Does the Bible solemnly warn of eternal damnation?
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Actually, there isn't a verse where Jesus says, "I am God". There are many verses that support the idea though. Similarly, there may not be a verse that specifically says, "The lake of fire or hell is eternal conscious torment for all people not in the book of life", but there are verses that support the idea. If your approach were sound, one could dismantle Christianity by carefully demanding specific statements that are known to be absent from Scripture. That's just not how we do biblical interpretation. 
Edit: I also might add that Christianity shouldn’t be what you want to make it out to be. If the Bible is silent on something why can’t we just follow suit?
Yes, it’s possible to make inferences and interpretations for eternal conscious torment or anything. How we have hundreds of denominations is due to vagueness in the scriptures.
However, What I see is that there’s more support for the destruction or death of the human soul in hell. Do you see how immortality is conditional on a person’s response to the gospel? How can someone still live forever after rejecting the gospel?
However, What I see is that there’s more support for the destruction or death of the human soul in hell. Do you see how immortality is conditional on a person’s response to the gospel? How can someone still live forever after rejecting the gospel?
Okie now it’s my turn.
Those who disobey the gospel do not live forever in torment, they are destroyed. I’ll show a mere three verses that support the death or destruction of the wicked. There’s a lot more.
Matthew 10:28
28And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
2 Thessalonians 1:8-9
8In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
Those who disobey the gospel do not live forever in torment, they are destroyed. I’ll show a mere three verses that support the death or destruction of the wicked. There’s a lot more.
Matthew 10:28
28And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
2 Thessalonians 1:8-9
8In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
I’m not sure this will land but consider
“And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.”
Revelation 14:9-11 KJV
if they die and don’t exist how can they never have rest ?
I don’t believe spirit ever ceases flesh does and is destroyed but how do we know that mans spirit is ever destroyed ?
“But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.”
Job 32:8 KJV
I think this subject can’t really be “ proven “ either way and there are scriptures that support both ideas either way we see it
I don’t think spirit does the same way as flesh because spirit wasn’t created by God it came out of him who is eternal. So even when a mans body dies thier spirit continues and returns to God from where it came.
“Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.”
Ecclesiastes 12:7 KJV
in the beginning God made our body of the dust but then he breathed into us the spirit of life and man became a living soul . At death it seems the body dies and retirns tonthe biological material it was beforehand the dust and the spirit returns to God where it came from but does spirit ever actually. Ease to exist ? I don’t think we know for sure I’d say no that spiritual beings continue whether good or bad
eternal death is also a thing in my opinion but it’s dying for eternity torment and darkness seperation from God
only my opinion however there are scriptures that suggest both ideas
“And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.”
Revelation 14:9-11 KJV
if they die and don’t exist how can they never have rest ?
I don’t believe spirit ever ceases flesh does and is destroyed but how do we know that mans spirit is ever destroyed ?
“But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.”
Job 32:8 KJV
I think this subject can’t really be “ proven “ either way and there are scriptures that support both ideas either way we see it
I don’t think spirit does the same way as flesh because spirit wasn’t created by God it came out of him who is eternal. So even when a mans body dies thier spirit continues and returns to God from where it came.
“Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.”
Ecclesiastes 12:7 KJV
in the beginning God made our body of the dust but then he breathed into us the spirit of life and man became a living soul . At death it seems the body dies and retirns tonthe biological material it was beforehand the dust and the spirit returns to God where it came from but does spirit ever actually. Ease to exist ? I don’t think we know for sure I’d say no that spiritual beings continue whether good or bad
eternal death is also a thing in my opinion but it’s dying for eternity torment and darkness seperation from God
only my opinion however there are scriptures that suggest both ideas
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“No rest day or night” for a week? A month? It doesn’t specify. It certainly doesn’t say eternally.
Does Romans 6:23 imply spiritual death? If you disagree, then what is being put to death according to Romans 6:23?
23For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
yes, the Bible is quite vague sometimes. Almost as if that’s intentional. I find it hard to believe it’s accidentally unclear on anything.
Yeah you definitely seem to take a balanced approach to this. That’s good I think.
Does Romans 6:23 imply spiritual death? If you disagree, then what is being put to death according to Romans 6:23?
23For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
yes, the Bible is quite vague sometimes. Almost as if that’s intentional. I find it hard to believe it’s accidentally unclear on anything.
Yeah you definitely seem to take a balanced approach to this. That’s good I think.
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yes I’m glad you understood I wasn’t claiming either way and recognize there is scriptire to support either argument about this subject.
“If you disagree, then what is being put to death according to Romans 6:23?”
well in my opinion sin is why we are in this situation
“And as it is appointed unto men once to die,
but after this the judgment:”
Hebrews 9:27 KJV
I believe the reason we die at all is because of sin and what God said in the beginning about e knowledge of good and evil so for instance
“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”
Romans 5:12 KJV
so I believe the one appointment we all have with death came because of mankind transgressing the commandment that said “
When you do this you will surely die “
but man wasn’t ended at that point we were appointed once to die ( our body ) and then we must appear at judgement ( our living spirit )
what I’m saying is the body is made of created material and Will waste away and be gone
my opinion or belief is that a spirit dying isn’t the same but is an eternal state of death rather that becoming nothing . I don’t believe the spirit will ever rest I think that term your asking about probably originated in biblical understanding “ there shall be no rest for the wicked but the righteous shall enter his rest “
I’m thinking “the smoke of their torment rising forever , and them having no rest day or night who worship him “ along with other scriptire like this
“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment:
but the righteous into life eternal.”
Matthew 25:41, 46 KJV
I think eternal life and eternal death will be those two eternal
Places but recognize others might see it “ everlasting punishment means you get destroyed “
it’s just one of those subjects that doesn’t completely plainly say either way I have my belief that spirit doesn’t die the same as flesh flesh is removed and destroyed for all but then their spirit goes alive to God for judgement
the second death in my belief is to end up in that place of eternal flame prepared for Satan his angels and his children who whose to serve him rather than God
but that again is just my own belief from those scriptures and others and realize people see things differently . Some thkngs are extremely clear in scripture other things aren’t as clear all
If it’s true but some things aren’t completely clear at least not to me
My view is the preponderance of evidence says soirit dies forever but never ceases to exist but remains in that terrible state of death and flesh dies and withered into nothing into dust but the spirit came forth from God and endures whether good or evil and each has an eternal home
“If you disagree, then what is being put to death according to Romans 6:23?”
well in my opinion sin is why we are in this situation
“And as it is appointed unto men once to die,
but after this the judgment:”
Hebrews 9:27 KJV
I believe the reason we die at all is because of sin and what God said in the beginning about e knowledge of good and evil so for instance
“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”
Romans 5:12 KJV
so I believe the one appointment we all have with death came because of mankind transgressing the commandment that said “
When you do this you will surely die “
but man wasn’t ended at that point we were appointed once to die ( our body ) and then we must appear at judgement ( our living spirit )
what I’m saying is the body is made of created material and Will waste away and be gone
my opinion or belief is that a spirit dying isn’t the same but is an eternal state of death rather that becoming nothing . I don’t believe the spirit will ever rest I think that term your asking about probably originated in biblical understanding “ there shall be no rest for the wicked but the righteous shall enter his rest “
I’m thinking “the smoke of their torment rising forever , and them having no rest day or night who worship him “ along with other scriptire like this
“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment:
but the righteous into life eternal.”
Matthew 25:41, 46 KJV
I think eternal life and eternal death will be those two eternal
Places but recognize others might see it “ everlasting punishment means you get destroyed “
it’s just one of those subjects that doesn’t completely plainly say either way I have my belief that spirit doesn’t die the same as flesh flesh is removed and destroyed for all but then their spirit goes alive to God for judgement
the second death in my belief is to end up in that place of eternal flame prepared for Satan his angels and his children who whose to serve him rather than God
but that again is just my own belief from those scriptures and others and realize people see things differently . Some thkngs are extremely clear in scripture other things aren’t as clear all
If it’s true but some things aren’t completely clear at least not to me
My view is the preponderance of evidence says soirit dies forever but never ceases to exist but remains in that terrible state of death and flesh dies and withered into nothing into dust but the spirit came forth from God and endures whether good or evil and each has an eternal home
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And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. (Rev 20:15)
Should this not be sufficient for anyone to see that those who are not in the Book of Life will be in eternal torment forever? That the torment of the Lake of Fire is eternal is seen in these passages: And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Rev 20:10)
And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. (Rev 14:9-11)
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. (Rev 21:8)
So we see here that the Second Death is eternal torment in the Lake of Fire, and all those who are not written in the Lamb's Book of Life (the unsaved) are destined for eternal damnation.
At the same time since God wants no one to go to eternal Hell, He commands all men everywhere to repent, and be converted, and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and be saved. That is exactly why the Church has been given the Great Commission, and our primary responsibility is to go into all the world and preach the Gospel to every creature.
Should this not be sufficient for anyone to see that those who are not in the Book of Life will be in eternal torment forever? That the torment of the Lake of Fire is eternal is seen in these passages: And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Rev 20:10)
And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. (Rev 14:9-11)
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. (Rev 21:8)
So we see here that the Second Death is eternal torment in the Lake of Fire, and all those who are not written in the Lamb's Book of Life (the unsaved) are destined for eternal damnation.
At the same time since God wants no one to go to eternal Hell, He commands all men everywhere to repent, and be converted, and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and be saved. That is exactly why the Church has been given the Great Commission, and our primary responsibility is to go into all the world and preach the Gospel to every creature.
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Amen
“And as it is appointed unto men once to die,
but after this the judgment:”
Hebrews 9:27
death isn’t the end of us because we are living spirits inside a body appointed to death
we are inside a rental home that’s been condemned. One death is natural that’s what all are apppinted to but we know after we leave our body we will go alive to judgement and face the second death which seems to me to be this place
“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: …And these shall go away into everlasting punishment:
but the righteous into life eternal.”
Matthew 25:41, 46 KJV
more revelation of that place seems to be
“And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.”
Revelation 14:9- 11
I think it’s vital to understand how we were Created we have a created body made of the earth which is to be destroyed and inside our body we have a living spirit that made man wake and act and think and become alive .
when we die it’s the opposite of creation oir created body dies and our living spirit returns to God for eternal judgement
“And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”
Revelation 20:10, 12-15 KJV
it’s a place of wternal
Punishment it seems for the wicked who rejected Christ and remained in death but as you see they had died but yet we’re still existing and being judged
“And as it is appointed unto men once to die,
but after this the judgment:”
Hebrews 9:27
death isn’t the end of us because we are living spirits inside a body appointed to death
we are inside a rental home that’s been condemned. One death is natural that’s what all are apppinted to but we know after we leave our body we will go alive to judgement and face the second death which seems to me to be this place
“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: …And these shall go away into everlasting punishment:
but the righteous into life eternal.”
Matthew 25:41, 46 KJV
more revelation of that place seems to be
“And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.”
Revelation 14:9- 11
I think it’s vital to understand how we were Created we have a created body made of the earth which is to be destroyed and inside our body we have a living spirit that made man wake and act and think and become alive .
when we die it’s the opposite of creation oir created body dies and our living spirit returns to God for eternal judgement
“And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”
Revelation 20:10, 12-15 KJV
it’s a place of wternal
Punishment it seems for the wicked who rejected Christ and remained in death but as you see they had died but yet we’re still existing and being judged
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To the best of my knowledge, I have not asked you to. Why you repeat this assertion is beyond me.
Informing you of things others have said is not that.
How do you think on this matter?
There are also words mistranslated and substituted that don't belong in support of such ideas, against a plethora of verses that support death as an end, the second death being the the final end for those not in Christ. How difficult is that to understand, really? All of Scripture points to Christ. He is all and life is in Him alone.
God's Word says He will make all things new. Oh, wait, except for this little (or perhaps big) corner over here where the leftovers from before are being tortured for an eternity. How does that glorify God? Rhetorical question, really. Just part of the mindset that goes with believing death is the final end of the wicked as explicitly articulated from beginning to end of Scripture.
Merely the second death? See, this is what I do not understand! You relegate the second death to a merely. Who said it is like the first? The first is not forever after, is it? So how can it be like the second? Do you speak as if death were nothing, while denying it at the same time?
People fear death. It holds them in bondage to sin. Christ gave His precious life to save us from death, but you say, merely death, as if it were nothing! As if people do not fight against the death penalty! Why should they bother, after all, since when they are dead they will not know the difference!? People spend countless resources attempting to prolong, protect, and preserve life, precisely because people do not want to die. It is merely death. Such talk cheapens life, and the cost that was ultimately paid to preserve those who would believe.
Informing you of things others have said is not that.
How do you think on this matter?
There are also words mistranslated and substituted that don't belong in support of such ideas, against a plethora of verses that support death as an end, the second death being the the final end for those not in Christ. How difficult is that to understand, really? All of Scripture points to Christ. He is all and life is in Him alone.
God's Word says He will make all things new. Oh, wait, except for this little (or perhaps big) corner over here where the leftovers from before are being tortured for an eternity. How does that glorify God? Rhetorical question, really. Just part of the mindset that goes with believing death is the final end of the wicked as explicitly articulated from beginning to end of Scripture.
Merely the second death? See, this is what I do not understand! You relegate the second death to a merely. Who said it is like the first? The first is not forever after, is it? So how can it be like the second? Do you speak as if death were nothing, while denying it at the same time?
People fear death. It holds them in bondage to sin. Christ gave His precious life to save us from death, but you say, merely death, as if it were nothing! As if people do not fight against the death penalty! Why should they bother, after all, since when they are dead they will not know the difference!? People spend countless resources attempting to prolong, protect, and preserve life, precisely because people do not want to die. It is merely death. Such talk cheapens life, and the cost that was ultimately paid to preserve those who would believe.