Do we stress baptism enough?
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I agree with you. It really is so very sad. Many accept as fact what is declared most often regardless of there being proof to the contrary.
People should consider what Jesus said about taking the broad (most accepted) way. "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Matt 7:13-14
People should consider what Jesus said about taking the broad (most accepted) way. "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Matt 7:13-14
Another Bible Guru Heavyweight Charles Stanley ------says the same thing as the other 2 heavyweights ---all 3 agree ----so I am sure you will say all 3 are wrong ----
I say ----
so carry on with your own belief and Good Luck on the other side of this physical world --------
I will stay with my believe and with what the 3 heavyweights agree on ---Baptism comes after your saved ------it is an outward expression of your inward Faith-----
Read all for yourself --Just posted some of His sermon notes --------
Charles Stanley - Baptism: The Clear Teaching of Scripture
https://sermons.love/charles-stanle...-baptism-the-clear-teaching-of-scripture.html
What I want us to see in this passage of Scripture and other passages is this: what does the Word of God, what does Jesus, what does the apostle Paul, what does the Word of God teach about baptism?
Well, one of the most significant things and the first things is this:
that baptism follows, listen, baptism follows salvation, follows regeneration, follows your redemption, follows your justification. That is, baptism and salvation are not the same. There's not one word in the Scripture that says, "If I'm baptized I'm saved".
What I want you to see is this: there's a lot of error that has been taught. And it's been taught for so long and that has been accepted by so many people.
Many people are deceived by it. And what I want you to see is this:
it's very clear in the Word of God that salvation must precede baptism or the baptism is void.
So, let's look at it let's look at a few. For example, when Paul, in Ephesians, and there are many passages of Scripture, but in Ephesians chapter two verse eight and nine, that many people know by heart.
When he was talking about salvation what did he say? He said, "For by grace are you saved through faith; that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not of works, lest any person should boast". Then he said that we have been gifted by God and we're to serve Him.
He didn't say, "You've got to be baptized to be saved". When Paul who was in jail, he and Silas and the jailer came out and said to him, because he was scared to death, had an earthquake. And he said, "Sir, what must I do to be saved"? Here's what he said, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved".
I say ----------WORTH REPEATING this statement Stanley says ------
Many people are deceived by it. And what I want you to see is this:
it's very clear in the Word of God that salvation must precede baptism or the baptism is void.
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Yes, LOTS of Confusing errors taught, because The Word Of Truth is not Rightly
Divided! ie:
Under the law and John's water baptism, did "salvation precede salvation"?:
Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That DIFFER!” {online}:
Under Mystery And GRACE!:
Salvation By GRACE Through faith, apart from ALL works of the law, including
water baptism.
GRACE And Peace...
Divided! ie:
Under the law and John's water baptism, did "salvation precede salvation"?:
Luk 7:29 And all the people that heard him, and the publicans,
justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John.
Luk 7:30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel
of God against themselves, being not baptized of him.
Or, should we just Re-interpret this and other LAW passages "to fit in" below?Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That DIFFER!” {online}:
Under Mystery And GRACE!:
Salvation By GRACE Through faith, apart from ALL works of the law, including
water baptism.
GRACE And Peace...
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Amen all faith is meant to be expressed outwardly in our words and also deeds.
it’s also the pledge of a good conscience toward God because we have done what God said to do that remits our sins ( clears our conscience ) from Past sins because we believe he died for our sins and rose up again
“The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:”
1 Peter 3:21 KJV
I’m other words we’ve heard the word of God witness this
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,
and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
Acts 2:38 KJV
And so when we believe that and do it , it’s a pledge from Gods own word that our sins are remitted. Because as your saying it is an act or expression of faith In the God who cannot lie.
Confirming to our own conscience by Gods pledge to believers our sins are remitted through the death , burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Amen all faith is meant to be expressed outwardly in our words and also deeds.
it’s also the pledge of a good conscience toward God because we have done what God said to do that remits our sins ( clears our conscience ) from Past sins because we believe he died for our sins and rose up again
“The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:”
1 Peter 3:21 KJV
I’m other words we’ve heard the word of God witness this
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,
and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
Acts 2:38 KJV
And so when we believe that and do it , it’s a pledge from Gods own word that our sins are remitted. Because as your saying it is an act or expression of faith In the God who cannot lie.
Confirming to our own conscience by Gods pledge to believers our sins are remitted through the death , burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Well, your "emphasis" is a massive turn off. And here's why: I'm pretty sure that if I visited you at your church, you wouldn't talk to me as you talk to me and so many here. And because you would talk to me differently face to face than you do here, it makes you two-faced. We should be the same person no matter where we are, and no matter who we speak to. Our hearts should be the same for all people.
Matthew 5:44 NKJV - "But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you . . ."
You force your beliefs upon us . . . what about the clear teaching of Christ above? If you treat US the way you do, I can only imagine how you treat those who make themselves your enemy. I hope that you change one day. I hope that you can love your neighbor as you seem to so love yourself.
Mark 12:31 NKJV - "And the second, like it, is this: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no other commandment greater than these."
I totally forgive you, but I do not want to associate with you if you plan to constantly degrade us.
Matthew 5:44 NKJV - "But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you . . ."
You force your beliefs upon us . . . what about the clear teaching of Christ above? If you treat US the way you do, I can only imagine how you treat those who make themselves your enemy. I hope that you change one day. I hope that you can love your neighbor as you seem to so love yourself.
Mark 12:31 NKJV - "And the second, like it, is this: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no other commandment greater than these."
I totally forgive you, but I do not want to associate with you if you plan to constantly degrade us.
I won't say they're wrong. But there is one thing that should be understood.
These guys make a lot of money writing books. They write the same things and reinforce one another by quoting each other so as to boost sales. The reason they write the things they do is because that's what the market demands. They don't have any scruples; if the market winds shifted tomorrow they change right along with it.
I just hate to see people getting suckered in by scams like this. It's the evangelical industrial complex at work.
These guys make a lot of money writing books. They write the same things and reinforce one another by quoting each other so as to boost sales. The reason they write the things they do is because that's what the market demands. They don't have any scruples; if the market winds shifted tomorrow they change right along with it.
I just hate to see people getting suckered in by scams like this. It's the evangelical industrial complex at work.
YA __YA __YA ----Same old stuff -----can't see the forest for the money ---your so caught up in the money tree yourself ---
just maybe --------you and others are the one's missing the truth of your Baptism theory and these Ministers have it right ------
But here is the real truth ---You will definitely know the real truth about what water Baptism when you meet your maker ----and lets hope Jesus doesn't say -----Go ----depart from me as I never knew you because your water Baptism failed ------
Here is the thing ---If one follows the Word -----what you need to do to be saved which is to -------
Romans 10:9-10 ESV
9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.
I say
There is not one word in this Scripture above that says water baptism is needed to be saved
Then you get baptised ---your saver in being received at the pearly gates than going with your own interpretation of what the Scripture says about water Baptism -----Satan is a great deceiver and as Stanley says ---many have been Deceived about this water Baptism saving a person ------
better to be safe than sorry in your end -------just saying -----
just maybe --------you and others are the one's missing the truth of your Baptism theory and these Ministers have it right ------
But here is the real truth ---You will definitely know the real truth about what water Baptism when you meet your maker ----and lets hope Jesus doesn't say -----Go ----depart from me as I never knew you because your water Baptism failed ------
Here is the thing ---If one follows the Word -----what you need to do to be saved which is to -------
Romans 10:9-10 ESV
9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.
I say
There is not one word in this Scripture above that says water baptism is needed to be saved
Then you get baptised ---your saver in being received at the pearly gates than going with your own interpretation of what the Scripture says about water Baptism -----Satan is a great deceiver and as Stanley says ---many have been Deceived about this water Baptism saving a person ------
better to be safe than sorry in your end -------just saying -----
Ok if you won't say they're wrong concerning this thread why have posted the rest of what you have said?
You say they don't have scruples and if the market winds shifted tomorrow they change along with it?
That really doesn't make sense, if they are not wrong with what they believe a preach you are coming across as saying they can change it to earn more money.
Basically wolves in sheep's clothing?
You say they don't have scruples and if the market winds shifted tomorrow they change along with it?
That really doesn't make sense, if they are not wrong with what they believe a preach you are coming across as saying they can change it to earn more money.
Basically wolves in sheep's clothing?