Do the non-elect have free-will?
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oy...so now everyone is elected unless of course they are not. the dissonance is real
so, according to you, the elect were chosen and the rest of us folk have the freedom to choose. And there are many examples of you posting this same thing.
Yeah well this sarcastic comment does not pass for actual concern.
I'm not making this personal so maybe keep those kinds of comments to yourself.
so, according to you, the elect were chosen and the rest of us folk have the freedom to choose. And there are many examples of you posting this same thing.
Yeah well this sarcastic comment does not pass for actual concern.
I'm not making this personal so maybe keep those kinds of comments to yourself.
Why can you not understand that God only chose some, not all, people for His purpose. …like the apostles, the prophets, or whatever He needed them to accomplish for Him. Are you jealous of the Elect? Look at Paul. He was chosen. Was his life easy? heck no. And Jeremiah—he was called the weeping prophet. Why can’t you understand that? and by the way, no one knows whether or not they are Elect. God loves ALL of His children—ALL that believe in Jesus.
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Ephesians 1:3 + Philippians 2:13
From Ephesians 1:4-6
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I've always thought that all that the Father gave to Christ, which He would lose none, were the Elect, as in, the Elect being another name for "believer."
To me, this is really serious, as it could revolutionize how I see the Scriptures. If you expounded on this in another post, I'd love to read it. If not, could you explain more as a reply here? Thank you!!
To me, this is really serious, as it could revolutionize how I see the Scriptures. If you expounded on this in another post, I'd love to read it. If not, could you explain more as a reply here? Thank you!!
I've really noticed the difference in the way you communicate. There is a gentleness in your words, a kindness that only comes from the Lord. I want to commend you for not lashing out when perhaps in the past you might have (before you were Transformed). So, I encourage you to continue to express your genuine Love and concern for those who do not share your Holy and Righteous way. When you said it was sad that such a person could not understand . . . I knew that you were genuine and not mocking in tone. Well done, and you have been a great example for me to follow.
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This is mystery of lawlessness
Satan and his sons
First heaven created to develop it and finish
It is the second chance to gods to overcome devil what they did not do this in heavens before
All of you are gods but will die like people
We have been gods once on heaven's now people
Free Will given for a period to do your own destiny
After that period nothing can be done
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For this reason they could not believe, because, as Isaiah says elsewhere
Satan and his sons
First heaven created to develop it and finish
It is the second chance to gods to overcome devil what they did not do this in heavens before
All of you are gods but will die like people
We have been gods once on heaven's now people
Free Will given for a period to do your own destiny
After that period nothing can be done
New International Version
For this reason they could not believe, because, as Isaiah says elsewhere
Hello Thunderr!
I am always looking to update my definition of freewill. I'm guilty of thinking that it is also the uninhibited, unrestricted right to choose. If there is a better, more Biblical definition, lay it on me!
I am always looking to update my definition of freewill. I'm guilty of thinking that it is also the uninhibited, unrestricted right to choose. If there is a better, more Biblical definition, lay it on me!
His will is not our will its his
Only the one who does the will of the father will be saved.
Therefore any other will is not free
Well the choices I make I've already made them in God's eyes.
God has every man living outside of time for a good reason.
So not one person is in control he is.
For instance he says he knows what I need before I ask.
Which means he has me living outside of his present time but for a good reason.
I believe the choices I make are to be corrected by God's liberty.
And the Choices I make may sound like I'm free to make them, but if they where totally free I would not be living outside of time
God has every man living outside of time for a good reason.
So not one person is in control he is.
For instance he says he knows what I need before I ask.
Which means he has me living outside of his present time but for a good reason.
I believe the choices I make are to be corrected by God's liberty.
And the Choices I make may sound like I'm free to make them, but if they where totally free I would not be living outside of time
It’s important
I’m beginning to think that there is no such thing as non-elect—only elect and free will. You’re either elect or not—Just like a lion cannot be a non-lion.
In a nutshell, the following is my understanding:
Our Father is eternal and He created all souls in His eternal realm. All souls were created by Him and for Him. To understand election, we must keep in mind our pre-existence. There was an earth age before the one we’re living in now. At that time, we were all in our spiritual bodies, just as we will also be changed back into our spiritual bodies (in the twinkling of an eye) when Jesus returns at the 7th trump, which will be the third and final age (eternity). Continuing…. In the first earth age, Lucifer rebelled against God and many followed him—but, not all. Those who chose to remain faithful to the LORD, God predestined for salvation. These are the Elect. God destroyed that first earth age and created a new one and He put in place a plan to bring as many people as possible back to Himself by giving “whoever“ both a Savior (JESUS) and free will to choose Him. God sent His Son to die for all of us. That’s how much God loves us.
For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water. But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
- 2 Peter 3:5-9
I’m beginning to think that there is no such thing as non-elect—only elect and free will. You’re either elect or not—Just like a lion cannot be a non-lion.
In a nutshell, the following is my understanding:
Our Father is eternal and He created all souls in His eternal realm. All souls were created by Him and for Him. To understand election, we must keep in mind our pre-existence. There was an earth age before the one we’re living in now. At that time, we were all in our spiritual bodies, just as we will also be changed back into our spiritual bodies (in the twinkling of an eye) when Jesus returns at the 7th trump, which will be the third and final age (eternity). Continuing…. In the first earth age, Lucifer rebelled against God and many followed him—but, not all. Those who chose to remain faithful to the LORD, God predestined for salvation. These are the Elect. God destroyed that first earth age and created a new one and He put in place a plan to bring as many people as possible back to Himself by giving “whoever“ both a Savior (JESUS) and free will to choose Him. God sent His Son to die for all of us. That’s how much God loves us.
For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water. But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
- 2 Peter 3:5-9
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