Do you observe the Sabbath?
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In Christ we are not "Under the law", we have been freed from the condemnation, and not guilty of transgressing the law.
But should we obey?
Should we keep sinning.
Rom 2:25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision. 26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. 29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: 30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
We are told to establish the law. Both Jews and Gentiles.
Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. 15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Again, we shouldn't sin because of Gods grace. We told to yield ourselves servants of righteousness and obey.
Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
We are not told to cast away the law but to serve in newness of spirit.
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. 8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
No law = no sin.
It is the 10 commandments mentioned above.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Nowhere does Paul say the law is to be ignored or forgotten.
We should serve because we are saved and because we want to serve in the Spirit of righteousness.
In Christ we are not "Under the law", we have been freed from the condemnation, and not guilty of transgressing the law.
But should we obey?
Should we keep sinning.
Rom 2:25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision. 26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. 29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: 30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
We are told to establish the law. Both Jews and Gentiles.
Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. 15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Again, we shouldn't sin because of Gods grace. We told to yield ourselves servants of righteousness and obey.
Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
We are not told to cast away the law but to serve in newness of spirit.
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. 8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
No law = no sin.
It is the 10 commandments mentioned above.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Nowhere does Paul say the law is to be ignored or forgotten.
We should serve because we are saved and because we want to serve in the Spirit of righteousness.
Galatians 2:15-21
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15 We are Jews by birth. We were not born “sinners,” as we call those who are not Jews. 16 But we know that no one is made right with God by following the law. It is trusting in[a] Jesus Christ that makes a person right with God. So we have put our faith in Christ Jesus, because we wanted to be made right with God. And we are right with him because we trusted in Christ—not because we followed the law. I can say this because no one can be made right with God by following the law.
17 We Jews came to Christ to be made right with God, so it is clear that we were sinners too. Does this mean that Christ makes us sinners? Of course not. 18 But I would be wrong to begin teaching again those things that I gave up. 19 It was the law itself that caused me to end my life under the law. I died to the law so that I could live for God. I have been nailed to the cross with Christ. 20 So I am not the one living now—it is Christ living in me. I still live in my body, but I live by faith in[c] the Son of God. He is the one who loved me and gave himself to save me. 21 I am not the one destroying the meaning of God’s grace. If following the law is how people are made right with God, then Christ did not have to die.
Easy-to-Read Version
15 We are Jews by birth. We were not born “sinners,” as we call those who are not Jews. 16 But we know that no one is made right with God by following the law. It is trusting in[a] Jesus Christ that makes a person right with God. So we have put our faith in Christ Jesus, because we wanted to be made right with God. And we are right with him because we trusted in Christ—not because we followed the law. I can say this because no one can be made right with God by following the law.
17 We Jews came to Christ to be made right with God, so it is clear that we were sinners too. Does this mean that Christ makes us sinners? Of course not. 18 But I would be wrong to begin teaching again those things that I gave up. 19 It was the law itself that caused me to end my life under the law. I died to the law so that I could live for God. I have been nailed to the cross with Christ. 20 So I am not the one living now—it is Christ living in me. I still live in my body, but I live by faith in[c] the Son of God. He is the one who loved me and gave himself to save me. 21 I am not the one destroying the meaning of God’s grace. If following the law is how people are made right with God, then Christ did not have to die.
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I think your stance on this subject and the sabbath commandment comes down to your view, or perception of the law.
If the 10 commandments are part of the laws that past away... well the sabbath has past away.
If the 10 commandments are moral laws that help us to see sin, the sabbath is valid today.
The bible is our source of truth.
Jesus said Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Luk 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it. 17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail. 18 Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.
Research which law ended at the cross.
If the 10 commandments are part of the laws that past away... well the sabbath has past away.
If the 10 commandments are moral laws that help us to see sin, the sabbath is valid today.
The bible is our source of truth.
Jesus said Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Luk 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it. 17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail. 18 Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.
Research which law ended at the cross.
Deuteronomy 4:11-13
"Then you came near and stood at the foot of the mountain, and the mountain burned with fire to the midst of heaven, with darkness, cloud, and thick darkness. And the LORD spoke to you out of the midst of the fire. You heard the sound of the words, but saw no form; [you] only [heard] a voice. So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.
Hebrews 12:18-24
For you have not come to the mountain that may be touched and that burned with fire, and to blackness and darkness and tempest, and the sound of a trumpet and the voice of words, so that those who heard [it] begged that the word should not be spoken to them anymore. (For they could not endure what was commanded: [ "And if so much as a beast touches the mountain, it shall be stoned][ or shot with an arrow."] And so terrifying was the sight [that] Moses said, [ "I am exceedingly afraid] and trembling.") But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn [who are] registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than [that of] Abel.
2 Corinthians 3:7-11
But if the ministry of death, written [and] engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which [glory] was passing away, how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? For if the ministry of condemnation [had] glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory. For even what was made glorious had no glory in this respect, because of the glory that excels. For if what is passing away [was] glorious, what remains [is] much more glorious.
"Then you came near and stood at the foot of the mountain, and the mountain burned with fire to the midst of heaven, with darkness, cloud, and thick darkness. And the LORD spoke to you out of the midst of the fire. You heard the sound of the words, but saw no form; [you] only [heard] a voice. So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.
Hebrews 12:18-24
For you have not come to the mountain that may be touched and that burned with fire, and to blackness and darkness and tempest, and the sound of a trumpet and the voice of words, so that those who heard [it] begged that the word should not be spoken to them anymore. (For they could not endure what was commanded: [ "And if so much as a beast touches the mountain, it shall be stoned][ or shot with an arrow."] And so terrifying was the sight [that] Moses said, [ "I am exceedingly afraid] and trembling.") But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn [who are] registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than [that of] Abel.
2 Corinthians 3:7-11
But if the ministry of death, written [and] engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which [glory] was passing away, how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? For if the ministry of condemnation [had] glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory. For even what was made glorious had no glory in this respect, because of the glory that excels. For if what is passing away [was] glorious, what remains [is] much more glorious.
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John 1:17
For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
"the law"
If you break any part of it you are guilty of it all. So saith the scriptures.
You don't get to select which jots or tittles to obey and which to disregard.
if you are under sabbath you are also under all the sacrifices and food, and you must not trim your beard, and you must have blue tassels on your garments.
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you can become partaker in the new covenant of His blood, and be joint heirs with Abraham.
The covenant of Moses made with wicked, unbelieving Israel is annuled by our death with Christ.
The covenant of faithful Abraham stands. The covenant of untainted Noah with all the earth stands.
For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
"the law"
If you break any part of it you are guilty of it all. So saith the scriptures.
You don't get to select which jots or tittles to obey and which to disregard.
if you are under sabbath you are also under all the sacrifices and food, and you must not trim your beard, and you must have blue tassels on your garments.
OR
you can become partaker in the new covenant of His blood, and be joint heirs with Abraham.
The covenant of Moses made with wicked, unbelieving Israel is annuled by our death with Christ.
The covenant of faithful Abraham stands. The covenant of untainted Noah with all the earth stands.
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If you break any part you are a sinner...
James makes it clear that it doesn't matter which command you break, you are a transgressor ether way.
But he was talking about the 10 commandments.
The cerimonial laws, laws contained in ordinance have served there purpose. But the 10 commandments are still valid.
Do you think it is acceptable to kill, steal, covit, and bow down to graven images?
Can we just pick and choose which laws we want to keep.
God has made it plan which laws are valid and which have past away.
Mat 5: 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
You said "if your under the sabbath you also under all the sacrifices and food.... "
The weekly sabbath was part of the 10. I don't find any command to keep sacrifices because i want to keep the sabbath.
And would that mean those that choose to not take Gods name in vain need to keep all the cerimonial laws?
James makes it clear that it doesn't matter which command you break, you are a transgressor ether way.
But he was talking about the 10 commandments.
The cerimonial laws, laws contained in ordinance have served there purpose. But the 10 commandments are still valid.
Do you think it is acceptable to kill, steal, covit, and bow down to graven images?
Can we just pick and choose which laws we want to keep.
God has made it plan which laws are valid and which have past away.
Mat 5: 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
You said "if your under the sabbath you also under all the sacrifices and food.... "
The weekly sabbath was part of the 10. I don't find any command to keep sacrifices because i want to keep the sabbath.
And would that mean those that choose to not take Gods name in vain need to keep all the cerimonial laws?
Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Should we obey these commandments?
1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
Should we keep the commandments?
Which commandments?
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Should we keep the commandments or not?
Simple question.
Should we obey these commandments?
1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
Should we keep the commandments?
Which commandments?
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Should we keep the commandments or not?
Simple question.
Here are two of the commandments that John is referring to.
1 John 3:23-24
This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us. The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
Both of the commandments above grant life eternal.
As for the ten commandments (the law), you should know that they deliver condemnation.
That is as simple as I could make it.
1 John 3:23-24
This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us. The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
Both of the commandments above grant life eternal.
As for the ten commandments (the law), you should know that they deliver condemnation.
That is as simple as I could make it.
There are many other heavy sins mentioned in both the law and the prophets. For example, kidnapping, drunkenness, afflicting orphans, rebellion, etc.
The law and the prophets notify you of sin.
Anything that is not of faith is a sin.
The good that you know you should be doing and don't do it, that is sin.
Causing your brother to stumble is a serious sin.
Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is an unforgivable sin.
Not forgiving others means you will not be forgiven yourself.
This list goes on and on.
The law and the prophets notify you of sin.
Anything that is not of faith is a sin.
The good that you know you should be doing and don't do it, that is sin.
Causing your brother to stumble is a serious sin.
Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is an unforgivable sin.
Not forgiving others means you will not be forgiven yourself.
This list goes on and on.
As I skimmed through the posts, a thought occurred to me that it is peculiar that we just assume the sabbath synonymous with the seventh day, although I do get this is because God set the seventh day apart and made it (a?, or is it the?) sabbath. The peculiarity of it is that, among the 10 commandments, all the others are to be 'observed' everyday so, why wouldn't this standpoint apply to this commandment also. Is it impossible to 'remember the sabbath and keep it holy' everyday?