I am not rejecting GRACE at all. God's MERCY was His GRACE displayed upon Calvary for my sins. Paul said he asked for forgiveness DAILY over his thorn in his side. If Paul therefore asked forgiveness daily, how do you get you no longer have to ask for forgiveness when you sin? It was Paul WHO PREACHED GRACE ,and he still asked for forgiveness DAILY of the thorn in his side!!
Eternal Security/OSAS is Bad Doctrine
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I am not rejecting GRACE at all. God's MERCY was His GRACE displayed upon Calvary for my sins. Paul said he asked for forgiveness DAILY over his thorn in his side. If Paul therefore asked forgiveness daily, how do you get you no longer have to ask for forgiveness when you sin? It was Paul WHO PREACHED GRACE ,and he still asked for forgiveness DAILY of the thorn in his side!!
^This answer knowing PAUL asked daily for forgiveness even while teaching about GRACE, makes it clear the OSAS people DON'T HAVE A CLUE ABOUT SCRIPTURE AT ALL!!
You don't even know that PAUL sought forgiveness on a daily basis!!
And how many people have you told about this LIE called OSAS to who are now going STRAIGHT TO THE LAKE OF FIRE?
IF you knew PAUL REPENTED DAILY, then you would know his GRACE message was about being forgiven daily each time he sought forgiveness, not that he could stop asking for forgiveness!!
Obviously, if Grace was about what the OSAS people claim, then Paul would not have repented on a DAILY BASIS!!
So it is clear the OSAS is INCORRECT!!
I am not claiming since I was saved, grew closer to God, and now live every day in Hope of His return that I would leave God. To me, to leave God now would be stupid since I know of His goodness and love for me and all of His promises.
But, circumstance can arise in anyone's life and they can turn that back on to blame God for it. And that little seed planted can grow and eventually separate a person from God. God made promises. But we must be the ones to believe, obey, and follow God to be rewarded of His promises. And if we choose not believe any more, obey, or follow God...we have made the decision for God to cut us off!!
Your definition sounds like an excuse. It's all in God's hand. No, God's hand is His promise. But we must fit the conditions (to believe, follow, be saved) in order to receive His promises.
STOP putting this on God!!
I bet you have an excuse for everything you do in life....**edited**
But, circumstance can arise in anyone's life and they can turn that back on to blame God for it. And that little seed planted can grow and eventually separate a person from God. God made promises. But we must be the ones to believe, obey, and follow God to be rewarded of His promises. And if we choose not believe any more, obey, or follow God...we have made the decision for God to cut us off!!
Your definition sounds like an excuse. It's all in God's hand. No, God's hand is His promise. But we must fit the conditions (to believe, follow, be saved) in order to receive His promises.
STOP putting this on God!!
I bet you have an excuse for everything you do in life....**edited**
Not sure where you come up with this "blaming God" thing, either.
I'm not blaming God, the opposite really.
God is very patient with us, even when we turn away from him.
And as you have indicated, circumstances can arise in anyone's life that can turn us away from God.
I am not rejecting GRACE at all. God's MERCY was His GRACE displayed upon Calvary for my sins. Paul said he asked for forgiveness DAILY over his thorn in his side. If Paul therefore asked forgiveness daily, how do you get you no longer have to ask for forgiveness when you sin? It was Paul WHO PREACHED GRACE ,and he still asked for forgiveness DAILY of the thorn in his side
Would you copy and paste the verses?
I was thinking that there Is a difference between asking for forgiveness and renewing your mind.
2 Corinthians 10:4-6
King James Version(KJV)
4.) (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds
5.) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
6.) And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.
Would you copy and paste the verses?I was thinking that there Is a difference between asking for forgiveness and renewing your mind.
2 Corinthians 10:4-6
King James Version(KJV)
4.) (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds
5.) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
6.) And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.
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We repent. Days pass. We sin. The sin I just committed IS NOT PART of the sins I confessed to when I repented. So, in order to be saved I had to repent of ALL and CURRENT SINS at that moment. That HAS NOTHING to do with future sins, only that I now have a promise that if I am sincere and repent I will be forgiven.
I took all of your scripture references and NOTHING explains when I sin today it goes back to the day I repented.
That is some straight B.S. from the Adversary you got going on there
I took all of your scripture references and NOTHING explains when I sin today it goes back to the day I repented.
That is some straight B.S. from the Adversary you got going on there
Repenting of sin in scriptue is not each and every sin, It is repenting about who you are and what your doing.
And by the way. Your last sentence you should repent. Because you have sinned.. Not because you cussed, but because you judged.
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It means that many people will be saved, But when their work is tried, they did not show have produced fruit. Thus no reward. Yet they will still be saved,, As though they went through fire.
Ie, A man who escapes his house which is on fire totally naked. He is alive he did not die, but he has nothing to show for his life.
Ie, A man who escapes his house which is on fire totally naked. He is alive he did not die, but he has nothing to show for his life.
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Yes, So how do we interpret the.
Did James contradict paul? Certainly not. Not anymore than the author of hebrews contradicted John.
They must be interpreted so they harmonise with each other.. not so they contradict. If they contradict. Something is wrong with our interpretation.
I call it using scripture to interpret scritpture.
Did James contradict paul? Certainly not. Not anymore than the author of hebrews contradicted John.
They must be interpreted so they harmonise with each other.. not so they contradict. If they contradict. Something is wrong with our interpretation.
I call it using scripture to interpret scritpture.
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Keep telling yourself that..
Paul did not ask forgveness to maintain his salvation.
He confessed his sin like we all should.
One day I pray you learn the difference.
As Paul himself said. Abraham believed God and it was accounted for righteousness. Abraham did nto work to earn it, otherwise he could boast of it. Again, in eph, paul said not of works lest anyone shoudl boast.
If you want to boast of you you repent of every sin (a feet which s impossible I might add) in order to gain salvation. You do not understand paul. Or what he did.
Paul did not ask forgveness to maintain his salvation.
He confessed his sin like we all should.
One day I pray you learn the difference.
As Paul himself said. Abraham believed God and it was accounted for righteousness. Abraham did nto work to earn it, otherwise he could boast of it. Again, in eph, paul said not of works lest anyone shoudl boast.
If you want to boast of you you repent of every sin (a feet which s impossible I might add) in order to gain salvation. You do not understand paul. Or what he did.
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Paul did NOT seek forgiveness every day!
Paul said to be absent from the body was to be present wiht the lord. He could not say this if he thought he had to confess of every sin.. Because there woudl be NO WAY he could know if he was saved or not.
I think you need to study up on what sin is, I think you may have a hard time understanding because you think sins are just certain things..
The penalty of sin is death, The penalty of sin is not confessing each time you sin. You also do not understand Gods judicial system. You can confess your sins until your blue in the face. It does not make up or pay for the penalty of those sins, If thats all you did, you would still die in your sin.
Paul said to be absent from the body was to be present wiht the lord. He could not say this if he thought he had to confess of every sin.. Because there woudl be NO WAY he could know if he was saved or not.
I think you need to study up on what sin is, I think you may have a hard time understanding because you think sins are just certain things..
The penalty of sin is death, The penalty of sin is not confessing each time you sin. You also do not understand Gods judicial system. You can confess your sins until your blue in the face. It does not make up or pay for the penalty of those sins, If thats all you did, you would still die in your sin.
Now compare with this scripture. Do the results agree? (previous verse below for comparison)
John 15:5-6
“I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6 If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.
1 Corinthians 3:14-15
If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. 15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.
John 15:5-6
“I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6 If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.
1 Corinthians 3:14-15
If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. 15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.
Just because you feel "horrible when I sin" doesn't exclude you from the label of sinning willfully.
The good news is this Scripture isn't talking about not having repentance from sins. Much of Scripture is written to exhort believers who were sinning. It's talking about there not being any other sacrifice left for sin. The temple sacrifices no longer hold merit because they were a shadow of Christ to come. Once He came no other sacrifice was left. He alone is the Way.
The good news is this Scripture isn't talking about not having repentance from sins. Much of Scripture is written to exhort believers who were sinning. It's talking about there not being any other sacrifice left for sin. The temple sacrifices no longer hold merit because they were a shadow of Christ to come. Once He came no other sacrifice was left. He alone is the Way.