Faith/Works...How much faith? How much works?
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Not only did you not read Romans 8:2, but you missed a lot of chatper six too.
Romans 6:6- Knowing this, that our old manRp is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. (no longer slaves to sin)
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Romans 6:12- Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. (in other words, don't be a slave to sin)
Romans 6:14- For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. (in other words, sin shall not be your master and you shall not be sin's slave. )
Romans 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. (in other words, we were the servants of sin, but no longer)
Romans 6:18- Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. (In other words, you are free from sin and no longer a slave to it.)
Romans 6:20- For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness. (in other words, we were slavess to sin, but no more.)
Romans 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life (free from sin means no longer a slave to it)
He also said For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Romans 6:6- Knowing this, that our old manRp is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. (no longer slaves to sin)
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Romans 6:12- Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. (in other words, don't be a slave to sin)
Romans 6:14- For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. (in other words, sin shall not be your master and you shall not be sin's slave. )
Romans 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. (in other words, we were the servants of sin, but no longer)
Romans 6:18- Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. (In other words, you are free from sin and no longer a slave to it.)
Romans 6:20- For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness. (in other words, we were slavess to sin, but no more.)
Romans 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life (free from sin means no longer a slave to it)
He also said For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
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Are you saying Paul, when he wrote the book of Romans, had not yet appropriated the truth he wrote in chapter eight?
Paul is writing about sin's dominion in chapter seven, but it is showing the fall of sin's dominion in chapter eight.
Apparently, you stopped at chapter seven and never got to chapter eight
Paul is writing about sin's dominion in chapter seven, but it is showing the fall of sin's dominion in chapter eight.
Apparently, you stopped at chapter seven and never got to chapter eight
I've been around long enough in the " 'ol BDF" forum 
cool, long enough, and have even been engaged myself, in flare ups, from time to time. And yes, they DO have a tendency to become quite HEATED. Tempers and "egos" CLASH! But, instead of "sharpening steel with steel", in hopes of edifying one another? It escalates (DE-scends), into personal attacks, where "character assassination", and "name calling" becomes the target for those involved, as well as any "other" "shooter/s", who wish to "join in!"
Here's the way I see it.
Matthew 13
7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:
8 But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.
9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Escalations occur, and not just in the 'ol BDF, when "thirty folders", become offended, with the knowledge of God, that the "sixty folders" have. The "sixty folders" become offended, with the knowledge of the "hundred folders."
So, one can imagine, how fervent the "discussion" may become, when "hundred folders" engage with "thirty folders!"
In these eyes? This "gift of Grace through faith", can, and does "reach a limit", in one's spiritual growth! (So?)
WHAT can it HURT, in one's ASKING for MORE Grace? So one can grow (even) MORE!
cool, long enough, and have even been engaged myself, in flare ups, from time to time. And yes, they DO have a tendency to become quite HEATED. Tempers and "egos" CLASH! But, instead of "sharpening steel with steel", in hopes of edifying one another? It escalates (DE-scends), into personal attacks, where "character assassination", and "name calling" becomes the target for those involved, as well as any "other" "shooter/s", who wish to "join in!"Here's the way I see it.
Matthew 13
7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:
8 But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.
9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Escalations occur, and not just in the 'ol BDF, when "thirty folders", become offended, with the knowledge of God, that the "sixty folders" have. The "sixty folders" become offended, with the knowledge of the "hundred folders."
So, one can imagine, how fervent the "discussion" may become, when "hundred folders" engage with "thirty folders!"
In these eyes? This "gift of Grace through faith", can, and does "reach a limit", in one's spiritual growth! (So?)
WHAT can it HURT, in one's ASKING for MORE Grace? So one can grow (even) MORE!
Budman is guilty of false accusation again, and anyone who listens to false accusers is foolish. Let's see. He called me a Judaizer. Let's see if his accusation is true or false.
Here is proof that I am no Judaizer. Take particular note to the parts in red.
Budman lied. And he keeps saying we are slaves to sin, because he wants to excuse and justify his lies. He thinks he can't help but lie, and therefore believes that Jesus died not only to provide propitiation for our sins, but also to provide indulgences to sin.
Here is proof that I am no Judaizer. Take particular note to the parts in red.
Budman lied. And he keeps saying we are slaves to sin, because he wants to excuse and justify his lies. He thinks he can't help but lie, and therefore believes that Jesus died not only to provide propitiation for our sins, but also to provide indulgences to sin.
clarification... GB9 told me not to reply anymore and they (Bud and DC) would leave me alone. I merely said that it didn't work last time, no reason to think "not replying anymore" will work this time.
If you guys would read the surrounding posts, you might have better comprehension.
Bud is obsessed with trying to prove that Christians are slaves to sin to justify habitual lying.
If you guys would read the surrounding posts, you might have better comprehension.
Bud is obsessed with trying to prove that Christians are slaves to sin to justify habitual lying.
