GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

beta · Feb 4, 2018

You know it is impossible to have a spiritual discussion with a natural man 1Cor 2v11. This is not meant to belittle anyone but rather make one consider one's standing with God...
and the natural man has not 'in his heart yet submitted to God from the start. Your opposition is obvious from every sentence.

Looking for fault in me is blinding you to your own lack of progress !

beta · Feb 4, 2018

posthuman said:

Yes

thank you

perhaps you are not aware that Studyman's position is that Colossians 2 says exactly the opposite of what it really says?
Studyman says here Paul is telling us that we are commanded to keep and in fact to judge one another over observing feast days, sabbath days and new moon festival.

he focuses only on sabbath however, and though i've been asking plainly and pointedly for several moons now, he won't tell me how i'm supposed to observe new moon festivals.

the others here, they point at Isaiah 66:23 and say "see? sabbath is mentioned, so you must keep sabbath ((or else!!))" -- but this same verse says new moon festival too, and they are silent on that issue.

if these things argue that sabbath is commanded and we - faith in Christ not being sufficient - will go to hell if we don't ritually, physically observe it, then the exact same arguments also say we must keep new moon festivals or meet the same fate, again, the atonement of Christ's shed blood not making any difference. ((according to their 'gospel'))

so, for what, 3 months now? more? i've been trying to get help from them on what i should do to be saved - which, in their gospel ((which is no gospel at all)), translates to how do i observe new moon festival? and others have been asking them, how do i observe sabbath?

they don't answer; they don't lift a finger to help with the burden they place on my back by their 'knowledge'
-- but you have answered me with comfort and truth. thank you

I have already said 'CHRIST is our Helper and Teacher...WE also, who walk with Him RELY On HIM....not each other ! so why are you asking US for help and comfort ? Where is the COMFORTER He would send from the Father ...HE should be IN you ! but obviously not in the DISobedient !

PS · Feb 4, 2018

Shamah said:

I offer this from a better man than me:

"a. The Sabbath was another empty religious observance for the Jewish people of Isaiah’s day. God calls them to take a delight in the heart and in the purpose of the Sabbath - to honor Him, not doing your own ways.

i. This fits in perfectly with the fulfillment of the Sabbath in light of the finished work of Jesus. We keep the Sabbath when we set aside every day to honor Him, and by not doing your own ways as a means of justifying ourselves.

ii. Are Christians required to keep the Sabbath today? The New Testament makes it clear that Christians are not under obligation to observe a Sabbath day (Col_2:16-17; Gal_4:9-11), because Jesus fulfills the purpose and plan of the Sabbath for us and in us (Heb_4:9-11).

iii. Gal_4:10 tells us that Christians are not bound to observe days and months and seasons and years. The rest we enter into as Christians is something to experience every day, not just one day a week - the rest of knowing we don’t have to work to save ourselves, but that our salvation was accomplished in Jesus (Heb_4:9-10).

iv. The Sabbath commanded here and observed by Israel was a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ (Col_2:16-17). We have a rest in Jesus that is ours to live in every day. Therefore, since the shadow of the Sabbath is fulfilled in Jesus, we are free to keep any day - or no day - as a Sabbath after the custom of ancient Israel. However, though we are free from the legal obligation of the Sabbath, we dare not ignore the importance of a day of rest - God has built us so that we need one.

v. If anyone would insist on the Sabbath, they must also insist on the six-day work week. Exo_20:9, in the command regarding the Sabbath, says Six days you shall labor and do all your work. Adam Clarke says on that passage, “He who idles his time away in the six days is equally culpable in the sight of God as he who works on the seventh.” (Clarke)

b. When we keep the meaning of the Sabbath, not merely as an empty religious ritual, then you shall delight yourself in the LORD. God will bless us, and we shall delight, not only in the blessings, but in the LORD Himself. We know it is sure, because the mouth of the LORD has spoken.

c. In this chapter, God exposed the emptiness of two religious rituals as practiced in Isaiah’s day: fasting and Sabbath keeping. Both of these are expressions of not doing things. In fasting, you don’t eat. In Sabbath keeping, you don’t work. An important aspect to this chapter is showing us that what we don’t do isn’t enough to make us right before God. Our walk with God shouldn’t only be defined by what we don’t do, but rather what we do for the LORD.

David Guzik ends by asking "What do we do for the LORD?"

PS · Feb 4, 2018

LoveGodForever said:

Verse 10 is there, and the 's' on Sabbaths. Is your dogma so important to you, that you make false accusations against another?

beta · Feb 4, 2018

justpassinthrough said:

It is obvious you are looking for any scripture that seemingly provides a way out of keeping Sabbath holy.
We have already got biblical instruction to focus mainly on SPIRIT when observing Commandments and worshipping God Joh 4v23, 24....but rejecting the 'basic Principles and Standards God requires is not helping....they are spiritual, eternal and already established as a foundation upon which we are building.
Paul in no way 're-arranges God's Creation by giving us leave to change the Sabbath day. Paul is saying 'that is what some do' THEY esteem over and above what GOD set up....do you think that is the right thing to do ??? Its a grave misunderstanding of what Paul is saying and is leading trad christianity down the road to destruction. NO one can best God and get away with it so they had better swiftly get back 'in line with God's Will or they will suffer the consequences.

There is little point discussing anything else UNTIL they correct this grave error !!!

LoveGodForever · Feb 4, 2018

PS said:

Now PS your just plain lying now. This is sad for you. You quoted my post in your last one where I added in v10 and the Sabbath(S), where I was quoting from your original post here.......

Yep doesn't look good for you now.

Only God's Word is true and is why we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE.

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In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

beta · Feb 4, 2018

posthuman said:

I can understand your frustration...that's why I say to listen to Jesus and scripture for advice and clarification rather than to man or woman (in my case)....we are easily MISunderstood.

I do not think we are to adhere to Moses law in the NT. However the Old law had the benefit of teaching right and wrong in a very simple way to very simple people who had no spiritual concept of God's future requirements. They had to be shown by literal physical comparison and example.
It is not really the case that 'mixed fabrics are evil and wicked....but the mixing of what is holy with UNholy that is not what should be done Lev 10v10.
I have mentioned this many times but people adamantly assure me that the law of God IS ONE LAW and can never be separated therefore they ascribe it all to Moses (the sacred 10 + the carnal works) and happily see them all fulfilled and abolished TOGETHER....meaning - NO more Commandments to keep. That is the erronious state of christianity today...they put NO difference between holy and UNholy ! It's not a question of going to hell for wearing mixed fabrics but of lumping together good AND evil, holy AND Unholy !!!

PS · Feb 4, 2018

LoveGodForever said:

That was a response to posthuman. You appear confused. Very...

You are also 2000 years out of date.

You are also confused about commandment, which is to keep the Lord's Day HOLY.

Neither do you have any regard for the finished work of Christ.

You are also disobeying scripture by judging others, which you have no right to do.

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
(Col 2:16 KJV)

prove-all · Feb 4, 2018

PS said:

You are deceived by mans teachings, the 7th day Sabbath of Gods was
changed to Sunday the lords day, by the devils influence, not by God.

The bible even warns that this time change would happen.

Do you? Christ said to keep the Passover, also the feast day of unleavened bread,
but by the devils influnce on man, the world keeps the pagan easter festivel.

TrustingGod4life · Feb 4, 2018

Ok so the sabbath is the day for rest. The feast how can I find out about those exactly and how to keep them?

PS · Feb 4, 2018

prove-all said:

The word 'day' yom in Hebrew means a period of time, either 24 hours, it can also mean an "age" or even "eternity." Strong's Hebrew: 3117. יוֹם (yom) -- day

The earth was not created in six 24 hour periods. That is the first Jewish error.

The current year in the Jewish calender is 5778. That is incorrect, cavemen were living long before that so making the Jewish calender null and void.

The commandment is to work six days, and to rest on the seventh which we need to keep Holy unto the Lord.

Remembering Christ's resurrection is not of the devil. Think about the implications of what you are saying. That is a disgusting accusation worthy only of the Pharisees.

LoveGodForever · Feb 4, 2018

PS said:

That was a response to posthuman. You appear confused.

Hello Friend,

No I am not confused at all. I read your post to PH and that is why I responded to it in post # 4349 linked because what you were posting was twisting scripture. Please by all means re-read the post.

PS said:

Yes this scriptures is what the the OP is about did you want to address all the scriptures in the OP that disagree with your interpretation of 1 scripture? Just quoting the scripture the OP is about does not adress the OP and only shows you have not read it.

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In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

PS · Feb 4, 2018

LoveGodForever said:

PS said:

You are not my friend and neither do I want the conversation to degenerate any further. This is why you are on ignore. Goodbye.

LoveGodForever · Feb 4, 2018

PS said:

LoveGodForever said:

Ok bye bye

gb9 · Feb 4, 2018

LoveGodForever said:

PS said:

the guy who thinks you have to use 40 yanked out of context verses , out of 5 different books, to " understand " what John meant in his 1st letter, the commands he was referring to are believe in the name of the Son and love one another is accusing someone of twisting Scripture.

since you have made an idol out of a day, you have to find a way to attach Sabbath to every N.T. Scripture , to satisfy your desire to lift up your idol.

LoveGodForever · Feb 4, 2018

gb9 said:

LoveGodForever said:

And yet here we are still waiting for you to respond to the posts and scriptures that disagree with you showing the Chapter and within Scripture CONTEXT of 1 John 3:23.

Please see the linked posts that discuss the CONTEXT of 1 John 3:23 in detail below...

POST # 4133; POST # 4137; POST # 4138; POST # 4266 and POST # 4254 (All linked)

Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE.

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In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

beta · Feb 4, 2018

PS said:

The thing is that when we refer to scripture that does not agree with you we are immediately accused of JUDGING....when all it is is DISCUSSION based on GOD's Word..Because you don't hear God you believe it coming from us....when in truth it is GOD who judges...NOW !!! or do you think it will always be 'future ? it started at the 'house of God CENTURIES ago.

prove-all · Feb 4, 2018

PS said:

Easter did not originate with the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Encyclopedias and dictionaries
trace the term Easter variously back to Eostre , the name of the Anglo-Saxon goddess of spring;
to Eostur , the Norse word for the spring season; or to Ishtar , the ancient spring goddess of
Near Eastern countries, also known as Astarte , or, in the Bible, Ashtoreth .

All are connected to the spring season and springtime fertility festivals that represented rejuvenation,
reproduction and the life-enriching qualities of the sun. Customs and symbols associated today with
Easter observance can be directly traced back to Easter's preChristian origins.

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The Roman Rite has been adapted over the centuries by
the Catholic Church, following the old Antiquity of the Roman Mass
a Liturgical_rite they adapted from times of old before Christ, it reads
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Rite

It is still redolent of that liturgy, of the days when Caesar ruled the world
and thought he could stamp out the faith of Christ, when our fathers met
together before dawn and sang a hymn to Christ as to a God.

beta · Feb 4, 2018

PS said:

Actually you have a point. The time for 'pussifooting around you rebels should stop and we should IGNORE YOU...because you have no humility or intention of learning anything from GOD's Word.It's time to stop feeding you His precious Word which you trample underfoot. Those who never change have to be left to themselves....biblical advice Rev 22v11-15.

prove-all · Feb 4, 2018

The Bible does not mention Easter at all. Neither Jesus nor the apostles
ever indicated or directed that it should be observed.

The word Easter in Acts:12:4 in the King James Version is an incorrect translation of
the Greek word pascha , which refers to Passover , not Easter. This mistake has been
corrected in modern translations of the New Testament.

Polycarp

After the death of the apostle John, a disciple of his, Polycarp,
waged a controversy over the Passover-Easter question with the
bishop of Rome, by then leader of the church started by Simon.

Still later, another disciple of Christ’s true Christianity,
Polycrates, waged a still hotter controversy over the same
Passover-Easter question with another bishop of Rome.

This theological battle was called the Quartodeciman Controversy.
Polycrates contended, as Jesus and the original apostles taught,

that the Passover should be observed in the new Christian form
introduced by Jesus and by the apostle Paul (1 Corinthians 11),

using unleavened bread and wine instead of sacrificing a lamb,
on the eve of the 14th Nisan (first month in the sacred calendar,
occurring in the spring).
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But [the Rome church] insisted that it be observed on a Sunday.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartodecimanism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter_controversy

Polycarp was a disciple of John the Apostle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polycarp

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