Does man have a freewill ?

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Everlasting-Grace

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Cameron143 said:
You posited in your last post that sin must be dealt with first so life must be given. Is that not regeneration?
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And I posted numerous posts which state this happens when a person believes.


I'm simply trying to understand what you believe. To that end, I have asked questions to learn and for clarification.
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You know what I believe. please do not play this game..

You said that I misrepresented your position. I'll happily apologize if that is so, but I can't determine that without first actually understanding what you believe.

BTW...answering my last question would have let me know.
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I have stated faith must precede justification. which must precede regeneration.

But you knew this now you are backtracking.

again, I posted all those passages. when do those passages say a person is saved. before or after belief?
 
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Cameron143

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Everlasting-Grace said:
if regeneration precedes faith. then grace is applied before faith. hence faith is not even required.
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Faith is the vehicle of grace. It is the means by which God manifests His grace in salvation. But faith doesn't impart life, but is evidences that life has been imparted.
Faith itself is the result of the Spirit of God employing the word of God. God is clearly present and working before someone believes. Is this not grace.
This is why I began the discussion in Acts 2:37...when they heard this...faith is birthed...they were pricked in their heart...the circumcision without hands...they said...The work of God led those who responded to believe from a changed heart of flesh. We know that they had come to faith because they repented and were baptized.
 
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brightfame52 said:
I dont believe you understand that passage. You just quoted it and expect someone else to explain it.
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I think that about your personal Reformed doctrine. I know the tenants but then you just make stuff up as if those were real principles to the Reformed belief.
 
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brightfame52 said:
Does man have a freewill ?

Im not asking does man have a will, sure he does. God created man with a will, and man has a responsible and accountable will that God gave him at creation. However the question remains, does man have a freewill ?

Man though he has a will, his will isnt free from Gods Sovereign Will and Purpose. Mans will is always subservient to Gods Sovereign Purpose !

Im going to share some scripture which without doubt, indicate that mans will is subservient to Gods Will of Purpose.

Dan 4:34-35

34 And at the end of the days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine eyes unto heaven, and mine understanding returned unto me, and I blessed the most High, and I praised and honoured him that liveth for ever, whose dominion is an everlasting dominion, and his kingdom is from generation to generation:

35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?


Prov 16:9

9 A man's heart deviseth his way: but the Lord directeth his steps.

Prov 19:21

21 There are many devices in a man's heart; nevertheless the counsel of the Lord, that shall stand.

Jer 10:23

23 O Lord, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

These are just a few verses, there are many more !
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FW? Not after woman was created.
 
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lrs68 said:
I think that about your personal Reformed doctrine. I know the tenants but then you just make stuff up as if those were real principles to the Reformed belief.
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Like I said, I dont believe you understand a word of that passage, dont expect me labor it for you, you dont ppay attention to nothing Im saying
 
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reneweddaybyday

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Cameron143 said:
At what point is a person saved?
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Romans 10:9-10 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

To "confess" is more than just repeat the words.

The words "confess" and "confession" are translated from the Greek word homologeō which means to say the same thing as another.

God has chosen the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe (1 Cor 1:21). Someone spoke to you ... spoke to me ... concerning the gospel. We heard someone preach that Jesus Christ is Lord and that God raised Him from the dead. We "confessed" (said the same thing) that Jesus Christ is Lord and we believed in our heart that God raised Him from the dead.

Result = thou shalt be saved.



Cameron143 said:
What is the order of things happening in salvation?
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In eternity past [something of which we are wholly incapable of fully comprehending], the plan for the redemption of mankind was made by God according to His own purpose because God knew Adam and Eve would fall ... even before He created and formed Adam.

Ephesians 1:13 In whom [the Lord Jesus Christ] ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise

after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, you believed

after you believed, you were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise




Cameron143 said:
Who performs what?
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Romans 1:16-17 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it [the gospel of Christ] is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein [the gospel of Christ] is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Because the gospel of Christ is the power of God unto salvation to those who believe (vs 16), once a person believes the gospel, he or she is born again through the power of God.

That is why it is so imperative for the born again one to preach the gospel of Christ ... the gospel is so powerful. We are not responsible for making someone believe ... we are only responsible for preaching the Word of God ... God is the One to bring forth fruit in the heart of those who do not suppress the truth in unrighteousness (Rom 1:18).

"from faith to faith" means that we continue to live by faith. We begin everlasting life in faith and continue in faith ... not from faith to works ... or from works to faith ... but from faith to faith
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Cameron143 said:
Faith is the vehicle of grace. It is the means by which God manifests His grace in salvation. But faith doesn't impart life, but is evidences that life has been imparted.
Faith itself is the result of the Spirit of God employing the word of God. God is clearly present and working before someone believes. Is this not grace.
This is why I began the discussion in Acts 2:37...when they heard this...faith is birthed...they were pricked in their heart...the circumcision without hands...they said...The work of God led those who responded to believe from a changed heart of flesh. We know that they had come to faith because they repented and were baptized.
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Jesus' words in Matthew 17 verses 20-21
Faith the size of a mustard seed moved the mountain of my unbelief .:)
 
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