious-scientific institution in Iran recently called on his countrymen to drink camel urine as the "best cure" for coronavirus and other ailments."""
And this..
""""Somewhat relatedly, Muhammad's own urine — which some of his followers eagerly drank — was and continues to be considered a great and salutary blessing, one that even safeguards against the fires of Hell."""""
https://www.meforum.org/60765/camel-urine-islam-best-cure-for-coronavirus
""Muslim advocacy for drinking camel urine is back in the news, this time in connection with the coronavirus, which is especially ironic if not deadly, as will be explained. An "Islamic medicine specialist" and director of a religious-scientific institution in Iran recently called on his countrymen to drink camel urine as the "best cure" for coronavirus and other ailments."""
And this..
""""Somewhat relatedly, Muhammad's own urine — which some of his followers eagerly drank — was and continues to be considered a great and salutary blessing, one that even safeguards against the fires of Hell."""""
https://www.meforum.org/60765/camel-urine-islam-best-cure-for-coronavirus
That really is a blatant attempt to cast doubt on me, seariously.. ok the quran is not holy. there you go sorry once again lol 
No need to read that GARBAGE.
That is exactly how the devil works to deceive. He'll put a little truth in when he is twisting the Word of God to deceive you.
Seems that is exactly what he is doing to you. If you are letting him use the Quran to pit you against the Word of God.
So quit reading it and call it what it really is... total blasphemous garbage.... and put all you learned from it where it belongs in the... trash.
Ive talked to people all over this world.
Ive been on the Mt of Olives talking to a muslim, as he was trying to explain ....""""see right there. by the temple wall.......that is where Muhammed ascended into paradise on his white horse"...
= Yikes.
Thats almost as good as ; "Mary ascended into heaven, a perpetual virgin".
Why is it that the bigger the lie, the more people believe it?
Strange, isn't it. ??
So, the problem is.........Islam is a Satanic counterfeit of Christianity.
As we Know , Satan wanted to be God, and ended up down here as the god of this fallen world.
He has counterfeited Christianity , with Islam....complete with a Angel, a Bible, a Prophet, and a Heaven.
Most dont realize that Islam teaches that the same angel (Gabriel) that told Mary about her SON, is the same angel that gave Muhammed the "Quran".
The Quran says that the Angel Gabriel has......>"600 wings"
(muhammed who was illiterate, a drunk, and a pedophile, dictated the Quran.
Uh huh.
And i can fly backwards, even when my rockets are not turned on, or fully charged.
So .........
What is the main difference between the Satanic Islam "god", and the God of Abraham and Father of all the Born again??
Well there are a few.
The Biggest is that in the Islam religion, "allah", requires that your son's die for Him.
In Christianity, God came down here to die for all of us, by offering us HIS only begotten Son.
So, another time i was talking to a muslim, and i asked them.........."why is it that allah's paradise, does not allow women in it, but only men.??
He assured me that "there will come that time when allah resolves this issue, no worries"
Ok, im not worried., np.
And why does "allah" and the Prophet not allow women in allah's paradise?
You wanted to know, Reader????
Because allah's paradise is a whorehouse in the sky.
allah's paradise is "63 virgins" waiting to pleasure , for eternity, all who die for allah.
This is why these carnal devils are jumping to be the next one, as they get the VIRGIN GIRLS...........(they believe).
So, as ISLAM does not allow homosexuality...........if a Islamic woman went to paradise, she would be pleasured by 63 women.
Uh oh.....
= Thats a "no no" according to "allah" and "the prophet"......so, no paradise for Islamic women, who blow themselves up trying to kill Jews or anyone else who isn't a allah worshiping fanatic.
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I disagree, there is a case for being informed, so that we can use that information to refute a belief system, our faith and knowledge of our own faith and belief system shouldn’t quail at the thought of investigation a false one, of course you can refute others on the strength of Gods scripture, yet there are times we should use the inadequacies of their text to illustrate error so that we are able provide them with a suitable and accurate alternative.
Having a valid opinion can only be strengthened by having read the material you attempting to discuss. There is no difference between investigation another doctrinal position before testing that belief against God word.
Having a valid opinion can only be strengthened by having read the material you attempting to discuss. There is no difference between investigation another doctrinal position before testing that belief against God word.
"of the Devil" = Islam.
How crazy anti Truth is it?
Its this crazy.......
They , the Islam religion, is waiting for their "savior", the Mahdi..
Who is this? He is known as the Christian "anti-Christ" the "son of Perdition".
And why does Iran and Islam want to start a World War 111? Its because their RELIGION teaches them that if they start a world wide war, their Mahdi, will show up.
So, that is why they are going to keep pushing for that NUKE......as they believe they can "usher in" their "savior" this way.
Welcome to "islam", the religion of "peace", with the same God as the Christians, all News Media outlets proclaim.
How crazy anti Truth is it?
Its this crazy.......
They , the Islam religion, is waiting for their "savior", the Mahdi..
Who is this? He is known as the Christian "anti-Christ" the "son of Perdition".
And why does Iran and Islam want to start a World War 111? Its because their RELIGION teaches them that if they start a world wide war, their Mahdi, will show up.
So, that is why they are going to keep pushing for that NUKE......as they believe they can "usher in" their "savior" this way.
Welcome to "islam", the religion of "peace", with the same God as the Christians, all News Media outlets proclaim.
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Your being unfair there, you are correct that we shouldn’t offer an honorific to blasphemous text, and personally I wouldn’t ascribe Holy to the book or prophet to the Man, but billions of people do, de_emerald did retract his statement and apologized for the mistake, how about we extend some credit for his humility instead of continuing vilifying him after the fact,
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There is no need to study some false religion to try to come up with a way to refute it with scripture or defend the scripture.
The Word of God...it is a double edged sword and can easily defend itself against any false religion. All you have to know is the word of God, and you can easily refute any false religion by speaking the Word of God.
Getting tangled up in studying some false religion...especially if you are not first trained in the Word of God and competent enough to use the Sword of the Spirit correctly could prove dangerous.
The Word of God...it is a double edged sword and can easily defend itself against any false religion. All you have to know is the word of God, and you can easily refute any false religion by speaking the Word of God.
Getting tangled up in studying some false religion...especially if you are not first trained in the Word of God and competent enough to use the Sword of the Spirit correctly could prove dangerous.
This is the problem i have andy, is i can not accept God allows suffering for so long befor he puts an end to it especially from the hands of those suffering at the hands of demons. I really cant accept this, it really is like rubbing salt into my wounds. My biggest reason i cant accept this, is because ive seen demons at work with my on eyes, causing deliberate shame on a person, causing trouble, tempting a person into harms way (ive seen them wisper in a persons ear. tempting a person to harm them selfs or tempting a person to do something dangerous. plus ive seen them seperate friendships. ive seen there mental abuse close with my own eyes. and the misery they can bring to a person, not to mention the look of pure evil in there eyes.
So when i read peter and it says many christians are suffering at the hands satan. and then peter says after you have suffered a while God will restore you, i take that to mean satan will cause a christian to suffer a while, not God will only allow satan to do so much.
So when i read peter and it says many christians are suffering at the hands satan. and then peter says after you have suffered a while God will restore you, i take that to mean satan will cause a christian to suffer a while, not God will only allow satan to do so much.
So in a nutshell you don't believe the Bible because you have your own ideas about what God should and should not do, that He should be like you, think like you think, and when you are surprised by scripture you reject it instead of trying to humbly understand it through prayer and study?
Is that accurate?
Is that accurate?
Your latter point is correct, well I will concede to all your points to a point, “there is no need” and how do you know that without knowing the individual your addressing? When a atheist argues with you about your definition of the validity of scripture, do you counter this with more scripture or do you use his argument against him? In order to use let’s say objective morality as your proof for a Supernatural being wouldn’t you need to actually know the definition and phycology behind objective v’s subjective morality and it’s effects in relation to logic and society?.
So it’s beneficial, is it not to have an understanding of science when refuting arguments built upon it’s supposed truth, like I said there’s nothing wrong with being well read into a subject you intend to debate, you say that the Quran, is dangerous then is better to know our adversary is it not?
And as to:
“All you have to know is the word of God, and you can easily refute any false religion by speaking the Word of God.”
That all fine and dandy if you actually give the Bible any credence, remember it’s not the choir your preaching to, using a text you! happen to have faith in, isn’t going to effect change in their mind, when they don’t relate or belief as you do, you undermine belief when you can show it’s wrong, because it’s indefensible by their truth. God can and does intercede directly through conviction, yet we also are expected to act in accordance with His will, I just happen to think that knowledge is powerful and that power grows through our exposer to its source.
So it’s beneficial, is it not to have an understanding of science when refuting arguments built upon it’s supposed truth, like I said there’s nothing wrong with being well read into a subject you intend to debate, you say that the Quran, is dangerous then is better to know our adversary is it not?
And as to:
“All you have to know is the word of God, and you can easily refute any false religion by speaking the Word of God.”
That all fine and dandy if you actually give the Bible any credence, remember it’s not the choir your preaching to, using a text you! happen to have faith in, isn’t going to effect change in their mind, when they don’t relate or belief as you do, you undermine belief when you can show it’s wrong, because it’s indefensible by their truth. God can and does intercede directly through conviction, yet we also are expected to act in accordance with His will, I just happen to think that knowledge is powerful and that power grows through our exposer to its source.
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Many muslims have read the quran and become christian. jacky chan is a great example. i love his sermons. he even preaches live on the streets in the middle east to muslims. he can get through to them better because he knows the quran.
I was told to fully get to know my enemy By God and God told me to read the quran so i did. God showed me many passages how satan decieves in the quran,. ive allready expained that here, if you and others dont want to accept that explanation and keep wanting to deny that what i was asked to do by God was wrong thats your choice. Gods uses people and speaks to people in diffrent ways. what God asked me to do and how much faith he Gives me to endure, may be diffrent than what he asks others to do, and how much faith he gives others may be less to.
The fact is there is billions of muslims being decieved by the quran and they need saving just as much as anyone here needs saving.
Oh and the quran is evil your right about that.
I was told to fully get to know my enemy By God and God told me to read the quran so i did. God showed me many passages how satan decieves in the quran,. ive allready expained that here, if you and others dont want to accept that explanation and keep wanting to deny that what i was asked to do by God was wrong thats your choice. Gods uses people and speaks to people in diffrent ways. what God asked me to do and how much faith he Gives me to endure, may be diffrent than what he asks others to do, and how much faith he gives others may be less to.
The fact is there is billions of muslims being decieved by the quran and they need saving just as much as anyone here needs saving.
Oh and the quran is evil your right about that.
I can understand your point and have heard this reasoning all of my life...but what I'm saying is the Scripture is more than able to defend it's self.
All false religions are easily refuted by the Word of God.
Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.
All you really have to do, is use the Sword of Spirit and it will do the rest.
All false religions are easily refuted by the Word of God.
Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.
All you really have to do, is use the Sword of Spirit and it will do the rest.
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