Galatian Conundrums

[RickStudies]

You just said, it's not a claim at all, it's someone else's claim. That doesn't make sense??
Just because you aren't the only one making a claim doesn't make it any less, a claim.

I don`t know what to tell you. It`s unreasonable to believe that Messianic believers don`t keep the law and other Jewish traditions.
For them it`s not just religeon, it`s also culture.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It`s hardly a claim. Go to any Messianic Jewish webpage and see what they say about themselves.

In retrospect I shouldn`t have brought up the gospels. Did you know that in several places Paul calls his Gospel "My gospel" instead of the gosple? Yes there is one gospel but it`s an amended version of the gospel given by Christ. The circumcision gospel is based on the gospel as proclaimed by the Apostles before Paul spent three years being taught by Jesus in the desert.

You must not study the word much. Or you have listened to people lead you astray, and not bored to test what they say.

Ps, paul called his gospel, as apposed the the gospel of jews who were trying to add works of the law, which he called a false gospel.

He also calls it the gospel of god

Romans 1:1
[ Greeting ] Paul, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated to the gospel of God

Romans 15:16
that I might be a minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering of the Gentiles might be acceptable, sanctified by the Holy Spirit.


2 Corinthians 11:7
Did I commit sin in humbling myself that you might be exalted, because I preached the gospel of God to you free of charge?

The gospel of his son

Romans 1:9
For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of His Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers,

The gospel of christ

Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.

Romans 15:19
in mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God, so that from Jerusalem and round about to Illyricum I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.

Romans 15:29
But I know that when I come to you, I shall come in the fullness of the blessing of the gospel of Christ.


1 Corinthians 9:12
If others are partakers of this right over you, are we not even more? Nevertheless we have not used this right, but endure all things lest we hinder the gospel of Christ.

1 Corinthians 9:18
What is my reward then? That when I preach the gospel, I may present the gospel of Christ without charge, that I may not abuse my authority in the gospel.

2 Corinthians 2:12
[ Triumph in Christ ] Furthermore, when I came to Troas to preach Christ’s gospel, and a door was opened to me by the Lord,

2 Corinthians 4:4
whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.

Galatians 1:7
which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ.


The gospel of peace

Romans 10:15
And how shall they preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the gospel of peace, Who bring glad tidings of good things!”

Ephesians 6:15
and having shod your feet with the preparation of the gospel of peace;

The gospel of your salvation

Ephesians 1:13
In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,

And this is just some of what we see, and all given the the gentile church.

I mean really man..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No one keeps Moses law.
That law requires sacrifices and offerings which must be made in very specific ways in a very specific place. That place doesn't exist. It had been completely impossible to keep Moses law, even theoretically, for almost 2000 years.
We should know better than to speak falsely about such things. We should not be ignorant, nor unwise, but wise.

How many times do we have to tell people this?

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Did you know that in several places Paul calls his Gospel "My gospel" instead of the gosple?

He did indeed.

And the phrase "this gospel of the kingdom" (Matt24:14 [26:13]) is what WILL BE [future] PREACHED in the future tribulation period (not what is being preached NOW), and has to do with [the INVITATION TO] "the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom [aka "the wedding FEAST/SUPPER" (earthly MK); aka "the kingdom OF THE heavenS [on the earth, upon His 'RETURN' there]"]; it will include the fact that it is very soon to arrive! [that is, within 7-yrs' time!]... WE are not conveying THAT msg "in this present age [singular]" (they will, in the trib years [future], FOLLOWING our Rapture)

 

[RickStudies]

16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:

11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

17 For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:

11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

17 For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me.

Next....

 

[Locoponydirtman]

Two comissions yes but the Bible calls them gospels.

But on the contrary, seeing that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been to the circumcised (for He who effectually worked for Peter in his apostleship to the circumcised effectually worked for me also to the Gentiles), and recognizing the grace that had been given to me, James and Cephas and John, who were reputed to be pillars, gave to me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, so that we might go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised.
Galatians 2:7‭-‬9 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/gal.2.7-9.NASB
Looks like you have a translation error. Don't know what you quoted from, but if it is confusing you maybe get a better translation.

 

[RickStudies]

But on the contrary, seeing that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been to the circumcised (for He who effectually worked for Peter in his apostleship to the circumcised effectually worked for me also to the Gentiles), and recognizing the grace that had been given to me, James and Cephas and John, who were reputed to be pillars, gave to me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, so that we might go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised.
Galatians 2:7‭-‬9 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/gal.2.7-9.NASB
Looks like you have a translation error. Don't know what you quoted from, but if it is confusing you maybe get a better translation.

I read the King James

seeing that I had been entrusted with the gospel [d]to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been [e]to the circumcised

I`m not sure what you mean

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Yeah, that [nasb] reference says,

"d. Galatians 2:7 Lit of the uncircumcision
e. Galatians 2:7 Lit of the circumcision
f. Galatians 2:8 Lit of the circumcision "


[pointed out in Post #10 also]

 

[RickStudies]

Yeah, that [nasb] reference says,

"d. Galatians 2:7 Lit of the uncircumcision
e. Galatians 2:7 Lit of the circumcision
f. Galatians 2:8 Lit of the circumcision "


[pointed out in Post #10 also]

Yes I remember. I was just trying to work with what he is giving me. I`ve almost had enough harassment for one day

 

[Locoponydirtman]

I read the King James

seeing that I had been entrusted with the gospel [d]to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been [e]to the circumcised

I`m not sure what you mean

Did you read the same scripture from the NASB that I posted, and notice how it reads differently. That's why using a good translation matters.

ἀλλὰ τοὐναντίον ἰδόντες ὅτι πεπίστευμαι τὸ εὐαγγέλιον τῆς ἀκροβυστίας καθὼς Πέτρος τῆς περιτομῆς,
But these, when they saw that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcision, just as Peter to the circumcision
τοὐναντίον tounantion
But
these,
when they saw that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcision, just as Peter to the circumcision
τοὐναντίον tounantion rel. who; these; on the other hand
adverb
PLGNT
CDWGTHB
ἰδόντες idontes
But these,
when they saw
that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcision, just as Peter to the circumcision
ἰδόντες idontes see
verb, aorist, active, participle, plural, nominative, masculine
PLGNT
πεπίστευμαι pepisteumai
But these, when they saw that
I had been entrusted
with the gospel to the uncircumcision, just as Peter to the circumcision
πεπίστευμαι pepisteumai believe
verb, perfect, passive, indicative, first person, singular
PLGNT
CDWGTHB
εὐαγγέλιον euangelion
But these, when they saw that I had been entrusted with the
gospel
to the uncircumcision, just as Peter to the circumcision
εὐαγγέλιον euangelion gospel; good news; good tidings
noun, accusative, singular, neuter
PLGNT
CDWGTHB
ἀκροβυστίας akrobystias
But these, when they saw that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the
uncircumcision,
just as Peter to the circumcision
ἀκροβυστίας akrobystias uncircumcision
noun, genitive, singular, feminine
PLGNT
CDWGTHB
Πέτρος Petros
But these, when they saw that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcision, just as
Peter
to the circumcision
Πέτρος Petros Peter
noun, nominative, singular, masculine
PLGNT
CDWGTHB
περιτομῆς peritomēs
But these, when they saw that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcision, just as Peter to the
circumcision
περιτομῆς peritomēs circumcision
noun, genitive, singular,

 

[RickStudies]

Did you read the same scripture from the NASB that I posted, and notice how it reads differently. That's why using a good translation matters.

ἀλλὰ τοὐναντίον ἰδόντες ὅτι πεπίστευμαι τὸ εὐαγγέλιον τῆς ἀκροβυστίας καθὼς Πέτρος τῆς περιτομῆς,
But these, when they saw that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcision, just as Peter to the circumcision
τοὐναντίον tounantion
But
these,
when they saw that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcision, just as Peter to the circumcision
τοὐναντίον tounantion rel. who; these; on the other hand
adverb
PLGNT
CDWGTHB
ἰδόντες idontes
But these,
when they saw
that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcision, just as Peter to the circumcision
ἰδόντες idontes see
verb, aorist, active, participle, plural, nominative, masculine
PLGNT
πεπίστευμαι pepisteumai
But these, when they saw that
I had been entrusted
with the gospel to the uncircumcision, just as Peter to the circumcision
πεπίστευμαι pepisteumai believe
verb, perfect, passive, indicative, first person, singular
PLGNT
CDWGTHB
εὐαγγέλιον euangelion
But these, when they saw that I had been entrusted with the
gospel
to the uncircumcision, just as Peter to the circumcision
εὐαγγέλιον euangelion gospel; good news; good tidings
noun, accusative, singular, neuter
PLGNT
CDWGTHB
ἀκροβυστίας akrobystias
But these, when they saw that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the
uncircumcision,
just as Peter to the circumcision
ἀκροβυστίας akrobystias uncircumcision
noun, genitive, singular, feminine
PLGNT
CDWGTHB
Πέτρος Petros
But these, when they saw that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcision, just as
Peter
to the circumcision
Πέτρος Petros Peter
noun, nominative, singular, masculine
PLGNT
CDWGTHB
περιτομῆς peritomēs
But these, when they saw that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcision, just as Peter to the
circumcision
περιτομῆς peritomēs circumcision
noun, genitive, singular,

The verse I posted in my response was from your Bible. It still says a gospel to Paul and another to Peter

 

[RickStudies]

16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the Lord will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

When will this scripture be fulfilled?

 

[posthuman]

It`s unreasonable to believe that Messianic believers don`t keep the law and other Jewish traditions.
For them it`s not just religeon, it`s also culture.

if they believe they are under the law, then they believe a different gospel, which is not a gospel at all. Galatians 1:7
if they keep things that are part of their culture, they are not keeping the law; they are keeping their cultural practices.




which, on topic:

I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ! But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed! As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed! ​

(Galatians 1:6-9 )​

-- anyone who preaches another gospel should be considered a cursed thing.
furthermore that 'other gospel' they teach is no gospel at all.
this is exclusivity of the gospel: there is one gospel. there is no 'gospel of the Jews' and a different 'gospel of the Gentiles'
-- that particular proclamation you are peddling with this thread, my man, that there are two viable gospels, is a false gospel. you should get rid of it.

he stinketh ​

(John 11:39)​

get rid of it like it's a hex from hell!

​

 

[Locoponydirtman]

Rick don't study, he just latches hold of a passage out of context with the rest of scripture and builds a doctrine on it, and then argues with everyone who shows him why it incorrect.

 

[RickStudies]

if they believe they are under the law, then they believe a different gospel, which is not a gospel at all. Galatians 1:7
if they keep things that are part of their culture, they are not keeping the law; they are keeping their cultural practices.




which, on topic:

I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ! But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed! As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed! ​

(Galatians 1:6-9 )​

-- anyone who preaches another gospel should be considered a cursed thing.
furthermore that 'other gospel' they teach is no gospel at all.
this is exclusivity of the gospel: there is one gospel. there is no 'gospel of the Jews' and a different 'gospel of the Gentiles'
-- that particular proclamation you are peddling with this thread, my man, that there are two viable gospels, is a false gospel. you should get rid of it.

he stinketh ​

(John 11:39)​

get rid of it like it's a hex from hell!

​

They don`t believe they are under the law and It`s not a sin for them to obey the law and keep their culture. The mistake of the Galations was in getting circumcized in order to stay saved.

As to the rest, I`m not peddling. The scripture says what it says. The circumcision kept the law, it`s a Biblical fact. Denying it doesn`t change it.

 

[RickStudies]

Rick don't study, he just latches hold of a passage out of context with the rest of scripture and builds a doctrine on it, and then argues with everyone who shows him why it incorrect.

That one is funny. My Biblical expertise keeps getting criticized but I`ve seen see very little Biblical rebutal. Nothing solid, to be expected tho because there isn`t any.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

They don`t believe they are under the law and It`s not a sin for them to obey the law and keep their culture. The mistake of the Galations was in getting circumcized in order to stay saved.

As to the rest, I`m not peddling. The scripture says what it says. The circumcision kept the law, it`s a Biblical fact. Denying it doesn`t change it.

No one can keep the law

Its a biblical fact, you can deny it all you want

Keeps aspects of the law. Thats possible,

Keep the law, that requires perfection,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That one is funny. My Biblical expertise keeps getting criticized but I`ve seen see very little Biblical rebutal. Nothing solid, to be expected tho because there isn`t any.

All you have done is critisize anyone who does not agree with you, you have not shown any e pertisr

 

[posthuman]

The circumcision kept the law, it`s a Biblical fact.

neither they themselves who are circumcised keep the law
(Galatians 6:13)​