Does the Bible solemnly warn of eternal damnation?
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Yes, but you are REFUSING to believe what that actually means. You are trying vainly to claim that it means "annihilation" when it actually means "eternal damnation" -- ruination in Hell. And therein lies your problem.
Now here is what Jesus said -- these are the recorded words of Christ: He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. (John 3:36) "Abideth" means "remains". And while Christ did not say in this sentence "abideth eternally" He did say that in other places (Mark 9:43-48). "The fire that never shall be quenched" means an eternal fire in Hell.
Now here is what Jesus said -- these are the recorded words of Christ: He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. (John 3:36) "Abideth" means "remains". And while Christ did not say in this sentence "abideth eternally" He did say that in other places (Mark 9:43-48). "The fire that never shall be quenched" means an eternal fire in Hell.
Too funny. You talk of word definitions while you twist them to suit your doctrine. Oh, so God's wrath remaining on someone necessarily means to you that... yeah, you add a bunch of stuff right there. Eternal conscious torment, a doctrine straight from the pits of hell. Please start making a distinction between hell, which is improperly inserted into the text where it does not belong, and the Lake of Fire. You ought to know the difference! While you are pondering those truths and word meanings, you may also consider looking up all the times it is stated that the wages of sin is DEATH, and eternal conscious torment is not ONCE mentioned in the text. How death is the end, the wicked are destroyed utterly, they perish, become nothing. Those verses FAR outweigh any you can bring to the table. They proliferate throughout Scripture from beginning to end, but get twisted around by the likes of you on a regular basis so you can hold to the false doctrine concocted by the RCC.
Our God is a consuming fire
Proverbs 10:25
Our God is a consuming fire
Proverbs 10:25
There's a teaching on Cain and Abel that has one especially remarkable moment when this topic comes up, but only in a "during this lifetime" sort of way.
That may sound contradictory but he's studying the REASON for the events. And the reasoning during THIS life carries over to the reasoning in the eternal. It's just a hard pill to swallow when he describes it.
I'll post the link and could (but won't) tell you where to find the moment I'm talking about. Why? Because If you can spend hours in the BDF, you can afford to listen to 16 minutes of impressive teaching (from a non-Christian, believe it or not) to stumble across a truth that might shed light on eternity. And the Cain and Abel explanation kind of sets the mood for when you get there. (at LEAST start listening at the 5:00 timestamp).
As for the video, I recommend listening rather than watching because his gestures seem distracting rather than helpful (to me), and please remember he's a heathen so you may have to overlook some bad if you want to glean the good. Also, you kind of need to ride along rather than trying to understand each word or phrase along the way because he blasts concepts at a high rate. (It's kind of like trying to enjoy riding in a speed boat). You could always listen to it a second time.
Here's the link to the Cain & Abel video. <--Click on it.
Let me know (preferrably in private, but not required) if you find the moment I'm talking about.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
That may sound contradictory but he's studying the REASON for the events. And the reasoning during THIS life carries over to the reasoning in the eternal. It's just a hard pill to swallow when he describes it.
I'll post the link and could (but won't) tell you where to find the moment I'm talking about. Why? Because If you can spend hours in the BDF, you can afford to listen to 16 minutes of impressive teaching (from a non-Christian, believe it or not) to stumble across a truth that might shed light on eternity. And the Cain and Abel explanation kind of sets the mood for when you get there. (at LEAST start listening at the 5:00 timestamp).
As for the video, I recommend listening rather than watching because his gestures seem distracting rather than helpful (to me), and please remember he's a heathen so you may have to overlook some bad if you want to glean the good. Also, you kind of need to ride along rather than trying to understand each word or phrase along the way because he blasts concepts at a high rate. (It's kind of like trying to enjoy riding in a speed boat). You could always listen to it a second time.
Here's the link to the Cain & Abel video. <--Click on it.
Let me know (preferrably in private, but not required) if you find the moment I'm talking about.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
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I'd always sorta believed that the unsaved would suffer forever due to that was what I'd heard in the few different churches I'd attended. It wasn't really settled in me and because of this, I thought as little about it as I could.
One day I had a thought process (that I don't recall) that led me on a several hour journey through my bible and concordance. I recall that it had to do with where the word fire came from. I eventually concluded that the bible talked about 2 types of fire...physical and spiritual.
I think that one was pyre and the other was perhaps pyra, or something similar. I wish I'd written it down. Anyway, instead of some scripture that appeared to say, "the eternal punishment of fire," it was, "the punishment of eternal fire." I concluded that eternal fire never went out, and after more research, I concluded that it was able to consume one's spirit and soul.
I looked into the root of the word perish and similar words. As with many words, it was possible that it could mean more than one thing.
Know the Father's love, that He knew everything that would happen before He made anything, and His character, I concluded that no one would suffer for eternity. I even learned that the word "forever" might be a finite thing.
I believe that I was unbiased when I came to this conclusion, that I just wanted to know what the truth was. In the end, it matters what the Lord says.
One day I had a thought process (that I don't recall) that led me on a several hour journey through my bible and concordance. I recall that it had to do with where the word fire came from. I eventually concluded that the bible talked about 2 types of fire...physical and spiritual.
I think that one was pyre and the other was perhaps pyra, or something similar. I wish I'd written it down. Anyway, instead of some scripture that appeared to say, "the eternal punishment of fire," it was, "the punishment of eternal fire." I concluded that eternal fire never went out, and after more research, I concluded that it was able to consume one's spirit and soul.
I looked into the root of the word perish and similar words. As with many words, it was possible that it could mean more than one thing.
Know the Father's love, that He knew everything that would happen before He made anything, and His character, I concluded that no one would suffer for eternity. I even learned that the word "forever" might be a finite thing.
I believe that I was unbiased when I came to this conclusion, that I just wanted to know what the truth was. In the end, it matters what the Lord says.
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@Rosemaryx PS~ someone said in the comments for that ^ video:
If this isn't playing in my funeral I'm not dying
If this isn't playing in my funeral I'm not dying
The easy response is what's happens to sinful thinking but doesn't fill responsibility for just thinking beyond the powers of grace and mercy, like Paul wasn't very impressed with his flesh behaviors called Saul, so is the questions where will it be perfectly removed so Paul could overcome that power being alive with him, that other concern of no one else being infected with same belief called Saul is obviously still happening in man. It does sound like Gods killing man with deep failures is your responsibility on what is being sent to hell, fire pits, helpless, haters, liars, dishonest,................for man with Christ in him is a just to weak to save himself.