God LIED!

[Grandpa]

And what happens to those who don't obey? Do they lose their salvation?

The bible also says not to lean on your own understanding.

You know why? ( I'm pretty sure you do...)

Because your understanding will cause you to try to work for your blessing... again...

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

 

[John146]

I was referring to the "endure to the end" verse in Matthew 24.

Enduring to the end is a distinct characteristic of the Tribulation. Matthew says one requirement for them is to endure to the end, not for eternal salvation, but to be ushered into the kingdom promised to Israel, the Millennium. At no time can they become weary or impatient and take the mark of the beast. This sounds very familiar with Hebrews 6:

4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Here, the writer of Hebrews offers no hope of renewal. This hardly sounds like the Apostle Paul. Another interesting distinction is the emphasis in Hebrews placed on entering into the Lord's millennial rest as found at the end of chapter 3 and the majority of chapter 4.

 

[God4me]

Yes it was written to the church.

Not everyone in any particular church is saved, Many may walk away, And those passages are a warning to them, If you walk away without having received, You will never come back..

They are not directed to believers, but to nonbeliever in the church who have not yet made the decision to trust Christ, who are thinking of walking away.

Those in Heb 6, Were once saved,
v4, Once enlightened, tasted of the heavenly gift, were partakers of the Holy Ghost.
V5, Tasted the word of God, The power of World to come, [The coming Kingdom].

Heb 10 is talking to believers, V24, Let us, V25, Not forsaking the assembling of OURSELVES. V26, If WE.
Both He6, and Heb 10, is talking to and about Christians.

You sound like one of those false grace teachers.

 

[God4me]

Funny, Paul begged the Lord THREE TIMES to heal him. He was "letting" God heal him in spades.

You are one of the most messed up religious persons I have ever met.

[1]Who said God didn't deliver Paul??
[2]It wasn't a sickness that Paul had.
[3] If Paul, or anyone doesn't take authority over adverse circumstances, Then God can't, as He has given us the power and authority to bind and loose.
[4Jesus told Paul that His grace is all he needed to get the victory.
[5]Even if Paul didn't get the victory, it doesn't change God's word. And God said we are more than conquerors through God, Always triumph through Jesus and have the victory through faith, to overcome the problems of the world.

 

[God4me]

Also note Jesus was talking about those in the Tribulation Age - not those in the Church Age.

The Hebrew Church wasn't going through the tribulation age, as it hasn't happened yet.
Plus, the Church doesn't go through the tribulation period.

 

[God4me]

Oh I can't? Paul did, As did so many other of his children. I see people living it every day who are dying of cancer.

But that does not matter, lets get back to the gospel..ok??

People not getting the victory doesn't change God's word, You are going by people's experiences rather than what the Bible says.

 

[God4me]

You contradict scripture by adding to it.

That is NOT what God said. We are not to judge people by their appearance, because God does not judge by appearances.

If we were to judge by appearances, John the Baptist would never get in the front door.

Now I'm convinced you are nothing but a troll.

Anyone who loves Jesus, will dress as smart as they can to represent Him. It's those who have no respect for God, who go to Church, and even Minister, dressed scruffy.
If the heart is right, the dress will be right.

 

[God4me]

And what happens to those who don't obey? Do they lose their salvation?

1 Jn 3: 2--3 says Jesus is coming back for those who are just like Him, and they are the one who purify themselves.
Eph 5: 26--27 says Jesus is coming for a glorious Church, a people without spot or wrinkle, Not a rag tag bunch of people that are in the Church today.

 

[valiant]

Anyone who loves Jesus, will dress as smart as they can to represent Him. It's those who have no respect for God, who go to Church, and even Minister, dressed scruffy.
If the heart is right, the dress will be right.

Careful, I guess Jesus was often 'dressed scruffy', especially on his long journeys when He had nowhere to lay His head, and the weather was hot and He had no change of clothes.

 

[mailmandan]

Not a rag tag bunch of people that are in the Church today.

Just in case someone is not sure what rag-tag means:

rag·tag
ˈraɡˌtaɡ/

adjective
1. untidy, disorganized, or incongruously varied in character. "a ragtag group of idealists"

noun
1. a group of people perceived as disreputable or undesirable.

 

[valiant]

1 Jn 3: 2--3 says Jesus is coming back for those who are just like Him, and they are the one who purify themselves.
Eph 5: 26--27 says Jesus is coming for a glorious Church, a people without spot or wrinkle, Not a rag tag bunch of people that are in the Church today.

That rag tag bunch of people are said to be beloved by God.(Rom 1.7). Or were the slaves all well dressed?

God saw them as clothed in His righteousness

 

[John146]

The Hebrew Church wasn't going through the tribulation age, as it hasn't happened yet.
Plus, the Church doesn't go through the tribulation period.

It was written concerning the Jew going through the tribulation after the Church Age, therefore, Hebrews is placed chronologically after Paul's 13 epistles.

 

[Utah]

The bible also says not to lean on your own understanding.

You know why? ( I'm pretty sure you do...)

Because your understanding will cause you to try to work for your blessing... again...

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

Exactly my point. But God and you said it better.

 

[valiant]

Those in Heb 6, Were once saved,
v4, Once enlightened, tasted of the heavenly gift, were partakers of the Holy Ghost.
V5, Tasted the word of God, The power of World to come, [The coming Kingdom].

Heb 10 is talking to believers, V24, Let us, V25, Not forsaking the assembling of OURSELVES. V26, If WE.
Both He6, and Heb 10, is talking to and about Christians.

You sound like one of those false grace teachers.

you're misinterpreting. they were people who'd experienced a 'revival' atmosphere when the Holy Spirit is active upon the unsaved. They were land which bore thorns and thistles. They had shown their position once and for all,

No Christian is impossible to renew unto repentance. Christians regularly have to repent, even of gross sins
.

 

[Utah]

Anyone who loves Jesus, will dress as smart as they can to represent Him. It's those who have no respect for God, who go to Church, and even Minister, dressed scruffy.
If the heart is right, the dress will be right.

This ^^^^ breaks my heart.

 

[Utah]

1 Jn 3: 2--3 says Jesus is coming back for those who are just like Him, and they are the one who purify themselves.
Eph 5: 26--27 says Jesus is coming for a glorious Church, a people without spot or wrinkle, Not a rag tag bunch of people that are in the Church today.

Jesus purifies me because I cannot purify myself, same as you can't.

Jesus cleanses me from spot and wrinkle.

Jesus says the following:

On hearing this, Jesus said, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’ For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”

 

[valiant]

It was written concerning the Jew going through the tribulation after the Church Age, therefore, Hebrews is placed chronologically after Paul's 13 epistles.

LOL the tribulation of Matt 24 has been going on for the Jews for 2000 years. For Christians it has gone on I many part of the world since 1st century. as John said (rev 2; and 7)

 

[Utah]

Careful, I guess Jesus was often 'dressed scruffy', especially on his long journeys when He had nowhere to lay His head, and the weather was hot and He had no change of clothes.

Yeah, and when Jesus washed the feet of His disciples you can bet those feet were dank, dirty, filthy, stinky, crusty, dusty, calloused, disgusting puppies.

 

[John146]

LOL the tribulation of Matt 24 has been going on for the Jews for 2000 years. For Christians it has gone on I many part of the world since 1st century. as John said (rev 2; and 7)

The question Jesus is answering is "what shall be the signs of they coming and the end of the world?" Jesus' answer is referring to His 2nd Advent as King. But before He comes, there will be great tribulation like the world has never seen. The one who endures this tribulation will be physically saved to be ushered into the Kingdom. "And except those days should be shortened, there shall no flesh be saved." It's not a matter of enduring to the end to be saved eternally.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Those in Heb 6, Were once saved,
v4, Once enlightened, tasted of the heavenly gift, were partakers of the Holy Ghost.
V5, Tasted the word of God, The power of World to come, [The coming Kingdom].

Heb 10 is talking to believers, V24, Let us, V25, Not forsaking the assembling of OURSELVES. V26, If WE.
Both He6, and Heb 10, is talking to and about Christians.

You sound like one of those false grace teachers.

No they were not tasting is not the same as gnawing or chewing. Jesus showed us that in John 6

you sound like a modern day Pharisee, but let's try to not judge each other it does not help the discussion.. Ok?