Five Articles of the Remonstrance of Jacobus Arminius of 1610

[Butterflyyy]

My personal experience is that I had a stony, hard heart, that was crushed and broken by the Truth, and then healed, I would say grace is the cause of my conversion, not the description of it.

Are you saying that grace is Gods response to your faith? I would say that Grace is the inviting and calling of God that leads to repentance and then the continuing and completing of the work that He began in us

Jesus said," I stand at the door and knock, if any man will hear my voice and open the door I will come in unto him...."

 

[Butterflyyy]

I do indeed, thank you.



THE FIVE ARTICLES OF REMONSTRANCE


In 1609, Jacob Arminius died. His chief students and followers condensed his teaching into Five Articles. There were two main individuals who put the Five Points of Arminianism together: Jan Uytenbogaert assisted by Simon Episcopius. They were his closest associates and most devoted students. [1] So, in 1610, they summarized Arminius' teaching which was against Martin Luther, a principal Theologian of the Protestant Reformation. Now John Calvin, who was alive at the time of Martin Luther, set about to more fully explain the teachings of Martin Luther and the True Protestants in more precise detail in order to present them all to Francis I, King of France. As we will recall, Luther, who was still alive when Calvin composed his Institutes, read Calvins' works and agreed with them all 100% as being an accurate presentation of his (Luthers') teaching and his sermons, and fit to be presented to Francis I, King of France for his edification.
Now Jacob Arminius, basically, had believed himself to be more of a Bible scholar than Martin Luther and he (Arminius) began teaching what disagreed with Luther. Arminius began to draw some students, and also some Roman Catholic prelates who were very interested indeed in Arminius' presentation that seemed to overthrow Luther. Later, the Remonstrants that disagreed with the core teachings of the Reformation summarized their disagreement with Martin Luther into five basic points and called these five Points "The Articles of the Remonstrants" ("they" being the "remonstrants" or objectors to Luthers' teaching, and their objection to the core Doctrines upon which the True Protestant Reformation was based). They had learned these things from Jacob Arminius.

SINCE ARMINIUS' CORE TEACHING WAS IN THESE FIVE POINTS THEY SOON BECAME KNOWN AS THE FIVE POINTS OF ARMINIANISM

The Five Points of Arminianism were the main reason The Synod of Dort was Convened[2] in 1618. This Synod of Dort (as an answer to the Five Points of Arminianism), produced what became known as "The Five Points of Calvinism" as a result. T.U.L.I.P. was simply the Biblical refutation and rebuke to the Five Points (or Articles) of Arminianism which appeared before what are called "The Five Points of Calvinism" (Calvin had long since passed on to his Heavenly Reward). The True Protestants Called this Council (Synod) to clearly set down what they believed so that later, there would be no doubt in anyones' mind concerning the teachings of Martin Luther as compared to Arminius or the Roman Catholic Church (the Roman Catholic Church later did approve Arminianism, and still does).

ARMINIANISM IS RULED HERESY AND A PERVERSION OF THE TEACHINGS OF MARTIN LUTHER

Arminianism was Unanimously Ruled a Heresy at the Synod of Dort by all the Delegates representing the True Protestant Churches. [3]
Here are the original Five Points of Arminiansim. Later, Semi-Arminianism added to and altered these Five Original Points. This will be discussed later.

THE FIVE POINTS OF ARMINIANISM.....Article continues

Dear Whispered, I have a question for you and for those who are not Calvinists here....
Do you believe that Calvin is definitely in Heaven since he was a murderer and the Bible says such will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven? x

 

[ieuan]

I post Chapter 15 of the book of John, I make no apology for this and make my comments after this chapter.

John 15 - KJV
15 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it,
that it may bring forth more fruit.
3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can
ye, except ye abide in me.
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit:
for without me ye can do nothing.
6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them
into the fire, and they are burned.
7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.
9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments,
and abide in his love.
11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you
friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit,
and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.
18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen
you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me,
they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.
22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin.
23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also.
24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they
both seen and hated both me and my Father.
25 But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without
cause.
26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which
proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.
*****
Please notice that Jesus here states that we cannot stand in faith alone, not without Christ,
not without abiding in Him. This is so important for us to rememeber. If we claim to be saved
Christians we will listen to His voice and follow His commandments (V. 10). If we remain in Him
we will do as He commands, notice this is not a request by our Lord it is a command and hence
we have no other action if we are to remain in Him. If we do not do this then we will be cast
forth (cast out) of fellowship and we will suffer.

His commandment is that we love one another (v. 12.) Love one another as He has loved us,
how could we love as well as Him, it seems impossible and yet there is the commandment.
Jesus reminds us that we are not just servants now, we are His friends, think of it actually
friends with the Divine being, with the Triune God. How much we owe, how much we are
undeserving of His love, but there it is, we are counted as His friends.

Jesus points out to the disciples in the upper room that we did not choose Him but rather
he chose us (v. 16). And although some may grumbe that these words are for the disciples
alone yet I believe with all my heart that they are for all His disciples who have been
and are to come.

In this great discourse Jesus reminds the disciples that the world hated Him without cause
(v. 18-19) and that the world will also hate us, and without cause. This may be easier to take
from people who have no regard for Christ Jesus, but how hard it is to be labelled and hated
for supposedly teaching heresy. So are the ones that hate of the world or do they follow Christ.
Are their words seasoned with love, or are their words straining at mlaice. The reader will judge.

Some people have entered this thread, said they disagree and left in peace, That is what discussion
is about. It is a popular thing now among Christian circles to vilify any people who have a different
take on scripture. I remember in the old days of Paltalk.com people who testified to the veracity
of the Nicene Creed were called as being part of the beast. Strange. How can Christianity stand
when we devour each other and tear at the flesh like animals. The Christian is ofen afflicted by the
world, how hard to be vilified by people who say they love Jesus but hate this man of history or that
man, how strange.

Jesus set a perfect example on the cross by praying for His enemies, and we are told to do the same.
We are to forgive them and to pray for them, that they may have the light that lights up the hearts
of men and find everlasting peace.
Amen.

 

[ieuan]

If we start a conversation (discussion) about theology, how can we discuss if we have not studied.
I would say that is impossible. Studying doctrine is as imporatant as worship, in fact it is worship
to study God's word honestly is a great blessing.

 

[Discern]

Please see posts #32, 51,52, 74, and 77.

I didn’t realize you had dealt with each article. I noticed something you posted that I will respond to in my next post

I post Chapter 15 of the book of John, I make no apology for this and make my comments after this chapter.

John 15 - KJV
15 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it,
that it may bring forth more fruit.
3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can
ye, except ye abide in me.
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit:
for without me ye can do nothing.
6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them
into the fire, and they are burned.
7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.
9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments,
and abide in his love.
11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you
friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit,
and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.
18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen
you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me,
they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.
22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin.
23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also.
24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they
both seen and hated both me and my Father.
25 But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without
cause.
26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which
proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.
*****
Please notice that Jesus here states that we cannot stand in faith alone, not without Christ,
not without abiding in Him. This is so important for us to rememeber. If we claim to be saved
Christians we will listen to His voice and follow His commandments (V. 10). If we remain in Him
we will do as He commands, notice this is not a request by our Lord it is a command and hence
we have no other action if we are to remain in Him. If we do not do this then we will be cast
forth (cast out) of fellowship and we will suffer.

His commandment is that we love one another (v. 12.) Love one another as He has loved us,
how could we love as well as Him, it seems impossible and yet there is the commandment.
Jesus reminds us that we are not just servants now, we are His friends, think of it actually
friends with the Divine being, with the Triune God. How much we owe, how much we are
undeserving of His love, but there it is, we are counted as His friends.

Jesus points out to the disciples in the upper room that we did not choose Him but rather
he chose us (v. 16). And although some may grumbe that these words are for the disciples
alone yet I believe with all my heart that they are for all His disciples who have been
and are to come.

In this great discourse Jesus reminds the disciples that the world hated Him without cause
(v. 18-19) and that the world will also hate us, and without cause. This may be easier to take
from people who have no regard for Christ Jesus, but how hard it is to be labelled and hated
for supposedly teaching heresy. So are the ones that hate of the world or do they follow Christ.
Are their words seasoned with love, or are their words straining at mlaice. The reader will judge.

Some people have entered this thread, said they disagree and left in peace, That is what discussion
is about. It is a popular thing now among Christian circles to vilify any people who have a different
take on scripture. I remember in the old days of Paltalk.com people who testified to the veracity
of the Nicene Creed were called as being part of the beast. Strange. How can Christianity stand
when we devour each other and tear at the flesh like animals. The Christian is ofen afflicted by the
world, how hard to be vilified by people who say they love Jesus but hate this man of history or that
man, how strange.

Jesus set a perfect example on the cross by praying for His enemies, and we are told to do the same.
We are to forgive them and to pray for them, that they may have the light that lights up the hearts
of men and find everlasting peace.
Amen.

Good post.

Keeping Christ’s commandments is the result of our love for Him, and our love for Him is the result of the New Birth.

 

[Discern]

Let's take Article I and examine its wording closely:


1. There is no Scripture which says that God has DECREED salvation for anyone. So this part corresponds to Reformed Theology which teaches that God has decreed everything (good and evil) from the very beginning (which is not so), and he has decreed the salvation of the elect.

2. But this portion avoids the Calvinistic teaching that God decrees salvation only for the elect, and instead postulates that God decrees "to save" those "who shall believe on His Son Jesus..."

3. Had that been all that was said it would have been partially acceptable. But it does not stop there. It goes on to add "and shall persevere in this faith and obedience of faith, through this grace, even to the end". This is the Arminian idea that salvation also depends on the perseverance of those who are saved. But that is not what Scripture teaches. Eternal life is God's GIFT of grace to the one who repents and believes, and "the gifts and calling of God are without repentance (irrevocable). Which does not mean that believes are not appointed unto good works, but it does mean that they do not maintain their salvation through their perseverance.
4.
Now this is pure Reformed Theology, which postulates that God decrees the damnation of unbelievers. God decrees none for salvation or damnation, but instead offers salvation to "whosoever will" and indeed God is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
5.
This is a MISAPPLICATION of John 3:36, which teaches the exact opposite of what is being stated. John 3:36 must be taken in the context of John 3:14-36, where we see that while God offers salvation to all, only those who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ shall be saved. At the same time there is a dire warning that those who fail to obey the Gospel will face the wrath of God. But God does not decree wrath while offering salvation.

1. Like you, I do also disagree with the perserverance part. Perserverance is a result of Gods grace, not a condition for receiving it. See Hebrews 3:6, and note the tenses of the verbs

2. God did decree to save those who believe. Christ is the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Why did God decree that He would be slain? To save those who believe through Him. This is what the decree statement in article one actually means

3. God does leave the incorrigible and unbelieving in their sin. He does not force them to come. Even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, He gave them over to a reprobate mind. And whoever does not believe has the wrath of God abiding on him

Conclusion. The only part of article one I take issue with is the perserverance part. Perserverance is not a condition of receiving grace/salvation, but a result of it. Again, see Hebrews 3:6 and please note the tenses of the verbs

 

[Discern]

Jesus said," I stand at the door and knock, if any man will hear my voice and open the door I will come in unto him...."

Contextually, That verse is written to a church, but it is true that Jesus also stands at the door of an unbelievers heart and knocks as well. That is why I said that GRACE PRECEDES OUR FAITH as well as FOLLOWS IT.

You and I are saved because God drew us and called us. He was drawing us to Himself long before we began to seek Him.

 

[Nehemiah6]

God did decree to save those who believe.

That is incorrect. The so-called *decree* is related to predestination and election. Since God predestines no one to be saved, predestination applies to the perfection and glorification of the saints.

God does leave the incorrigible and unbelieving in their sin. He does not force them to come.

Quite the opposite. God draws all men to Christ, and Christ commands the Church to go into all the world and preach the Gospel to every creature. While He does not force anyone to be saved, He does not consign some to Hell arbitrarily (which again connects to that so-called *decree*.

 

[preacher4truth]

7seasrekeyed, Butterflyyy, and Whispered

All your posts are there for people to judge who have mocked, who have displayed
disregard for the Word of God with cartoons and jokes, which are not funny, all these
have gone with no response from anyone. I have pulled up someone and you three have
turned every word into an attack. The truth is there for all to see where the hate comes
from. You came in here determined to mock and cause offence, then when challenged
you resort to name calling and invectives against a whole class of God's people.

Don't you realise the admins are watching what goes on and will soon reach a verdict
of who is to blame.

This is a venue to study together and worship Christ
that cannot be done when a spirit of adversity reigns.

You three are here to demean, mock and foul up any kind of sensible discussion.

It is my thread, I wish I could ask you to leave.

Absolutely and sadly correct.

 

[preacher4truth]

That is incorrect. The so-called *decree* is related to predestination and election. Since God predestines no one to be saved, predestination applies to the perfection and glorification of the saints.

Quite the opposite. God draws all men to Christ, and Christ commands the Church to go into all the world and preach the Gospel to every creature. While He does not force anyone to be saved, He does not consign some to Hell arbitrarily (which again connects to that so-called *decree*.

Oh my dear friend your gospel understanding is so amiss, so anthropocentric and averse to giving God all the glory.

 

[Butterflyyy]

No conflict between the verse you are quoting and what has said.

The fear of the Lord is wisdom, and wisdom comes from the Lord

Grace...

Maybe that is why it says the fear of the Lord is the BEGINNING of wisdom....
And also...if any of us lacks it we have to ASK and He will give it to us 🙂

 

[Discern]

Maybe that is why it says the fear of the Lord is the BEGINNING of wisdom....
And also...if any of us lacks it we have to ASK and He will give it to us 🙂

Yes. Still makes it a gift of grace, which was my point

Do you think it is wise to ask for wisdom? Does the wisdom and priviledge to ask for wisdom come from God?

There is no good thing that does not come down from Him.

 

[Discern]

That is incorrect. The so-called *decree* is related to predestination and election. Since God predestines no one to be saved, predestination applies to the perfection and glorification of the saints.

Quite the opposite. God draws all men to Christ, and Christ commands the Church to go into all the world and preach the Gospel to every creature. While He does not force anyone to be saved, He does not consign some to Hell arbitrarily (which again connects to that so-called *decree*.

A. It was predestinated that Christ bear our sins. It was also predesinated that all who believe should not perish, but have eternal life

B. I never said God predestined people to go to hell. Neither did the Remonstrants. We are talking about articles of Remonstrants. The Remonstrants said nothing that you just posted, nor did I

 

[7seasrekeyed]

In that article 4, what I see is “God works in you both to will and to do”. Phil. 2:13

This is not Calvin, it is Bible

but they didn't actually use Philippians 2:13

they have gone quite past it

listen...I told you I am not going to go over the whole pre palooza thing again...not with anyone

I would appreciate it if you would kindly move on from me on this topic

let's not cherry pick verses though. are you acquainted with v.12 same chapter?

put v. 12 in context and it no longer supports the CALVINISTIC leanings that you wish to ascribe to it

how are folks working out their own salvation if God is doing it for them? huh? whatsat?

what Paul is ACTUALLY saying, is put the truth of what you say you believe into PRACTICE. don't sit on yer hinies and wait for God to do it because that is not what Christianity is (the last my words)

Christ, needs to be represented through actions and attitudes

Philippians 2 is dealing with how Christians should live, representing Christ on earth. It is not about how God is doing some mysterious under the hood dealings with folk. God works WITH people

WITH people

but I mean it now when I say that is it for me with you in this discussion. you seem to wish to force debate by continuing to quote me.

more and more Christianity is becoming 'to each his/her own'

use some of that 'discern' and discern I really wish to leave off. at this point, it is an irritation with no positive results

 

[crossnote]

and, on
the other hand, to leave the incorrigible and unbelieving in sin and under wrath,

Art. 1 This seems to imply that there are some more sinful than others.

Art. 2 begs the question, 'why do some believe and others refuse unless some are 'less sinful' than others?'

Art. 3 sets up a conundrum, 'we must believe to be born again'/ but how can we believe without illumination from His Spirit (Mat 16:17)? Does God illuminate everyone as He did with Paul?

Art 4 Grace is irresistible when God comes to us in His raw power, but because He deals with us through the means of grace (e.g. the Gospel), this grace can be resisted.

Art 5 de-neuters God's power and intention of keeping to the uttermost those who have come to him (Heb 7:25) and have become His children through the new birth. (Heb 12:5-11).

(Neither do I wholeheartedly hold to the Canons of Dordrecht.)

 

[TooFastTurtle]

but they didn't actually use Philippians 2:13

they have gone quite past it

listen...I told you I am not going to go over the whole pre palooza thing again...not with anyone

I would appreciate it if you would kindly move on from me on this topic

let's not cherry pick verses though. are you acquainted with v.12 same chapter?

put v. 12 in context and it no longer supports the CALVINISTIC leanings that you wish to ascribe to it

how are folks working out their own salvation if God is doing it for them? huh? whatsat?

what Paul is ACTUALLY saying, is put the truth of what you say you believe into PRACTICE. don't sit on yer hinies and wait for God to do it because that is not what Christianity is (the last my words)

Christ, needs to be represented through actions and attitudes

Philippians 2 is dealing with how Christians should live, representing Christ on earth. It is not about how God is doing some mysterious under the hood dealings with folk. God works WITH people

WITH people

but I mean it now when I say that is it for me with you in this discussion. you seem to wish to force debate by continuing to quote me.

more and more Christianity is becoming 'to each his/her own'

use some of that 'discern' and discern I really wish to leave off. at this point, it is an irritation with no positive results

Amen and amen. I couldn't of said it better. The Bible is very simple, yet deep at the same time.

This is one of the other dangers I have noticed with Calvinism. Take for example a person addicted to alcohol, if they took Calvinism to its full logical conclusion, they would just sit and wait for God to change their desire for alcohol. If that does not occur and the man keeps failing to stay sober, perhaps he just was not one of the elect?
If one believes as I do, all you need to do is repent and you know the struggle will be there, but you also know that the longer you go the less the temptation, you know temptation is not sin and you know God will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you can bear and has always provided a way out.

This leaves all of us without excuse. Truly without excuse, but in Calvinism everything is decreed by God, and in everything that would include our sins too.

This is a very dangerous theological system, but practically speaking the vast majority of them believe in free will and operate within it each day of their life and do not take it to the fullest logical conclusion.

 

[Nehemiah6]

This leaves all of us without excuse. Truly without excuse, but in Calvinism everything is decreed by God, and in everything that would include our sins too.

That is exactly where the errors of Reformed Theology began. "Everything is decreed by God". But that is NOT what the Bible reveals. While everything is indeed in God's hands, and He is indeed sovereign over the universe, some things are DECREED (God's perfect will) and many things are ALLOWED (God's permissive will).

The best example is the crucifixion of Christ. His offering for sin as the Lamb of God was decreed from before the foundation of the world (1 Peter 1:18-20). However evil men were allowed to develop their evil machinations against Christ, but they were also held fully accountable for being betrayers and murderers of Christ (Acts 7).

Pilate -- a weak and vacillating man -- knew that Christ was innocent and actually wanted to release Him. But he succumbed to the rabble and the rabble rousers, and condemned Christ against his own will and against Roman law. But God did not hold Pilate accountable. Rather He held the evil Jews accountable. But He allowed them to do what would actually fulfill His own plan of salvation.

 

[ieuan]

There are some really good posts today, some interesting questions raised
and good to see people discussing.

 

[ieuan]

Crossnote in post #335

Ask if article 1 of the Remonstrance suggests some are more sinful than others.

Article 1
That God, by an eternal and unchangeable purpose in Jesus Christ his Son, before the foundation
of the world, hath determined, out of the fallen, sinful race of men, to save in Christ, for Christ’s sake,
and through Christ, those who, through the grace of the Holy Ghost, shall believe on this his son Jesus,
[this part above is sound, and I can pick no error in it ]

and shall persevere in this faith and obedience of faith, through this grace, even to the end; and, on
the other hand, to leave the incorrigible and unbelieving in sin and under wrath, and to condemn
them as alienate from Christ, according to the word of the Gospel in John 3:36:
[similarly I see to error in this part above to me it agrees with scripture and with the Canons of Dordt]


“He that believeth
on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath
of God abideth on him,” and according to other passages of Scripture also. [2]
[this is scripture above , who can fault it.]

So as far as article 1 goes I see no problem in it. This is quite a different take than modern day Arminianism
though, who teach Jesus died and atoned for all, he did in a sense, he died to call all men. But not all will be saved
only a predestined people will be saved out of the mass of humanity through the ages. And those are His chosen
people. The Jews were a chosen people but not all them are saved or will be saved. But those who are born again
of the Spirit of God most certainly are saved and will endure to the end. Vessels of wrath and vessels of honour.
All Christians are chosen of God, loved of God and He will allow no one to pluck them from His hands.

 

[ieuan]

And yes there are degrees of sin and wickedness. Not all are as wicked
as can be, thankfully God's grace preserves them. Others are handed over
victims to their own lust and hatred to their total fall.

In John chapter 10 the Lord says this:

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish,
neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all;
and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

30 I and my Father are one.

31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.