Does God desire the salvation of all mankind?

[Magenta]

BEFORE Adam gave in to his Temptation, and enticement from satan, there was no "God's Wrath" to deserve. and then Adam fell short of God's glory, and GRACE (unmerited favor) kicked in when God didn't JUDGE ADAM on the spot, and eradicate him. Adam was never CURSED, and his human nature never changed.

So before sinning, Adam, by nature, was not deserving of God's wrath.

Yet we, by way of Adam's sin, are by nature deserving of God's wrath until we repent and believe.

That really looks to me like Adam's nature changed. He started out good, and then was not. And he knew it.

By nature deserving of wrath are the words Scripture uses

 

[Magenta]

Jesus' Words in John 6:65

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

So before sinning, Adam, by nature, was not deserving of God's wrath.

Yet we, by way of Adam's sin, are by nature deserving of God's wrath until we repent and believe.

That really looks to me like Adam's nature changed. He started out good, and then was not. And he knew it.

By nature deserving of wrath are the words Scripture uses

You're making up an artificial problem. YOU and I are deserving of God's wrath, since we've BOTH SINNED. there was a time in both our lives when neither of us had sinned, just like Adam and Eve. and then as soon as we could, we fell short.

There's no such thing as "Original SIN" (A Catholic invention to sell their Paedobaptism concept), and we've got the same HUMAN NATURE that Adam (and Jesus) had (Since Jesus was tempter in every respect AS WE ARE - but Jesus never allowed HIS temptation to "conceive" and birth sinful ACTIONS.

 

[Magenta]

You're making up an artificial problem. YOU and I are deserving of God's wrath, since we've BOTH SINNED. there was a time in both our lives when neither of us had sinned, just like Adam and eve. and then as soon as we could, we fell short.

There's no such thing as "Original SIN" (A Catholic invention), and we've got the same HUMAN NATURE that Adam (and Jesus) had (SInce Jesus was tempter in every respect AS WE ARE - but Jesus never allowed HIS temptation to "conceive" and birth sinful ACTIONS.

It looks like you are trying to turn Adam's sin into an artificial construct.

Before sinning none are worthy. Being reborn is required. Don't overlook that.

I have to go out. Bye for now.

 

[oyster67]

You're making up an artificial problem. YOU and I are deserving of God's wrath, since we've BOTH SINNED. there was a time in both our lives when neither of us had sinned, just like Adam and eve. and then as soon as we could, we fell short.

Sin is imputed to all men at birth.

 

[oyster67]

Romans 5:12

“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

For starters, Job had faith in God.

However, Job had TWO major personal Issues: "Leviathan" which is typical of his "Personal PRIDE Of life", and "Behemoth", typical of his tendency to trust in his own "personal strength".

Toward the end of the book, Job sees his issues, and REPENTS OF THEM, which is what the book is all about - the lengths that God will go to in order to bring us to repentance.

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

Sin is imputed to all men at birth.

Totally FALSE. We provide OUR OWN SIN when we're old enough to let our temptations conceive, and result in sinful actions.

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

It looks like you are trying to turn Adam's sin into an artificial construct.

Before sinning none are worthy. Being reborn is required. Don't overlook that.

I have to go out. Bye for now.

"Original Sin is the "Artificial construct".

 

[oyster67]

Totally FALSE. We provide OUR OWN SIN when we're old enough to let our temptations conceive, and result in sinful actions.

Romans 5:12

“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

No the jews were never Gods chosen people, there was a remnant of jews Chosen, just like theres a remnant of Gentiles chosen. Gods choosing people for salvation isnt based upon race, thats showing respect of person based on ethnicity.

Wrong!!

 

[HeIsHere]

Eph 2:8,9

Paul is not stating saving faith is a gift in this verse.
It is not grammatically correct to interpret this way.

 

[oyster67]

Paul is not stating saving faith is a gift in this verse.
It is not grammatically correct to interpret this way.

Agree. Salvation is the gift. Faith is the means by which we receive it. God graciously gives us the opportunity to come to Him by faith.


Ephesians 2:8
“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:”

It is we who must provide and demonstrate faith, not God.

 

[brightfame52]

Wouldn't this imply that there would be people who were "born-again" that didn't believe?

I dont see that. The main reason for the New Birth is in order to believe. Now is it possible for God to regenerate a person on Monday, and then bring them into contact with the Gospel on Tuesday and they believe on Tuesday, that's possible, however they were still saved by regeneration until they come into contact with the Gospel.

 

[brightfame52]

Saving faith is not a gift, grace and salvation are the gift.

We are saved through faith.

The grammar of the text (Ephesians) and the big picture of scripture makes this clear.

Faith in Salvation is not of ourselves, its by the Grace of God. Both Faith and Grace are Feminine in Eph 2:8 and we believe by Grace scripture says Acts 18:27

27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:

Now is Grace of ourselves or the Gift of God ?

 

[HeIsHere]

Jesus is the founder of our faith. 2 Peter 1:1 Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours: Surely it goes without saying that this is given by God?

founder
noun
a person who founds or establishes something

In context,
For those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours:
Grace and peace be yours in abundance through the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord.
His divine power has given us everything we need for a godly life through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness.

There is also the definition of faith which we still use to this day.......
A body of authoritative teaching. That which is believed, doctrine, the received articles of faith,

This is the context for "a faith" in this letter.

 

[Ted01]

I dont see that. The main reason for the New Birth is in order to believe. Now is it possible for God to regenerate a person on Monday, and then bring them into contact with the Gospel on Tuesday and they believe on Tuesday, that's possible, however they were still saved by regeneration until they come into contact with the Gospel.

I appreciate the reply and your beliefs. Thank you.

I must say that it seems totally improbable though that some who has absolutely no understanding of God would make a
180-degree turn-around in their thinking in just one day... idk?

I believe that people first hear the Gospel preached, think about for a while and come to some conclusion that it either seems logical and/or reasonable or not... then accept or reject it. I believe that during that person's consideration period, God will impart faith to "first believe".

 

[oyster67]

I dont see that. The main reason for the New Birth is in order to believe.

Belief comes first. That is abundantly clear.

We must believe in order to be born-again. Jesus teaches us how to be born again in John 3...

John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

Jesus is addressing how we can be "Born Again".

 

[HeIsHere]

I appreciate the reply and your beliefs. Thank you.

I must say that it seems totally improbable though that some who has absolutely no understanding of God would make a
180-degree turn-around in their thinking in just one day... idk?

I believe that people first hear the Gospel preached, think about for a while and come to some conclusion that it either seems logical and/or reasonable or not... then accept or reject it. I believe that during that person's consideration period, God will impart faith to "first believe".

The Holy Spirit pursues everyone so there is no special imparting of faith. To believe is to be persuaded.

'Abraham believed God', that simple.

Not everyone can take that step of humility but many do.

 

[kaylagrl]

No the jews were never Gods chosen people, there was a remnant of jews Chosen, just like theres a remnant of Gentiles chosen. Gods choosing people for salvation isnt based upon race, thats showing respect of person based on ethnicity.

Then rip Romans 11 out of your Bible and throw it out.