God and Drug Addiction

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Pontiac

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I am a recovered alcoholic of over 20 years now ... I don't attend any classes of any sort and have absolutely no desire whatsoever for alcohol anymore ... From my experience I can safely and truthfully say that Jesus is much more powerful than any medical professional or any group meeting ... Get right with Him and He will help you in ways you never imagined possible ... Trust in the word and it will completely change your life ... The truth will set you free ...
 
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Humans are already destroyed, and condemned anyway until they come to know Jesus Christ. So all they do is a result of what they are. SIN!!!!
 
MessageOfTheCross

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As a Christian we were "set free" the moment we are saved - "madefree" speaks of a process. "Set Free," i.e., instantaneous - "MadeFree, " i.e., You should know the truth and the truth shall make you free (John 8:32, John 14:6). "MadeFree" = sanctification.


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Two kinds of peace
1. Justifying Peace - This is Peace with God, a legal standing. ​
Rom. 8:7; Eph. 2:14-15

2. Sanctifying Peace - This is the Peace of God in the heart. ​
Rom. 8:6; 14:19; 15:13; Gal. 1:3

The first is the result of a legal standing. The second is the result of the Work of the Holy Spirit. The first is static, never fluctuates, the second changes almost from hour to hour. The first, every Christian has, the second, every Christian may have.

The sanctifying power of the Holy Spirit mortifies the deed of the flesh by changing my condition into my position which is perfect and Holy because God has declared us justified (not guilt and innocent).
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MessageOfTheCross said:
​The only solution for sin, the only answer for sin, is the Cross of Christ!
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Do you agree or disagree: presenting Biblical principles to live by helps people escape the snares of addiction. It is a good plan of action to make straight one's path, and not a trap set by the devil.
 
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Pontiac

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Agree ... Following biblical principles helps in all ways of life ...
 
Magenta

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Pontiac said:
I am a recovered alcoholic of over 20 years now ... I don't attend any classes of any sort and have absolutely no desire whatsoever for alcohol anymore ... From my experience I can safely and truthfully say that Jesus is much more powerful than any medical professional or any group meeting ... Get right with Him and He will help you in ways you never imagined possible ... Trust in the word and it will completely change your life ... The truth will set you free ...
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Many recovered alcoholics continue to go to meetings to give back what was so freely offered to them. This concept is encapsulated in the Responsibility Statement:

I am responsible…
When anyone, anywhere,
reaches out for help, I want
the hand of A.A. always to be there.
And for that: I am responsible.

As Larry K. said, "I have always been drawn to the Responsibility Declaration because it inspires me to think outside of my own existence. I have held hands with the hopeless and shed tears with the broken and laughed away the pain of desperation with men and women that have found their way into the rooms of our “family.” Some have lived and grown in amazing ways. Some have not. Some have died. None of those folks would have had any of those moments were it not for our fellowship. While with us, each and every one of them had a chance." https://aaagnostica.org/2011/07/20/i-am-responsible/

In Narcotics Anonymous, the same concept is articulated in the Gratitude Prayer:

My gratitude speaks when I care and when I share with others the NA way that no addict seeking recovery need ever die from the horrors of addiction.
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It is not the illegal drugs that is the only problem, even prescription drugs can be a issue. Depending on the drug, addiction is a high risk and withdrawl becomes difficult.

Question, this is something out of my league, but if a child is born from parents that are both drug addicts, can that child born literally become dependant on drugs?? Is the child born already dependant on drugs?
 
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Pontiac

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Yes, a child can be born addicted to drugs ... The sin of their parents can be born in them directly from the womb ... Not only drug addiction but the Bible speaks of sin following sin through generations ... If one has very good parents blessed by God, then God promises to bless their children ... He also promises to curse the children of those who willingly disobey him and choose to worship other Gods ... Although this is found in the Old Testament, before the arrival of Jesus, I would not totally discount that this can still happen ...
 
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Alertandawake said:
It is not the illegal drugs that is the only problem, even prescription drugs can be a issue. Depending on the drug, addiction is a high risk and withdrawl becomes difficult.

Question, this is something out of my league, but if a child is born from parents that are both drug addicts, can that child born literally become dependant on drugs?? Is the child born already dependant on drugs?
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My mother drank when she was carrying me, and I was born craving alcohol, and drank any I could find as soon as I was able to walk to it.
 
Didymous

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Magenta said:
Do you agree or disagree: presenting Biblical principles to live by helps people escape the snares of addiction. It is a good plan of action to make straight one's path, and not a trap set by the devil.
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I disagree. Presenting biblical principles to live by made no sense to me when I was lost. Presenting the gospel perhaps?
 
Magenta

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Didymous said:
I disagree. Presenting biblical principles to live by made no sense to me when I was lost. Presenting the gospel perhaps?
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Are you saying that when you were lost, it made no sense to you that your life would improve if you lived sober rather than getting drunk and/or stoned all the time? When you were lost, it made no sense to you that if you stopped lying, cheating, and stealing, your life would improve? That coming to believe in God to guide you to living a better way of life, free of the worst symptoms of addiction, made no sense to you? That if you followed the simple suggestions of those whose lives had changed drastically by following Biblical principles, your life could likewise change for the better? Living honestly and soberly are Biblical principles, and the 12 step program is solidly based on such principles. Are you going to tell me that such principles are a ploy of the devil, too?
 
Didymous

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While I appreciate your zeal, I believe much of it is misplaced. I would guess you never had a problem with alcohol or drugs, or if you did, you forgot what that was like. The main thing I learned from. 12 step meetings is this: They are not Christian, most people were rude before quitting and continue to be so after, most people there are looking to practice the 13th step(fornication)to the exclusion of the actual 12, and most are encouraged to confess they will always be an alcoholic or drugs addict. That was my experience from hundreds of meetings all over the USA. Perhaps you live in another country, and meetings are better there?
 
Didymous

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If you do go to meetings, do you still confess that you will always be an alcoholic, or a drug addict? I attend one occasionally, but claim the opposite, and explain that God delivered me from alcohol, drugs, fornication, and any other addiction. I also explain that I'm no longer a jerk today, because God changed me.
 
Didymous

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I'm not sure why you even wrote 'ploy of the devil,' because I never mentioned the devil in anything I wrote.
 
Didymous

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At the very heart of an addiction to alcohol or drugs is the simple fact that that such behavior is very self-destructive and insane. So yes, anyone preaching some repentance from bad behavior would've been not only rejected, but probably assaulted as well. I invite you to go to any of my people and tell them to change their ways and see where that gets you.
 
Magenta

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Didymous said:
While I appreciate your zeal, I believe much of it is misplaced. I would guess you never had a problem with alcohol or drugs, or if you did, you forgot what that was like. The main thing I learned from. 12 step meetings is this: They are not Christian, most people were rude before quitting and continue to be so after, most people there are looking to practice the 13th step(fornication)to the exclusion of the actual 12, and most are encouraged to confess they will always be an alcoholic or drugs addict. That was my experience from hundreds of meetings all over the USA. Perhaps you live in another country, and meetings are better there?
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Considering the fact that the 12 step program and offshoots of the original, which number in the multiple hundreds, have helped millions and millions improve their lives over the last less than hundred years, I do not believe what you call my zeal is misplaced at all juxtaposed against your opposition to the program, for whatever reason your opposition exists. Perhaps if you read the comments I was responding to, you would better understand the question I asked that person. To say most people are there to fornicate seems a terrible injustice. Where do you get your facts?
 
Magenta

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Could you answer some of these questions please?

Are you saying that when you were lost, it made no sense to you that your life would improve if you lived sober rather than getting drunk and/or stoned all the time?

When you were lost, did it make no sense to you that if you stopped lying, cheating, and stealing, your life would improve?

Are you suggesting that coming to believe in God to guide you to living a better way of life, free of the worst symptoms of addiction by following spiritual principles, made no sense to you, but you could readily accept the gospel?

That if you followed the simple suggestions of those whose lives had changed drastically by following Biblical principles, your life could likewise change for the better?

Thank you.
 
Didymous

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Not sure where you get your numbers, because the big book itself states that only a small percentage of alcoholics make it. My facts are in my post. Maybe you should read again.
 
Magenta

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Didymous said:
Not sure where you get your numbers, because the big book itself states that only a small percentage of alcoholics make it. My facts are in my post. Maybe you should read again.
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Your experience is facts? Oh. The big book states that rarely have we seen a person fail who thoroughly follows our path. It further states (in How It Works): Those who do not recover are people who cannot or will not completely give themselves to this simple program, usually men and women who are constitutionally incapable of being honest with themselves. There are such unfortunates. They are not at fault; they seem to have been born that way. They are naturally incapable of grasping and developing a way of life which demands rigorous honesty. Their chances are less than average. There are those, too, who suffer from grave emotional and mental disorders, but many of them do recover if they have the capacity to be honest.

The big book states that there is One Who has all power, identifies Him as God, and says, may you find Him now! Then goes on to say, Half measures availed us nothing. We stood at the turning point. We asked His protection and care with complete abandon.


 
Magenta

Magenta

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Didymous said:
Not sure where you get your numbers, because the big book itself states that only a small percentage of alcoholics make it. My facts are in my post. Maybe you should read again.
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Since only a small percentage of people "make it" as you say, how many (what percentage) do you think are ready, in the condition they arrive, to drop their opposition to God, the Bible, and Jesus Christ, to accept the gospel message, over beginning a process of change by living according to proven spiritual principles?
 
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