Do you observe the Sabbath?

[Inquisitor]

My church observes the Sabbath on Sunday. I met a couple of Zionists that told me it was Saturday. jI dont know what to believe. Even observing it on a Sunday, theres not much rest. Its usually taken up with organizing for Monday or cleaning.

I have never attended a church that rested on a sabbath day.

To do so, would require you to observe the book of the law.

Deuteronomy 30:10
If you obey the Lord your God, to keep His commandments and His statutes which are written in this Book of the Law.

The churches I attended were under grace and not under the book of the law.

The only nation that was given the sabbath as a law was Israel. Israel had a preparation day before the sabbath, to do all the cooking. cleaning, etc. The entire nation of Israel rested on the sabbath day. It has me beat how westerners can rest on the sabbath day, without having a preparation day available.

 

[TMS]

Paul clearly includes the 10 commandments when he says "the law" -- see Romans 7:7

there is zero indication anywhere in the NT that any time anyone mentions "the law" they are only talking about certain jots and tittles but not other ones.
Paul in fact includes Genesis under the term "the law" -- see Galatians 4:21-31

If it is the same one law being mentioned in all of the NT, Matt 5:17, Rom, Gal, Col, James, Rev. Some of the verses would controdict themselves.... ?
Mat 5:17-18
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Heaven and Earth are still here so the law here has not changed......

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Which law??
I don't think paul is talking about cicumcism
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

In this verse it is the 10 commandments... The law is spiritual and holy and good.

Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Galatians has a lot to say about the law and it is easy to apply the law you want to apply so it suits your belief.
It needs to be read in context and with the rest of the bible.

Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Is this the same law that would not change according to Matt 5:17.

Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

Christ abolished this law..
Ordinances being a key..

Col 2: 14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. 16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Is this the same law that Jesus was talking about in Matt 5:17.

Is it the same law as..
Jas 2: 10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

... 1Jn 2: 3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Some places in the bible we are told that the law is nailed to the cross and in many places we are told to keep the law.

If it is the same law the bible is controdicting itself.

It is clear that Christ has set us free from the condemnation of the law. We are not under the curse when Christ forgives us.

Does that make the law void and do we continue in sin that grace might abound?

 

[TMS]

I have never attended a church that rested on a sabbath day.

To do so, would require you to observe the book of the law.

Deuteronomy 30:10
If you obey the Lord your God, to keep His commandments and His statutes which are written in this Book of the Law.

The churches I attended were under grace and not under the book of the law.

The only nation that was given the sabbath as a law was Israel. Israel had a preparation day before the sabbath, to do all the cooking. cleaning, etc. The entire nation of Israel rested on the sabbath day. It has me beat how westerners can rest on the sabbath day, without having a preparation day available.

The preperation day is important to keep the sabbath properly.
Western society has made it harder and harder for people to obey the sabbath.
The was given to mankind and we are asked to remember it because we love God. Many are not willing to observe the sabbath because of the sacrifices they might need to make.
But like all of Gods commandments they are for our good.
Psa 119: 34 Give me understanding, and I shall keep thy law; yea, I shall observe it with my whole heart. 35 Make me to go in the path of thy commandments; for therein do I delight.

 

[Walter]

Thank you and God bless.

You are welcome, and may the LORD bless you and your love ones.

Love, Walter and Debbie

 

[posthuman]

If it is the same one law being mentioned in all of the NT, Matt 5:17, Rom, Gal, Col, James, Rev. Some of the verses would controdict themselves.... ?
Mat 5:17-18
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Heaven and Earth are still here so the law here has not changed......

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Which law??
I don't think paul is talking about cicumcism
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

In this verse it is the 10 commandments... The law is spiritual and holy and good.

Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Galatians has a lot to say about the law and it is easy to apply the law you want to apply so it suits your belief.
It needs to be read in context and with the rest of the bible.

Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Is this the same law that would not change according to Matt 5:17.

Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

Christ abolished this law..
Ordinances being a key..

Col 2: 14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. 16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Is this the same law that Jesus was talking about in Matt 5:17.

Is it the same law as..
Jas 2: 10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

... 1Jn 2: 3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Some places in the bible we are told that the law is nailed to the cross and in many places we are told to keep the law.

If it is the same law the bible is controdicting itself.

It is clear that Christ has set us free from the condemnation of the law. We are not under the curse when Christ forgives us.

Does that make the law void and do we continue in sin that grace might abound?

There is no contradiction.
Not one jot or tittle need pass away for the law to have no jurisdiction over a dead man
We who believe, died with Christ. See Romans 7:1-6 it is very plain language.

On the other hand your view is to selectively delete all kinds of jots and tittles and change the definition of 'the law' every time you read it, to accommodate what you think it should say - this is I think not very good exegesis

 

[chess-player]

My church observes the Sabbath on Sunday. I met a couple of Zionists that told me it was Saturday. jI dont know what to believe. Even observing it on a Sunday, theres not much rest. Its usually taken up with organizing for Monday or cleaning.

For your church to do that is not only bad but very legalistic. The Sabbath rest is not a specific day, but rather the definition of a new day of rest that Jesus procured for us when He finished the work of redemption.

 

[posthuman]

My church observes the Sabbath on Sunday. I met a couple of Zionists that told me it was Saturday. jI dont know what to believe. Even observing it on a Sunday, theres not much rest. Its usually taken up with organizing for Monday or cleaning.

The sabbath of the law of Moses is Friday sundown till Saturday sundown.

It is not 'changed to Sunday' - - that's simply not true.
Christians have met on Sunday historically since the beginning of the church, because it is the day Christ rose.

 

[Walter]

My church observes the Sabbath on Sunday. I met a couple of Zionists that told me it was Saturday. jI dont know what to believe. Even observing it on a Sunday, theres not much rest. Its usually taken up with organizing for Monday or cleaning.

Hi TheNarrowPath, I was raised the Sunday teachings of the Sabbath for years until I wanted to know the truth of this issue,

About This Issue

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Just curious if anyone observes the Sabbath. It seems like some people do and some people don’t, citing a variety of reasons.

Are there any clear commands to observe a Sabbath rest on the seventh day of the week? Which verses? I ask because I see there are clear commands to observe some of the 10 commandments, but I can’t find anything about Jesus or one of the apostles commanding anyone to keep the Sabbath.

Personally I don’t observe Sabbath day of rest as of right now, but I’ve considered it and I’m not opposed to it.

Also, if you keep the Sabbath, what do you do and don’t do on your Sabbath day of rest?

“Just curious if anyone observes the Sabbath. It seems like some people do and some people don’t, citing a variety of reasons.”

“Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

One man esteemeth one day above another:

another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way. And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:1-6, 13, 23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If a Christian believes they need to observe special sabbath days as different from any other day , and if another Christian believes I don’t need to observe one day more than any other

Both are acceptable to God because they are operating by thier faith our instruction in the church is not to condemn someone who eats what the law said we’re unclean foods , and the other who eats meat he’s not supposed to point out the weakness of faith that they are still trying tokoperate under the law of Moses but to accept each other even when we think differently abo it Moses law and it’s ordinances


One man observed a sabbath other doesn’t it’s between God and the believer

“One man esteemeth one day above another:

another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.”

whatever we each are fully convinced of is what we need to operate in or ot makes the person guilty by thier own conscience

the example here is food laws but it’s applicable to the entire law

“And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith:

for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if I believe in my heart I need to observe the sabbath and then I don’t it’s imputing a sin on me because I’m not walking by my faith and according to the conscience Gods word has shapes in my heart and mind we have to walk by what it is we have learned and believe but also we need to not try to force anyone else to keep oir standard they have to walk by faith also and some believe the sabbath day is essential others understand this part

“And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:13-14, 16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the ordinances of the law were just foreshadows of Jesus once the reality comes we need to embrace him and let the patterns and irrelevant ordinances go

if you have a new house built , you don’t need to them go back and begin with the blueprints , rather you just start living in the house that was built according to the blueprints

the sabbath day was a foreshadow and had been fulfilled and removed and everything we need is found in the gospel and Christs testament

 

[TMS]

People are claiming the change from saturday to sunday happened when Jesus rose.
This is far from the truth.
There is no evidence of this change and there is lots of evidence that christians kept the sabbath, Saturday, for hundreds of years.

Here are various Catholic sources claiming the change was the doing of the Roman Catholic Church:

Cardinal James Gibbons, The Faith of Our Fathers (Ayers Publishing, 1978): 108:
"But you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify."

The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine (1957): 50:
Q. Which is the Sabbath day?
A. Saturday is the Sabbath day.
Q. Why Do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
A. We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.

Chancellor Albert Smith for Cardinal of Baltimore Archdiocese, letter dated February 10, 1920:
"If Protestants would follow the Bible, they should worship God on the Sabbath day by God is Saturday. In keeping the Sunday, they are following a law of the Catholic Church."

Stephen Keenan, Catholic—Doctrinal Catechism 3rd Edition: 174:
Question: Have you any other way of proving the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?

Answer: Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her, she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the 1st day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the 7th day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.

Our Sunday Visitor (February 5, 1950):

Practically everything Protestants regard as essential or important they have received from the Catholic Church... The Protestant mind does not seem to realize that in accepting the Bible and observing the Sunday, in keeping Christmas and Easter, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the church, the Pope

 

[TMS]

the ordinances of the law were just foreshadows of Jesus once the reality comes we need to embrace him and let the patterns and irrelevant ordinances go

The laws that were shadows are no longer to be kept.
I agree but you make the weekly sabbath one of these shadow laws and there is no evedance for that.
The verses in Col 2 talk about new moons and sabbaths were about yearly, cerimonial sabbaths. They were introduced after sin and they are no longer applicable. The weekly sabbath was made holy at creation and there is no verse that states that the sanctity of it was removed.

Show the bible verses that makes the weekly sabbath part of the laws that finished at the cross.

 

[Saul-to-Paul]

Just curious if anyone observes the Sabbath. It seems like some people do and some people don’t, citing a variety of reasons.

Are there any clear commands to observe a Sabbath rest on the seventh day of the week? Which verses? I ask because I see there are clear commands to observe some of the 10 commandments, but I can’t find anything about Jesus or one of the apostles commanding anyone to keep the Sabbath.

Personally I don’t observe Sabbath day of rest as of right now, but I’ve considered it and I’m not opposed to it.

Also, if you keep the Sabbath, what do you do and don’t do on your Sabbath day of rest?

Jesus Christ became the Sabbath Day after Pentecost in man's timeline, for God is not bound by time. When someone becomes saved their now cleaned soul enters into rest in the kingdom of God which is God's Spirit.

There are no commands to worship on a specific day after Pentecost.

 

[Saul-to-Paul]

Jesus Christ became the Sabbath Day after Pentecost in man's timeline, for God is not bound by time. When someone becomes saved their now cleaned soul enters into rest in the kingdom of God which is God's Spirit.

There are no commands to worship on a specific day after Pentecost.

Matthew 11:28-30 King James Version 28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

The laws that were shadows are no longer to be kept.
I agree but you make the weekly sabbath one of these shadow laws and there is no evedance for that.
The verses in Col 2 talk about new moons and sabbaths were about yearly, cerimonial sabbaths. They were introduced after sin and they are no longer applicable. The weekly sabbath was made holy at creation and there is no verse that states that the sanctity of it was removed.

Show the bible verses that makes the weekly sabbath part of the laws that finished at the cross.

“The laws that were shadows are no longer to be kept. ( yes that’s your faith telling you that it doesn’t apply to someone who believes they are to be kept if they believe they are and don’t keep them it makes them guilty by thoer own conscience and faith )

I agree but you make the weekly sabbath one of these shadow laws and there is no evedance for that.”

You would have to let the scripture that says it be the evidence that changes your mind

“Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: which are a shadow of things to come;

but the body is of Christ.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the sabbath day , and all the sabbaths they had to keep , all of Moses ordinances given through the levites we’re shadow of the reality that we learn in the gospel through Christ , the reality that caused the shadow to appear at all

the true sabbath a Christian needs to keep thier rest is found in those diligence here

“At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭11:25, 27-30‬ ‭

The Ten Commandments are about teaching mankind what sin is “ Thou shalt not work on the seventh day “ “ or you must surely be put to death by all the other people “ is teaching about sin and it’s resulting death.

in the law you couldn’t mloterally any work you couldn’t stoke your fire , gather fire wood , gather food literally nothing

“And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp. And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses.”
‭‭Numbers‬ ‭15:32, 35-36‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That’s the purpose of the law tommake people aware of sin and it’s consequence. It’s made to impute sin by saying “ God says do not o any work whatsoever on a sabbath it’s a sin and you must die “ or don’t commit adultery it’s a sin and you will be put to death by the others “

the commandments and then Moses governing law cording to them are one law meant to do this

“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

while the gospel it came for this reason and purpose

“and said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:46-47‬ ‭KJV‬‬


The law was to make us aware of sin and make us understand we’re sinners also and condemned by sin

the gospel is to redeem us know gay we understand what sin and death is , we can repent and believe the gospel d follow Christs word and know righteousness and life but whether we o observe a particular day of rest each week , has nothing to do with what God has commanded man he’s commanded us to believe what’s in the gospel and thats our rest because it’s giving us a promise of everlasting life , overcoming death remission of all
Our sins ect ,,,,Jesus is the one who said all of those things when his disciples gathered corn on a sabbath , or he himself did works on a sabbath they weren’t sinning , Jesus was teaching us that observance of certain days in no way saves or condemns us but rather how we treat other people that God dearly loves that’s what it’s about Christ and the gospel is mankind’s sabbath rest to move from the works of the flesh in the law to the fruits of the spirit in the gospel

truly though if one person is a Christian and in thoer own mind and heart they think “ boy tone who doesn’t observe a Sunday sabbath is doomed or Gods not pleased with that person because of it , has absolutely not really
Heard the gospel

but that person that thinks that way needs to keep the sabbath or it’s sin for them

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Jesus Christ became the Sabbath Day after Pentecost in man's timeline, for God is not bound by time. When someone becomes saved their now cleaned soul enters into rest in the kingdom of God which is God's Spirit.

There are no commands to worship on a specific day after Pentecost.

every day we walk with the lord now when we work or rest amen he’s with us

 

[posthuman]

It needs to be read in context and with the rest of the bible.

as does Exodus 16 - 20

what is the context? to whom is this covenant given?
under what circumstances? why? why this particular covenant?
for how long?
is it the covenant with the church?
what is the covenant the church is grafted into?

 

[gb9]

The laws that were shadows are no longer to be kept.
I agree but you make the weekly sabbath one of these shadow laws and there is no evedance for that.
The verses in Col 2 talk about new moons and sabbaths were about yearly, cerimonial sabbaths. They were introduced after sin and they are no longer applicable. The weekly sabbath was made holy at creation and there is no verse that states that the sanctity of it was removed.

Show the bible verses that makes the weekly sabbath part of the laws that finished at the cross.

show me where gentiles were ever under the Law, and thus commanded to keep the Sabbath.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

The laws that were shadows are no longer to be kept.
I agree but you make the weekly sabbath one of these shadow laws and there is no evedance for that.
The verses in Col 2 talk about new moons and sabbaths were about yearly, cerimonial sabbaths. They were introduced after sin and they are no longer applicable. The weekly sabbath was made holy at creation and there is no verse that states that the sanctity of it was removed.

Show the bible verses that makes the weekly sabbath part of the laws that finished at the cross.

“Show the bible verses that makes the weekly sabbath part of the laws that finished at the cross.”

I have never said it “Finished at the cross “ I said the entire law is removed at baptism into Christs death , death ends the law . Show me any verse that says thy sabbath day is different from any other law in Moses writings infact what you’ll find is it’s one huge law me to violate even one commandment means your condemned as breaking the whole thing it operates as one whole unit everything Moses commanded them from Sinai here cknsoder this maybe you’ll agree that the sabbath commandment is given when the lord spoke hen forst to the people , and gave the tablets to Moses ? That’s not our law is my point what came from Sinai on e desert , what Moses told the children of Israel in the desert of sin , doesn’t apply to us but what Jesus came preaching applies to us

there’s a seperation of the two covenants the sabbath commandment is part of the old covenant made with israel froM Sinai but that’s not for us in Christ

“For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest, and the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more: (for they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart: and so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭12:18-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s not our word from God but it’s the law your talking about containing the observance of special days , the exclusion of certain foods , the ceremonial things all
Of it made up Israel's
Law

to be clear though we do no harm to anyone that’s how we fulfill the Old Testament law we don’t harm others that fulfills all the ot commandments

“Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭13:8-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬


That our requirement for the ot ot teaches not to harm others steal from others lie to others commit adultery against others. Don’t do harm to anyone fulfills the law

I’m not sure where your coming from are you saying the sabbath law contained in Moses law is somehow a seperate law from thy law itself somehow I’m nOt following ?

our mediator is Jesus thiers was Moses we are about the things Jesus taught it’s simple if we’re doing good on any day we’re acting acceptably , if we’re doing evil on any day we’re acting unacceptably and have to repent

The things like “ can we eat pork “ or “ do we need to do absolutely nothing on Sunday not even stoke our fire for heat ? “ or “ the real sabbath is Saturday , no it’s Sunday “ those things are what Paul is talking about in Roman’s 14 we need to believe what we believe about all the details like that d live according to Lori own faith , and also never judge another Christian believes differently about such details as a sabbath day or which day or a moon festival , those things don’t matter to God now they were like shadows they used to be all
Man could see but now try reality came d true rest is found the figure that made the shadow appear came forth

we don’t need anything Moses commanded them we need everything Jesus preached of his kingdom

but our subjection to the whole law ( including the sabbath days ordinances ) ends at death.

“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:3‬ ‭

“Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:1, 4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

when he says dead to the law why would we seperate an ordinance of the law from it ? What day we take off of work doesn’t have anything to do with salvstion of eternal life it was an ordinance given through Moses to israel in the law we died to the law when we got baptized me that means we’re dead to the law it doesn’t command and require anything of a dead person they sinned and died and it was fulfilled

baptism means we died to the old covenant d are raised up to the new found in Christ

 

[Pilgrimshope]

as does Exodus 16 - 20

what is the context? to whom is this covenant given?
under what circumstances? why? why this particular covenant?
for how long?
is it the covenant with the church?
what is the covenant the church is grafted into?

“The law and the prophets were until John:

since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭16:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

what is the covenant the church is grafted into?

“Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.

Behold, I have given him for a witness to the people, a leader and commander to the people. Behold, thou shalt call a nation that thou knowest not, and nations that knew not thee shall run unto thee because of the LORD thy God, and for the Holy One of Israel; for he hath glorified thee.

Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near: let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.”

‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭55:3-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles…. he shall bring forth judgment unto truth. He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.”
Isaiah‬ ‭42:1, 3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Hearken unto me, my people; and give ear unto me, O my nation: for a law shall proceed from me, and I will make my judgment to rest for a light of the people. My righteousness is near; my salvation is gone forth, and mine arms shall judge the people; the isles shall wait upon me, and on mine arm shall they trust.”

‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭51:4-5‬ ‭KJV

“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:14-15‬ ‭


“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭28:30-31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The New Testament was first preached by Jesus to only israel , that births the church , and then he sent those few that accepted him and believes him out to preach the same words to everyone else in the world

what Jesus preached in the gospel is the churches covenant complete with the word of God that speaks the covenant , the atonement sacrifice of blood ,my hat remits sin the flesh of the sacrifice that is eaten , a new living priesthood in heaven

the things Jesus taught is what defines the covenant for believers

 

[Inquisitor]

People are claiming the change from saturday to sunday happened when Jesus rose.
This is far from the truth.
There is no evidence of this change and there is lots of evidence that christians kept the sabbath, Saturday, for hundreds of years.

Here are various Catholic sources claiming the change was the doing of the Roman Catholic Church:

Cardinal James Gibbons, The Faith of Our Fathers (Ayers Publishing, 1978): 108:
"But you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify."

The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine (1957): 50:
Q. Which is the Sabbath day?
A. Saturday is the Sabbath day.
Q. Why Do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
A. We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.

Chancellor Albert Smith for Cardinal of Baltimore Archdiocese, letter dated February 10, 1920:
"If Protestants would follow the Bible, they should worship God on the Sabbath day by God is Saturday. In keeping the Sunday, they are following a law of the Catholic Church."

Stephen Keenan, Catholic—Doctrinal Catechism 3rd Edition: 174:
Question: Have you any other way of proving the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?

Answer: Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her, she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the 1st day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the 7th day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.

Our Sunday Visitor (February 5, 1950):

Practically everything Protestants regard as essential or important they have received from the Catholic Church... The Protestant mind does not seem to realize that in accepting the Bible and observing the Sunday, in keeping Christmas and Easter, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the church, the Pope

You mentioned the Catholic Church but what about the Greek Orthodox?

The Greek Orthodox is the Corinthian church.

You never mentioned the Eastern Orthodox church which stemmed from the Laodicean church.

These are first century churches that sternly follow tradition just like the Roman church.

Go ahead and ask them what day they observe!

There was never any change to any day of the week.

Jesus rose early on the first day and all these ancient churches follow that same Sunday tradition.

No pope in the Greek and Orthodox churches.