Does God desire the salvation of all mankind?

[Cameron143]

The call is effectual unto the regenerated because they have spiritual ears to hear the Spirit.

Remember what Jesus said Rev 2:7

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

The ear of the Spiritually alive is meant, otherwise man cant hear spiritually

You are preaching to the choir. Learn to speak in love and you may win some.

 

[Snacks]

Yes thats the declaration right there. He did it..

Wrong

 

[John146]

You have to be saved to believe, otherwise man is dead. If a person believes in Jesus Christ they will be saved, meaning they will have been in a saved state.

What you are saying goes against the clear reading of scripture. You are basing you're entire theology on the misinterpretation of one verse.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Rom 9 teaches me that. Thats the word of God

Actually, Romans 9 does indeed explain it very well.

It explains that God can do whatever He wants to do and then explains what God did do.

He allowed the Gentiles to be a part of the SEED.

Unfortunately for you, you refuse to apply the entire Chapter 9 as a WHOLE because it refutes YOUR FALSE DOCTRINE every time!!

 

[MessengerofTruth]

I agree. But I also think that division is so unnessessary over matters that are not essential to faith.

I do agree that division over calvanism vs. free will is not necessary to divide over. We are all at different places in our understandings on different subjects. I understand that we are to stay away from those that persist in pushing something that is not clearly seen in the scripture. I also understand that heresy is a choice one makes to regard his own thought rather than holding the head, which is Christ, to not strive, but be gentle to all and apt to teach. I honestly would like to know what your thoughts are on this.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Believe and then saved…not the other way around.

Acts 16:
30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

David got himself in trouble with God, trying to number Israel, which was punishable by God taking thousands of lives of Israelites.

I might caussion you not to try to determine who is saved eternally, and who is not.

Saved, according to Greek interpretation means "delivered". There is a one time eternal deliverance, and there are many deliverances that the child of God receives as he sojourns here on earth.

If you throw all of the salvation scriptures into the eternal basket, then you will be believing the false doctrine of eternal salvation (deliverance) accomplished by your good works.

 

[John146]

David got himself in trouble with God, trying to number Israel, which was punishable by God taking thousands of lives of Israelites.

I might caussion you not to try to determine who is saved eternally, and who is not.

Saved, according to Greek interpretation means "delivered". There is a one time eternal deliverance, and there are many deliverances that the child of God receives as he sojourns here on earth.

If you throw all of the salvation scriptures into the eternal basket, then you will be believing the false doctrine of eternal salvation (deliverance) accomplished by your good works.

I'm not sure why the comments you made. Acts 16 is specifically asking about the salvation the person from their sin condition. Paul and Silas answer together, believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved.

 

[Cameron143]

I do agree that division over calvanism vs. free will is not necessary to divide over. We are all at different places in our understandings on different subjects. I understand that we are to stay away from those that persist in pushing something that is not clearly seen in the scripture. I also understand that heresy is a choice one makes to regard his own thought rather than holding the head, which is Christ, to not strive, but be gentle to all and apt to teach. I honestly would like to know what your thoughts are on this.

There are some here who seem to have a ministry in argumentation. But it takes 2 to keep an argument going.
If we would spend the time arguing praying instead we will begin making progress.

 

[brightfame52]

Wrong

No Im right, you wrong

 

[brightfame52]

What you are saying goes against the clear reading of scripture. You are basing you're entire theology on the misinterpretation of one verse.

No it doesnt. A lost, unregenerate person is dead, and while lost the Gospel is hid from them so they believe not 2 Cor 4:3-4

3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

So a lost person cant believe what is hid from them

 

[John146]

No it doesnt. A lost, unregenerate person is dead, and while lost the Gospel is hid from them so they believe not 2 Cor 4:3-4

3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

So a lost person cant believe what is hid from them

I wonder why Paul answered the way he did? Hmmmm? Should I take Paul's word which was inspired by God, or your private interpretation? I'm going with Paul. He said, believe and thou shalt be saved.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

If you persist in debating and bringing a division, I would say that you are dangerously close to heresy, having chosen to push a non-salvation issue, but a revelatory issue to the point of division and schism rather than being a patient and loving servant. I don't mean to be ugly, but I've seen so much trouble over this and not a lot of godly fruit in those that "win". Love edifies...

Would you agree with me that when Jesus was on earth, as a man, preaching his doctrine, that the greater part of the, then, population, did not believe him, thinking that it was a hard saying, who could understand it, and eventually thought they killed him.

John 14:17, says the world (majority) cannot receive the Spirit of truth.

I love to discuss the scriptures in defense of the doctrine, as I understand it, and to me, it is the most loving and comforting doctrine that I am acquainted with

I believe the scriptures teach eternal deliverance by God's sovereign grace.

I want to follow the guidelines of the forum, but am concerned about the term "hyper grace" not understanding what it means. Can you explain?

 

[kaylagrl]

It's a worthy question and privately I would have no problem debating the nuances of salvation, but I have 0 interest in entering this fray.[/QUOTE]


Smart, smart man...

 

[Cameron143]

Even the blind squirrel finds the occasional nut.

 

[MessengerofTruth]

Would you agree with me that when Jesus was on earth, as a man, preaching his doctrine, that the greater part of the, then, population, did not believe him, thinking that it was a hard saying, who could understand it, and eventually thought they killed him.

John 14:17, says the world (majority) cannot receive the Spirit of truth.

I love to discuss the scriptures in defense of the doctrine, as I understand it, and to me, it is the most loving and comforting doctrine that I am acquainted with

I believe the scriptures teach eternal deliverance by God's sovereign grace.

I want to follow the guidelines of the forum, but am concerned about the term "hyper grace" not understanding what it means. Can you explain?

I agree with you in what you have quoted, I only would differ in that I believe that the offer stands that whosoever may come. Jesus said "If I be lifted up (on the cross) I will draw All men unto Me." I do agree that most will not and cannot receive, not necessarily that GOD willed that unbelief in them, but that as He said "(those) Men love darkness rather than light".
I am not that familiar with hypergrace I just was seeking clarity on that subject myself. But to assure you, I don't believe that I would carry that doctrine.

 

[Snacks]

There are some here who seem to have a ministry in argumentation. But it takes 2 to keep an argument going.
If we would spend the time arguing praying instead we will begin making progress.

The problem is there are people who read these threads who are unsure of their standing with God and the truth needs to be defended at all costs for their sake, hence the arguments. But as you’ve seen, I’m starting to prefer popcorn.

 

[kaylagrl]

David got himself in trouble with God, trying to number Israel, which was punishable by God taking thousands of lives of Israelites.

I might caussion you not to try to determine who is saved eternally, and who is not.

Saved, according to Greek interpretation means "delivered". There is a one time eternal deliverance, and there are many deliverances that the child of God receives as he sojourns here on earth.

If you throw all of the salvation scriptures into the eternal basket, then you will be believing the false doctrine of eternal salvation (deliverance) accomplished by your good works.

So are you saying you can't know whether you are saved and on your way to heaven?

 

[Cameron143]

The problem is there are people who read these threads who are unsure of their standing with God and the truth needs to be defended at all costs for their sake, hence the arguments. But as you’ve seen, I’m starting to prefer popcorn.

If you could expand your menu to include pizza I might join you.
And there are times to defend and times to be silent.
I like what Spurgeon wrote about defending Christ...defending Christ is like defending a lion in a cage. No need really, just open the cage and let Him out.

 

[Nehemiah6]

In Romans 9, God uses the example of the Potter and the clay and says that it is in His sovereign prerogative to make vessels both to honor and dishonor.

This needs to be properly interpreted. In the DIVINE FOREKNOWLEDGE OF GOD he already sees those who choose evil over good, who choose to reject the Gospel and reject Christ. So God sees them as vessels of dishonor. He knows in advance who will believe and who will not believe the Gospel. But that is not the same as claiming that God predestines some for damnation. That is Calvinistic Nonsense.

 

[Cameron143]

This needs to be properly interpreted. In the DIVINE FOREKNOWLEDGE OF GOD he already sees those who choose evil over good, who choose to reject the Gospel and reject Christ. So God sees them as vessels of dishonor. He knows in advance who will believe and who will not believe the Gospel. But that is not the same as claiming that God predestines some for damnation. That is Calvinistic Nonsense.

I understand your position on most things and I appreciate your perspective. And no scripture alone is sufficient for doctrine.
My purpose in posting was understood to some and not others.