GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

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UNBELIEF is from those that follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God because they choose not to believe God's Word and hold on to man made traditions. If you do not believe God's Word that is shared here. Please by all means make your case and let's talk scripture?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word..
Keeping the sabbath day because you believe Jesus will hold it against you if you don't, is an example of unbelief because Jesus told the Pharisees why His disciples were guiltless for profaning the sabbath in Matthew 12:1-7 and that was because Jesus was with them as He is the One greater than the Temple for why those O.T. saints were guiltless because they were in that Temple.

You are guiltless for profaning the sabbath, because Jesus Christ is in you. That is why Jesus is Lord of the sabbath. If you do not believe that about Him, then this is where keeping the sabbath is laboring in unbelief because you are denying Him as Lord of the sabbath.

Believers can honor the Lord on the sabbath day because He is Lord of the sabbath, but if they keep the sabbath day because they think Jesus will hold it against them for not doing keeping the sabbath day, then they are dishonoring Him as Lord of the sabbath on that day.
 
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u make threats instead of proving me wrong.
I'm sorry you took it that way.

It is true that I didn't speak to your offering, and I was speaking to you,
as a brother in Jesus.
And not to threaten.
I was try to offer the insight of a man twice your age.

And I stuck up for you when Hizikyah pierced you.
(Don't think he really meant to.)

what i posted was truth.
With respect, sir.
Jesus' words in the holy Bible is the truth.

u DONT do all the things that sabbath requires in the law, nobody does, its not possible in a modern society in 2017.
Yes, you said.

And I was saying you are missing out if you happen to be wrong.
And certainly God's word says you are wrong.
You could so easily check, if you were allowed to His law.

or else u would be still stoning people who dont keep the sabbath and making sure no one works inside ur city gates and u would not make a fire so turn off the heat during sabbath.
Actually I do.
I stone them with commandments from the law.

You should hear them complain.

if u cant handle truth too bad.
Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness,
and Thy law is the truth.

Psalm 119:142

Great peace have they which love Thy law:
and nothing shall offend them.

Psalm 119:165

Love, peace, and unleavened bread.
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Keeping the sabbath day because you believe Jesus will hold it against you if you don't, is an example of unbelief because Jesus told the Pharisees why His disciples were guiltless for profaning the sabbath in Matthew 12:1-7 and that was because Jesus was with them as He is the One greater than the Temple for why those O.T. saints were guiltless because they were in that Temple.

You are guiltless for profaning the sabbath, because Jesus Christ is in you. That is why Jesus is Lord of the sabbath. If you do not believe that about Him, then this is where keeping the sabbath is laboring in unbelief because you are denying Him as Lord of the sabbath.

Believers can honor the Lord on the sabbath day because He is Lord of the sabbath, but if they keep the sabbath day because they think Jesus will hold it against them for not doing keeping the sabbath day, then they are dishonoring Him as Lord of the sabbath on that day.
I agree And in my opinion, Jesus was the living tabernacle in flesh.
 

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Snoozy said:
or else u would be still stoning people who dont keep the sabbath and making sure no one works inside ur city gates and u would not make a fire so turn off the heat during sabbath.
Actually I do.
I stone them with commandments from the law.
Where is that in the Bible, that you are to stone people with commandments from the law?

Or are you modifying the law so that you can say you are keeping it?
 

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Matthew 5:17 [FONT=&quot]Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.[/FONT]

Did the Lord mean He would only fulfill the Levitical Law here?

Matthew 5:18 [FONT=&quot]For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

All must be fulfilled if the Levitical Law is no more. Right???

Matthew 5:19 [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Does this only apply to the Levitical Law as well???


It sure would have been nice for the Lord and for Paul to be more specific when they talked about the law IF there were so many different classifications.

The TRUTH is that the law was never to be separated. The levitical law was attached to the 10 commandments and the rest of the laws given through Moses. Only Judaizers and legalists wish to separate these inseperable laws in order to try to work at their favorite parts.


I hope you can see how ridiculous it is to try and seperate the law and make the Lord Jesus speak only to the Levitical Law and not to ALL the law. I'm pretty sure most everyone else can...


Your philosophy is wrecked in almost every part of the NT.[/FONT]
 
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Where is that in the Bible, that you are to stone people with commandments from the law?

Or are you modifying the law so that you can say you are keeping it?
thats what hes doing. this hebrew roots movement is a joke. its possibly of the devil. judaizers are back in full swing.

the apostles wrote in greek they didnt care about hebrew roots.
 
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Good day Enow.

Keeping the sabbath day because you believe Jesus will hold it against you if you don't, is an example of unbelief because Jesus told the Pharisees why His disciples were guiltless for profaning the sabbath in Matthew 12:1-7 and that was because Jesus was with them as He is the One greater than the Temple for why those O.T. saints were guiltless because they were in that Temple.
I keep the sabbath to come before Jesus.

These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations,
which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.

Leviticus 23:4

Tell us how you get Him to come, if not by making His sabbath?

You are guiltless for profaning the sabbath, because Jesus Christ is in you. That is why Jesus is Lord of the sabbath. If you do not believe that about Him, then this is where keeping the sabbath is laboring in unbelief because you are denying Him as Lord of the sabbath.
You really should check with what the Lord says before you speak.

I lifted up Mine hand unto them also in the wilderness,
that I would scatter them among the heathen, and disperse them through the countries;

Because they had not executed My judgments, but had despised My statutes, and had polluted My sabbaths,
and their eyes were after their fathers' idols.

Ezekiel 20:23-24

Believers can honor the Lord on the sabbath day because He is Lord of the sabbath, but if they keep the sabbath day because they think Jesus will hold it against them for not doing keeping the sabbath day, then they are dishonoring Him as Lord of the sabbath on that day.
The sabbath is three days.
We proclaim them in their seasons.
It is when the Lord sanctifies us.
And the sabbath is a perpetual covenant of God for all generations.

Some things you would know if you were studied in the law.

We will go three days' journey into the wilderness,
and sacrifice to the LORD our God, as He shall command us.

Exodus 8:27

After two days will He revive us:
in the third day He will raise us up,
and we shall live in His sight.

Hosea 6:2

Bless the Lord
Paul
 

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Indeed brother, I mean really who here actually goes out and slaughters lambs for sacrifices, blood offerings.

none of these men preaching this stuff in this thread do any of that. the pick and choice such things to create confusion And redirections. trick of the enemy for sure,
I think you have gone mad. Its the only explanation
 
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I think you have gone mad. Its the only explanation
That is your opinion and doesn't bother me at all haha, I guess that is what you resort too, normal debates without accusing others of such things or name calling is not norm around here. I know been there done that but I'm working on not doing such things like that as well. it takes a little time to change the verbiage.
 

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I agree but what does your post have to do with post # 246 saying that God's Law (10 commandments) are the standard of the Old Covenant, the New Covenant and the judgement to come and that God's Law is forever and the laws of Moses from the Old Covenant being shadows that are not part of the new because they were fulfilled and pointed to Jesus?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word....
Exodus 20 and Deut 5 are part of the Law. The Mosaic covenant was based on keeping the law.

The new covenant is based on grace alone through faith not on observance of days.

I see great benefit in observing the Moaday (Appointed times) of Lev 23, including the Sabbath; but neither my salvation nor my relationship with God depend on my doing so.


On Sabbath, As I spend the day in prayer and study of God's word, I celebrate not having to please God through my own efforts.

On Passover I remember that Jesus suffered on my behalf

On Firstfruits (Resurrection Sunday) I celebrate the Resurrection of Jesus.

On Shavout (Pentecost) I celebrate and commemorate the indwelling Holy Spirit.

On Yom Teruah (Day of trumpets) I celebrate the promise of the Rapture.

On Yom Kipur (Day of atonement) I remember that Jesus has clensed me from my sin(s) and has hidden them from God's sight.

On Sukkot I celebrate the Lord's birth.


On Sunday I church with like-minded believers.
 
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Did you see my post on washing, iamwhoiam?

It is the fourth post on that link.
No one else seemed to appreciate it, but I think you might understand it.

it takes a little time to change the verbiage.
[FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep My saying, he shall never see death.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
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John 8:51

Some habits are hard to change when you are quickened
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Hi MarcR nice to see your back and thanks very much for your post. A few comments below for your prayerful consideration.....

Exodus 20 and Deut 5 are part of the Law. The Mosaic covenant was based on keeping the law.
Actually no this is not quite correct. They are part of the Old Covenant but God's Law (10 commandments) and the mosaic laws were different and had entirely different roles within the Old Covenant. This has already been answered with a lot a scriptures in posts # 246 and post # 247. Maybe you missed these posts with all the supporting scriptures attached because you have not addressed the content in them?

The new covenant is based on grace alone through faith not on observance of days.
I see great benefit in observing the Moaday (Appointed times) of Lev 23, including the Sabbath; but neither my salvation nor my relationship with God depend on my doing so
Salvation in the New Covenant is the same as it has always been even in the Old Covenant and that is by Faith in God's Word. Believing and following what the Word of God says (Hebrews Chapter 11). We are indeed saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God lest any man should boast. The only thing that is different today is that we do not need to follow the ceremonial, Levitical, sacrificial offerings, annual festivals and civil laws that were shadows pointing to Jesus. God's Law written on the heart however is forever and is the standard in the Old Covenant, New Covenant and the Judgement to come. If your faith does not have the fruit of obedience you are still in your sins and do not know him who loves all. (see posts # 246 and post # 247 for more scripture this is only repeating).

On Sabbath, As I spend the day in prayer and study of God's word, I celebrate not having to please God through my own efforts.
Good for you praise him who loves all, so do I.

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word....
 
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Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Did the Lord mean He would only fulfill the Levitical Law here?
Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.


All must be fulfilled if the Levitical Law is no more. Right???
How did Jesus becoming our High Priest fulfill "Thou shall not Commit Adultery"

How did Jesus becoming our High Priest fulfill the Levitical Priesthood.

You should be able to answer these easy questions given you are a preacher of God's Word.

Did God's Priesthood pass, or did it change? You should be able to answer this question.

Has all been fulfilled? Did Jesus 2nd coming happen, has the great throne judgment taken place? No Grand Pa, these things have not been fulfilled, the same earth that Jesus walked on is the same earth that you and I walk on. So given these undisputable truths, and given Christ's Word you quoted, the Law is still here, but the Levitical Priesthood Sacrificial "Works and Deeds of the Law" for remission of sins has been changed. No longer is the flesh "Justified by Works of the Law" this priesthood has changed and we are now "Justified by Grace, through Faith of/in Jesus Christ. How can you not know these truths?


Matthew 5:19
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


Does this only apply to the Levitical Law as well???
I am not a Levitical Priest, and I am not the High Priest, so the Levitical Priesthood doesn't concern me. Jesus is my High Priest. So apart from the Levitical Priesthood, am I to preach to people that they shouldn't obey God's Commandments? Of course not. And given that Jesus is my High Priest, should I continue to teach the sacrifice of goats for remission of sins? Hoe foolish is it to clump all of God's Commandments along with the Levitical Priesthood.


It sure would have been nice for the Lord and for Paul to be more specific when they talked about the law IF there were so many different classifications.
Well there isn't "So Many" classifications. There is the definition of sin and there is a Priesthood charged with administering this definition, and with dealing with the remission of sins. The Priesthood, which deals with administration of God's Word and deals with the remissions of sins changed when our Messiah came.

But there is no where in the Bible that preaches the definition of sin has changed. This preaching comes from man and not from God. That is why it is so frustrating to you trying to defend your mainstream Doctrines and traditions with the Bible, just as it was for the Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time.

If you "Walked as Jesus Walked" you would receive the Spirit of Truth and you would have a completely different take on God's Word. No longer would it be necessary for you to cherry pick, reject, ignore, omit scriptures. Because EVERY word of God agree with EVERY other Word of God. Much easier to let the Word create your doctrine, than to use the Word to defend man's religious traditions.



The TRUTH is that the law was never to be separated. The levitical law was attached to the 10 commandments and the rest of the laws given through Moses. Only Judaizers and legalists wish to separate these inseperable laws in order to try to work at their favorite parts.
Yes, that is Catholic doctrine and by extension, your preaching to be sure. But Heb. 7 Separates them, Gal. 3:19 separates them, Abraham had God's Laws, but he didn't have the Levitical Priesthood as Levi wasn't born yet. So if your preaching is true, then Abraham would have had "The Whole" law because they can't be separated, but the scriptures clearly say He was justified "Without the Works of the Law" of justification that was ADDED 430 years after Abraham. Since you are a preacher, you should know this stuff Grandpa.

I hope you can see how ridiculous it is to try and seperate the law and make the Lord Jesus speak only to the Levitical Law and not to ALL the law. I'm pretty sure most everyone else can...
Well Jesus did say "MANY" would come in His name to deceive, and they would deceive "Many". And He did say His Path was difficult and few would be on it. So just because most people adhere to your preachi8ng, and few people actually follow the Bible, that is no reason for me to reject God's Word.

Matt. 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which?

Well, doesn't he know they are all one clump? There is no "Which" right?

What did Jesus tell Him?


Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, etc.

Any mention of bringing a goat so your sins can be forgiven? Why not? Any mention of the part of God's Law that has to do specifically with Levite priest's, you know the part that was "ADDED" to the Laws Abraham kept 430 years after Abraham according to Paul in Gal. 3:19?? You preach how ridiculous it is to separate God's Law when Jesus did just that.

Your philosophy is wrecked in almost every part of the NT.
No Grandpa,

The scriptures wreck Mainstream Christian teaching. You never answer any point or question I ask, you just keep moving the bar and changing the subject and moving on to the next scripture. Just once it would be good for you address my post instead of blowing it off because it goes against your church traditions.

This stuff is important don't you think?
 
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it is not for me to know, but you since you are following the Law, those are for you do and know and abide, let's not be cleshay about the law but follow them all. for I pick grain on the sabbath, pull sheep from a well on the sabbath, I'm not under those requirements.
Yes Jesus taught us that it is lawful to do good on God's Sabbath, he is our example and if we love him we should follow him who loves all. Jesus never forces anyone to follow him. Everyone is free to choose for themselves if they wish to believe His Word and walk as he walked.
 
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Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Hi Studyman, thanks for sharing, I like reading your posts. I see God is guiding your study of His Word and I feel blessed by Jesus to see those that know His Word here. Thank you. May I ask a favor? Can you re-post your post on following the tradition of man " We be Abrahams seed and not in bondage to any man" post? that would be interesting to discuss there in this thread I think. Only if you have time of course.

God bless you always as you continue in His Words
 

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Hi Studyman, thanks for sharing, I like reading your posts. I see God is guiding your study of His Word and I feel blessed by Jesus to see those that know His Word here. Thank you. May I ask a favor? Can you re-post your post on following the tradition of man " We be Abrahams seed and not in bondage to any man" post? that would be interesting to discuss there in this thread I think. Only if you have time of course.

God bless you always as you continue in His Words
I will if I can find it :)
 
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Where is that in the Bible, that you are to stone people with commandments from the law?
Or are you modifying the law so that you can say you are keeping it?
What you are referring to here are the civil laws of Moses for Israel before they were overthrown by the Roman Empire. These civil laws included the death penalty for anyone of God's people who were caught willfully breaking God's commandments. These civil laws given to Israel before the cross not only included God's 4th commandment the 7th day Sabbath but most of the other ten commandments.

What you did not mention above however was that there was similar punishments given to those that openly broke most of God’s Law (10 commandments). For example; Not honoring your mother and farther; death penalty ( Lev 20:9 ), Blaspheming or using God’s name in vain; death penalty ( Lev 24:10-17 ), Idolatry; death penalty ( Deut 27:15; Deut 7:25-26 ), serving other Gods; death penalty ( Deut 13:6-18; 1Sam 26:19 ), coveti ng and adultery; death penalty ( 2Pet 2:14; John 8:5 ), evil towards your neighbour; death penalty ( De ut 27:15-26 ) and yes as the 7th Day Sabbath is one of God’s 10 commandments it was also included and if it was openly broken just like adultery (John 8:5) people we re put to death.

Breaking God’s Law (10 commandments) is sin ( 1John 3:4 ) and the wages of sin is death (Rom 6:23). Nothing has changed and this is also recorded in the New Testament scriptures as well, although we are no longer under the civil, ceremonial, ecclesiastical, Levitical, Sanctuary laws of Moses which were shadows of things to come and have been nailed to the cross.

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word........
 

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Hi Studyman, thanks for sharing, I like reading your posts. I see God is guiding your study of His Word and I feel blessed by Jesus to see those that know His Word here. Thank you. May I ask a favor? Can you re-post your post on following the tradition of man " We be Abrahams seed and not in bondage to any man" post? that would be interesting to discuss there in this thread I think. Only if you have time of course.

God bless you always as you continue in His Words
Here it is LGF,

It's a long one, which disqualifies it by several on this forum. :)

I have carefully read and studied the Bible for many years, yet have come to very different conclusions than yourself. What is the way out of the alleged deception if not careful reading and studying the Bible?

Very good question. How is it LGF and others, including myself, can read the same Book you do, and come to a different conclusion.

The very same question could be asked by the Pharisees of Jesus and Paul and Peter's time, yes?

I mean here are the Mainstream preachers of Christ's time claiming to be Children of God, Children of Abraham.

John 8:33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?


They claimed belief on the God of Abraham, they claimed to be in bondage to no man. But what did Jesus tell them?

34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.


There is more on this engagement between Jesus and the Mainstream God of Abraham preachers of His time in John 8.

Certainly the Pharisees studied the bible as it existed then. AS did Jesus.

Luke 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

Yet these two factions, Jesus and the Mainstream preachers of His time had almost opposite understandings of the Bible.

It is fair to say not all Jews of that time had the same understanding as the Mainstream Preachers.


Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

So there seems to be a trend here.

The Mainstream Preachers claimed to be God's people, they read God's Words, yet they "Transgressed the Commandments of God by their own doctrines and traditions."

There is no indication that Zacharias or Jesus did this.

So we have one example of understanding that was gained by study in obedience to the instruction, ( Zacharias and Jesus)

And another example of study in disobedience to the instruction. (Mainstream preachers of that time)

There were more than just Zacharias.

Matt. 2: 1 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,
2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.


Here is another example of people who had a completely different understanding than the Mainstream preachers of that time. Is it wrong to assume that they, like Zacharias, also studied in obedience to the instruction?

And Peter, which side of this topic did he fall on?

Acts 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.
33 When they heard that, they were cut to the heart, and took counsel to slay them.


I have carefully read and studied the Bible for many years, yet have come to very different conclusions than yourself. What is the way out of the alleged deception if not careful reading and studying the Bible?
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here is only one difference between the examples in the Bible who understood God, and those who did not.

And it was because one example refused to obey the instruction of God, and created their own instructions, and the other example did not.

So fast forward to today. WE have a Mainstream Christian teaching that "Transgresses the Commandments of God by their own traditions and doctrines."

This is not a judgment, rather, a simple fact.

It is Mainstream Christian Tradition to transgress God's Sabbath Commandment and replace it with the Catholic Sabbath.

It is Mainstream Christian tradition to transgress God's Holy Days and replace them with Catholic high days.

It is Mainstream Christian Tradition to create images of God in the likeness of some long haired men's shampoo model, transgressing the first and greatest commandment.

It is Mainstream Christian Tradition to transgress God's Food Laws, and create their own definition of clean and unclean.

So it seems that even today, if a person studies in obedience to God's simple instructions he see's the scripture one way.

If a person studies scripture in transgression to God's simple instructions, he sees the scripture in another way.

I believe what Peter taught, that the Holy Spirit (Spirit of Truth) is given to those who do not "Transgress the Commandments of God by their own religious doctrines and traditions, and it seems LGF believes the same.

But I also know from Peter and Jesus that this belief will infuriate "many" who come in Christ's/God's name.

"When they heard that, they were cut to the heart, and took counsel to slay them."

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And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved."

My hope is that you might consider these words and understand.

John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. (Is it evil or righteous to transgress the commandments of God by doctrines and traditions of men?)


20 For every one that doeth evil(Transgress God's Commandments by their own Traditions) hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

Is this why the Mainstream preachers of Peters time set about to kill or silence Peter, so he wouldn't expose their transgression of God's Commandments?

21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest,.(let your light shine) that they are wrought in God.

So a circle complete once again. Those who live a doctrine created (wrought) by God have a different understanding than those who live a doctrine created by man.

Very honest, bold question you asked Dan. Not many would dare to ask such a question fearing the answer.

I hope you might consider my take on this good question.
 
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MATT. 21:42.
Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The Stone which the builders rejected,
The Same is become The Head of the corner: this is The Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

24:13.
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

MARK 13:13.
And you shall be hated of all for My Name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end,
the same shall be saved.

HEB. 13:8.
Jesus Christ The Same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
 

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Where is that in the Bible, that you are to stone people with commandments from the law?

Or are you modifying the law so that you can say you are keeping it?
Rom. 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

Paul preaches that the Law is Spiritual, Yes?

So when he says he died, did he physically die? Of course not. He died spiritually.

So ask yourself, When the "Commandment came", how did it come? Was it not through Moses and the Prophets? And what did the Commandment Moses and the Prophets show him? That He was in transgression of those same Commandments, Yes?

Num. 15:35 And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.36 And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses.

So Spiritually speaking when we read God's Word and we see from Moses, Caleb, Joshua, Jeremiah, Isaiah, in fact all the "Congregation of the Lord" we are in transgression, have they not all "Stoned" Paul with stones? Are these Commandments not created by Jesus before He became a man? Is he not the Stone the builders rejected.

"And when the Commandment came I was Spiritually stoned to death by the Congregation of the Lord".

Anyway , food for thought.