Does God desire the salvation of all mankind?

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Runningman said:
It’s true. God does not want the wicked to die nor does He take any pleasure in it. He wants all people to be saved.

Ezekiel 18
23Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked? declares the Sovereign Lord. Rather, am I not pleased when they turn from their ways and live?

Ezekiel 33
11Say to them, ‘As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign Lord, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live. Turn! Turn from your evil ways! Why will you die, people of Israel?’

1 Timothy 2
3This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.
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We must not forget, that by our nature, the born again, are sometimes referred to as wicked.
 
kaylagrl said:
So that would be a yes on the total depravity. lol I'm on my way out the door but would like to add some ideas into the discussion perhaps later today.
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Yes man is dead to God until he is resurrected. So until then, total spiritual inability.
 
brightfame52 said:
One must be saved in order to call upon the name of the Lord. If one isnt saved by regeneration first, he or she is spiritually dead.
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You say this but it clearly contradicts the order of the verse. Call then saved. If you believe prior regeneration that is another matter.
 
brightfame52 said:
Yes, it is true, God created the vessels of wrath for destruction, and makes them fitted.
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There is no emphatic proclamation stating God creates vessels for destruction. There’s a huge WHAT IF in that verse meaning imagine if God did that. Your twisting of Scripture is not inspired by the Holy Spirit.
 
brightfame52 said:
One must be saved in order to call upon the name of the Lord. If one isnt saved by regeneration first, he or she is spiritually dead.
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Believe and then saved…not the other way around.

Acts 16:
30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
 
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Cameron143 said:
In Romans 9, God uses the example of the Potter and the clay and says that it is in His sovereign prerogative to make vessels both to honor and dishonor. In the very next chapter He says all who call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Until the Bible is allowed to speak for God this debate will continue.
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If you persist in debating and bringing a division, I would say that you are dangerously close to heresy, having chosen to push a non-salvation issue, but a revelatory issue to the point of division and schism rather than being a patient and loving servant. I don't mean to be ugly, but I've seen so much trouble over this and not a lot of godly fruit in those that "win". Love edifies...
 
Snacks said:
There is no emphatic proclamation stating God creates vessels for destruction. There’s a huge WHAT IF in that verse meaning imagine if God did that. Your twisting of Scripture is not inspired by the Holy Spirit.
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Yes thats the declaration right there. He did it..
 
MessengerofTruth said:
If you persist in debating and bringing a division, I would say that you are dangerously close to heresy, having chosen to push a non-salvation issue, but a revelatory issue to the point of division and schism rather than being a patient and loving servant. I don't mean to be ugly, but I've seen so much trouble over this and not a lot of godly fruit in those that "win". Love edifies...
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You sure you are wanting to share this with me. Calling someone a heretic is serious business. I'm not attempting to divide. Just the opposite is true.
Perhaps you have difficulty harmonizing the free will of man and the sovereignty of God. I don’t. Both statements are in scripture. Both are unequivocally true. Men can make free choices that neither limit or impede God from ruling sovereignly.
 
John146 said:
Believe and then saved…not the other way around.

Acts 16:
30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
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You have to be saved to believe, otherwise man is dead. If a person believes in Jesus Christ they will be saved, meaning they will have been in a saved state.
 
Cameron143 said:
You sure you are wanting to share this with me. Calling someone a heretic is serious business. I'm not attempting to divide. Just the opposite is true.
Perhaps you have difficulty harmonizing the free will of man and the sovereignty of God. I don’t. Both statements are in scripture. Both are unequivocally true. Men can make free choices that neither limit or impede God from ruling sovereignly.
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Before regeneration man is dead and his will is a servant of his darkened mind, sinful flesh, the world, and devil Eph 2:1-3

And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

The only way to escape this death and slavery, is if God in mercy makes us alive !
 
Cameron143 said:
You sure you are wanting to share this with me. Calling someone a heretic is serious business. I'm not attempting to divide. Just the opposite is true.
Perhaps you have difficulty harmonizing the free will of man and the sovereignty of God. I don’t. Both statements are in scripture. Both are unequivocally true. Men can make free choices that neither limit or impede God from ruling sovereignly.
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I am so sorry, I totally misread your post! Please forgive me. I am on the same page as you.
It is a very serious thing to call someone a heretic, I agree. I was referring to those that are pushing the calvanism and stirring up division by it. It says to mark those that cause divisions and have nothing to do with them.
 
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brightfame52 said:
Before regeneration man is dead and his will is a servant of his darkened mind, sinful flesh, the world, and devil Eph 2:1-3

And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

The only way to escape this death and slavery, is if God in mercy makes us alive !
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Look...I'm far more reformed than you. But your manner of presentation isn't winning any converts. What's the point?
 
MessengerofTruth said:
I am so sorry, I totally misread your post! Please forgive me. I am on the same page as you.
It is a very serious thing to call someone a heretic, I agree. I was referring to those that are pushing the calvanism and stirring up division by it. It says to mark those that cause divisions and have nothing to do with them.
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I agree. But I also think that division is so unnessessary over matters that are not essential to faith.
 
Cameron143 said:
You are referring to an effectual call?
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The call is effectual unto the regenerated because they have spiritual ears to hear the Spirit.

Remember what Jesus said Rev 2:7

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

The ear of the Spiritually alive is meant, otherwise man cant hear spiritually
 
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