Eat My Flesh <> Drink my Blood
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Wait a second...you just got done saying that there are no sects within THE CHURCH. Yet you said @Webers.Home is wrong about everything. So does that mean that Webers is not Christian? Or is it expected behavior for there to be a million disagreements within THE CHURCH?? with members of THE CHURCH constantly attacking one another and sometimes going to war with each other?
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If it was the literal blood and body it would give anyone who ate what Jesus promised
he said they would
1. never hunger or thirst
2. Never die
3. Live forever
4. HAS eternal life
5. Will be risen on the last day
6. Will live as long as he lives
7. Will never be lost
Yet people can eat the Eucharist and
1. Still hunger and thirst (they have to continue eating it. It does not endure forever
2. can still die (spiritually)
3. Is not promised they will live forever
4. Does not have eternal life
5. Not asuured they will be risen, and not delivered on the last day
6. no promise they will live as long as he lives
7. can still end up lost
If the Eucharist was the flesh and blood of John 6. Then it would give all as Jesus promised the fact it does nto assure any of what Jesus promised and is not the food which endures to eternal life. then it can’t be the same
he said they would
1. never hunger or thirst
2. Never die
3. Live forever
4. HAS eternal life
5. Will be risen on the last day
6. Will live as long as he lives
7. Will never be lost
Yet people can eat the Eucharist and
1. Still hunger and thirst (they have to continue eating it. It does not endure forever
2. can still die (spiritually)
3. Is not promised they will live forever
4. Does not have eternal life
5. Not asuured they will be risen, and not delivered on the last day
6. no promise they will live as long as he lives
7. can still end up lost
If the Eucharist was the flesh and blood of John 6. Then it would give all as Jesus promised the fact it does nto assure any of what Jesus promised and is not the food which endures to eternal life. then it can’t be the same
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Ok. I spent some time last night in thought about your post. A couple things:
1. Whether Jesus meant real flesh and blood or symbolic, the promises were still made. So tell me this: do people that eat symbolic communion still hunger? Can people who eat symbolic communion still spiritually die? All those things you listed could just as well have been said about people that participate in symbolic communion. Nothing about the argument is any different if it's about symbolic communion. It's exactly the same. If you disagree with that assertion, then please tell me how the nature of those promises is different if the communion is symbolic.
2. If the logic behind your observations is the same whether the communion is real or symbolic, then we have to analyze whether Jesus was lying/mistaken when he made those promises or whether our own understanding is lacking. I have more confidence that Jesus wasn't lying than I have confidence in my own analytical skills.
3. I stand by my assessment of your answer. It really challenged me to think about this from a different perspective.
Pray we all find the truth. That's all I want. Real. Symbolic. I don't really care. I just want the truth.
1. Whether Jesus meant real flesh and blood or symbolic, the promises were still made. So tell me this: do people that eat symbolic communion still hunger? Can people who eat symbolic communion still spiritually die? All those things you listed could just as well have been said about people that participate in symbolic communion. Nothing about the argument is any different if it's about symbolic communion. It's exactly the same. If you disagree with that assertion, then please tell me how the nature of those promises is different if the communion is symbolic.
2. If the logic behind your observations is the same whether the communion is real or symbolic, then we have to analyze whether Jesus was lying/mistaken when he made those promises or whether our own understanding is lacking. I have more confidence that Jesus wasn't lying than I have confidence in my own analytical skills.
3. I stand by my assessment of your answer. It really challenged me to think about this from a different perspective.
Pray we all find the truth. That's all I want. Real. Symbolic. I don't really care. I just want the truth.
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Moses' people couldn't get by on just one day's worth of manna, i.e. they
were perpetually hungry the same as if they were eating ordinary foods.
The situation was aggravated by the fact that manna couldn't be stored for
longer than one day before it spoiled; ergo: the people had to collect a fresh
batch of manna every day.
Plus, the manna couldn't sustain people's health forever. Manna did not
make them immortal, i.e. they eventually died just the same as if they were
living on ordinary foods.
Jesus is superior to manna in that there is no need to collect a fresh batch of
him on a daily basis. The first batch that people eat is the only batch they
will ever need for the rest of their lives because that one batch satisfies a
particular hunger of theirs for good, i.e. permanently.
Also; a meal of Jesus is very nutritious. It gives people eternal life and
immortality, which are things that manna couldn't do for Moses' people.
If all the above is true, then it's readily apparent just how important it is to
find out how to correctly dine upon Jesus flesh and blood.
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Moses' people couldn't get by on just one day's worth of manna, i.e. they
were perpetually hungry the same as if they were eating ordinary foods.
The situation was aggravated by the fact that manna couldn't be stored for
longer than one day before it spoiled; ergo: the people had to collect a fresh
batch of manna every day.
Plus, the manna couldn't sustain people's health forever. Manna did not
make them immortal, i.e. they eventually died just the same as if they were
living on ordinary foods.
Jesus is superior to manna in that there is no need to collect a fresh batch of
him on a daily basis. The first batch that people eat is the only batch they
will ever need for the rest of their lives because that one batch satisfies a
particular hunger of theirs for good, i.e. permanently.
Also; a meal of Jesus is very nutritious. It gives people eternal life and
immortality, which are things that manna couldn't do for Moses' people.
If all the above is true, then it's readily apparent just how important it is to
find out how to correctly dine upon Jesus flesh and blood.
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I find the answer to your question in the passage
1. Belief
29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”
35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.
40 and this is the will of him who sent me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
47 Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.
2. The bread/ flesh blood jesus spoke of is given by the spirit. It is what we are told to BELIEVE in It is belief in these words that give life.
63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life. 64 But there are some of you who do not believe.
3. Peter also understood what Jesus was speaking about. what truly gave eternal life
68 But Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 Also we have come to believe and know that You are the [q]Christ, the Son of the living God.”
Remember, These people were fed by jesus the day before (5000 people) and they followed jesus. Jesus opened the conversation by telling them to not seek for food which perishes (fish and bread0 but for spiritual food which endures to eternal life. He also knew many of them did not believe so he spoke in the way he did
the bread from heaven, His flesh (the cross which would come)
He is telling them to Gnaw and Chew on the words he was giving so that would have the opportunity to believe.
spiritual eating is listening to the word. The end result is believing in the words.
Whoever believes....
everything Jesus promised is given to those who believe..
what sadly some in the church is taken this truth, and turned it into a ceremony.
Jesus is calling for faith, They claim he is calling for us to eat this bread blood and flesh.
I hope this helps
1. Belief
29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”
35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.
40 and this is the will of him who sent me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
47 Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.
2. The bread/ flesh blood jesus spoke of is given by the spirit. It is what we are told to BELIEVE in It is belief in these words that give life.
63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life. 64 But there are some of you who do not believe.
3. Peter also understood what Jesus was speaking about. what truly gave eternal life
68 But Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 Also we have come to believe and know that You are the [q]Christ, the Son of the living God.”
Remember, These people were fed by jesus the day before (5000 people) and they followed jesus. Jesus opened the conversation by telling them to not seek for food which perishes (fish and bread0 but for spiritual food which endures to eternal life. He also knew many of them did not believe so he spoke in the way he did
the bread from heaven, His flesh (the cross which would come)
He is telling them to Gnaw and Chew on the words he was giving so that would have the opportunity to believe.
spiritual eating is listening to the word. The end result is believing in the words.
Whoever believes....
everything Jesus promised is given to those who believe..
what sadly some in the church is taken this truth, and turned it into a ceremony.
Jesus is calling for faith, They claim he is calling for us to eat this bread blood and flesh.
I hope this helps
