Galatian Conundrums

[RickStudies]

No one can keep the law

Its a biblical fact, you can deny it all you want

Keeps aspects of the law. Thats possible,

Keep the law, that requires perfection,

I was looking over another thread and found that you don`t believe in repenting for your sins. It explains a lot but it is yet another piece of the gospel you don`t believe in.

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

 

[posthuman]

The scripture says what it says.

please revisit loco-dirt-man's post #91

it is good to know what scripture says.

 

[RickStudies]

All you have done is critisize anyone who does not agree with you, you have not shown any e pertisr

Look who`s talking here. You`ve been following me on this site and stalking me all day even though I`ve ignored you and your expertise is highly dubious.

 

[RickStudies]

neither they themselves who are circumcised keep the law ​

(Galatians 6:13)​

The circumcision is a title in the context of my remark. I think you knew this which is my point about you.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Yes I remember. I was just trying to work with what he is giving me. I`ve almost had enough harassment for one day

Pretty sure you'll pull through.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I was looking over another thread and found that you don`t believe in repenting for your sins. It explains a lot but it is yet another piece of the gospel you don`t believe in.

I already repented of my sins, if i did not i never came to real faith.

See, you do not know me at all, the more you try to tell me what i believe the more you prove how much you do not know.

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Confess is not repent, if you have read me, you know i believe we not only confess our sins to god, but each other as scripture says, just ask those who really know me, they will tell you. As someone said, you only been here a few days (or are you an impostor who has been banned and returrned under a new name? )

But keep on thinking your so smart you know everyone, and proving how much you need to listen and learn and stop assuming

 

[posthuman]

The scripture says what it says.

the scripture says there is not two gospels. Galatians 1:6-9.

Romans 1:16, -- "the gospel"
singular, both to the Jew and to the Gentile. τὸ εὐαγγέλιον

if you say there are two gospels, you are accursed.
if you say the Bible teaches that there are two gospels, you are blaspheming the scripture, clearly not understanding what you read.

i am glad you read Romans tho.
i think you should read it again. we all should; many, many more times.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Look who`s talking here. You`ve been following me on this site and stalking me all day even though I`ve ignored you and your expertise is highly dubious.

Unlike you i keep my word, i told you you can ignore all you want, it will not stop me,

Your expertise is negligent, you can not even figure out what people believe,

But i am not really worried about that just to expose. I am more worried about truth, i keep hoping one day you will want to discuss it, and not get mad everything someone disagrees with you

 

[posthuman]

now that's interesting;

apparently this cat disagrees that it's good to know what scripture says???

 

[Mii]

just to put this out there. I don't think Rickstudies is suggesting salvation through the law, which is what Paul was talking against. I think there's just a bit of confusion in the thread that may or may not be intentional. Doesn't seem intentional.

personally I ascribe critical importance to the law in my understanding of grace. It shows me where I need it when I get too wrapped up in self-righteousness...I know the law is a schoolmaster (Gal 3:24-25) and that has been evident throughout my life. For me it is about "remembrance" of the law and what it points to.


I presume that most don't vacillate on the pharasaical extreme as much so it makes sense why there are disagreements. I certainly would love to go back to "law keeping" in humanistic strength "if" it could be done. It can't though, only Yeshua fulfilled the law and I have attempted and failed. It is enough to know that whatever I am attempting when I do that, the Lord is not pleased with. So I don't do that anymore.

currently wrestling with the concept of law based grace vs grace based law but it's vague at present and I'd need to be considerably less vague.


I just think that people vacillate on a spectrum with the work of the cross at the center.

here's a post about this in a sabbath thread @RickStudies that I typed.

https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/sabbath.186759/page-4#post-4006336


I'm still figuring out the messianic jew side of christianity and I think it's an individual calling/path not a prescription.



Is this more or less what you mean? I think there is potential error in saying there are two gospels...I'll have to think on it but it makes more sense to say that there are two methods for the gospel. Which can be seen in the ministry of circumcision and uncircumcision. You speak to an orthodox Jew differently than a pagan.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I'll just put this out there. I don't think Rickstudies is suggesting salvation through the law, which is what Paul was talking against. I think there's just a bit of confusion in the thread that may or may not be intentional. Doesn't seem intentional.

I personally ascribe critical importance to the law in my understanding of grace. It shows me where I need it when I get too wrapped up in self-righteousness...I know the law is a schoolmaster (Gal 3:24-25) and that has been evident throughout my life. For me it is about "remembrance" of the law and what it points to.


I presume that most don't vacillate on the pharasaical extreme as much so it makes sense why there are disagreements. I certainly would love to go back to "law keeping" in humanistic strength "if" it could be done. It can't though, only Yeshua fulfilled the law and I have attempted and failed. It is enough to know that whatever I am attempting when I do that, the Lord is not pleased with. So I don't do that anymore.

I'm wrestling with the concept of law based grace vs grace based law but it's vague at present and I'd need to be considerably less vague.


I just think that people vacillate on a spectrum with the work of the cross at the center.

I posted about this in a sabbath thread @RickStudies somewhat.

https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/sabbath.186759/page-4#post-4006336


I'm still figuring out the messianic jew side of christianity and I think it's an individual calling/path not a prescription.



Is this more or less what you mean? I think there is potential error in saying there are two gospels...I'll have to think on it but it makes more sense to say that there are two methods for the gospel. Which can be seen in the ministry of circumcision and uncircumcision. You speak to an orthodox Jew differently than a pagan.

That goes for alot of groups

 

[RickStudies]

the scripture says there is not two gospels. Galatians 1:6-9.

Romans 1:16, -- "the gospel"
singular, both to the Jew and to the Gentile. τὸ εὐαγγέλιον

if you say there are two gospels, you are accursed.
if you say the Bible teaches that there are two gospels, you are blaspheming the scripture, clearly not understanding what you read.

i am glad you read Romans tho.
i think you should read it again. we all should; many, many more times.

A bunch of post ago, before this thread got highjacked, I did say there is one gospel. This two gospel issue is a matter of context that was blown out proportion.

Let me ask you this. Is the gospel of the Kingdom the same teaching as Paul`s gospel? Is it the same gospel?

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Well, I thought you might consider what wikipedia says about it. If you found a Messianic church that didn`t keep the traditions it would very unusual. Kind of an oxymoron for such a thing to exist don`t you think? That`s why I think you must surely be mistaken.

no I don't think it is an oxymoron

wiki is written by people

it is not a scholarly site although some articles are very informative and helpful

for example, if you wrote the article it would say something completely different then if I wrote it




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now the above is a direct copy past from wiki

do you know what CREATIVE COMMONS is?

 

[posthuman]

my point about you.

why are you making points about me? that's crazy talk.
scripture clearly contradicts your teachings in these matters. i think you should deal with that, instead of 'making points about me'

we will all be better off both for our own sakes and especially for others if we bring every conversation toward the gospel of Christ Jesus, and keep ourselves from taking aim at each other, where our eyes are not on the kingdom.

this is a point about walking upright in Christ, not about you. whenever any of us find our positions in conflict with scripture, we ought to discard that position and find the right one. refusing correction is stupidity, Proverbs 12:1

clearly there are not two different gospels, but one gospel and many false ones, even many subtly so false.
clearly no one is actually keeping the law, but some think or say they are, and are wrong, and many do things that are in the law, whether by subjection to Moses law or by their conscience or by another law whose righteousness agrees with Moses law.

 

[posthuman]

I did say there is one gospel. This two gospel issue is a matter of context that was blown out proportion.

just over 1 hour ago, on the previous page, you are still saying there are two different gospels:

Bible. It still says a gospel to Paul and another to Peter

Galatians 2:7-9 is clearly about two ministries of two apostles having one and the same gospel. Paul takes pains in the preceding dozen verses or so to explain how that the gospel he received was not from men but from God and was one and the same with the gospel the other apostles were preaching in Jerusalem.

there is one gospel that has gone out to both Jew and Gentile, Greek and non Greek. Romans 1:16.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

now the first sentence of the wik article says Messianic Judaism[a] is a modern syncretic[1] religious movement that combines Christianity—most importantly, the belief that Jesus is the Jewish messiah—with elements of Judaism and Jewish tradition.[2][3][4][5] It emerged in the 1960s and 1970s.

here is the meaning of syncretism in case you don't or someone does not, know what that means

Syncretism (/ˈsɪŋkrətɪzəm/) is the combining of different beliefs, while blending practices of various schools of thought. Syncretism involves the merging or assimilation of several originally discrete traditions, especially in the theology and mythology of religion, thus asserting an underlying unity and allowing for an inclusive approach to other faiths. Syncretism also occurs commonly in expressions of arts and culture (known as eclecticism) as well as politics (syncretic politics).

if you try to research the source of that wiki article you linked to, you come to the following info:

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well whoops...the established registered user on wiki is a person or persons with an account. that could be anyone from the pope to Anton LaVey (may he not rest in peace)

while wiki may be a little more credible, you are starting to remind me of the folks who come here and try to establish credibility with youtube videos and or assure us that everything in the video is fact no matter what

sorry...I have to go now and feed my 2 headed turtle and our cows with their heads attached on their buttocks

 

[posthuman]

there is one gospel that has gone out to both Jew and Gentile, Greek and non Greek. Romans 1:16.

there is one gospel that has gone out to both Jew and Gentile, Greek and non Greek. Romans 1:16.
anything else is cursed, Galatians 1:6-9.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

You just said, it's not a claim at all, it's someone else's claim. That doesn't make sense??
Just because you aren't the only one making a claim doesn't make it any less, a claim.

maybe he should look up split personality on wiki

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Yes they need their 3rd temple. I mentioned same in one of my posts in other thread. The Messianics do what they can, a lot of the tradition can be kept. I don`t expect the Messianic temples to participate in sacrifices when Israel resumes them.

tradition is not law

Gentile Christians have traditions also

tradition is not the gospel though

and at the risk of boring the flighty among us, tradition is not law

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I don`t know what to tell you. It`s unreasonable to believe that Messianic believers don`t keep the law and other Jewish traditions.
For them it`s not just religeon, it`s also culture.

well perhaps you underestimate the work of the Holy Spirit

I won't bring up the obvious conclusion I see there

anyway, you know what is unreasonable?

a person who stands under a lone tree on a golf course when a thunderstorm gathers above him because 'he was there first'