Do Jews still believe the Messiah is coming?

[Cyberm]

Jesus fulfilled the OT prophecies to the letter, so as Christians of course we believe the Messiah has already come and now lives as our Redeemer. But I'm wondering whether Jews still believe the Messiah is coming or just what? If so, who are they expecting? What qualities do they believe this person will have?

Yes, Jews still believe the messiah is coming and that he hasn’t come yet. They believe once the messiah comes he will bring peace upon the earth and unit everyone. They also believe that the messiah will accomplish the mission of getting the Jews back to isreal, rebuilding the temple, and he will do this all in one go, and that the messiah won’t die and then come back to complete the mission. You wanna know my guess? My guess is that if all of this is true (the Bible and what it says about the future) the Jews could be deceived into thinking the Antichrist is the messiah

 

[pittsburghjoe]

#4758096

Berean Study Bible Par ▾
Put On the New Self

(Ephesians 4:)
9Do not lie to one another, since you have taken off the old self with its practices, 10and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator.

if someone had worked out their own salvation enough to overcome sin, then to tell others they sin would be a lie and would be wrong, unkind, not right, untruthful. it would not be something to hide from others but to let them know about.

those who are not working out their own salvation, i.e. - believe in following the narrow path and all that is good would have reasons to disbelieve this could ever be possible. and with good reason, having never had things properly explained to them with an open mind to learn and understand more things of God (1 Cor. 13:12, 1 Cor. 8:2).

not making excuses, just being honest.

you are choosing to be dishonest and say you do not sin.

that is on you.

As ImageofGod already told you ...you can't comprehend someone not sinning because you are on the wrong side of the veil ...you love your sin too much to care about being Saved.

https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...-messiah-is-coming.203677/page-9#post-4757813

 

[ImageofGod]

@gb9


to know another's heart is a difficult thing. if the Spirit has given you this gift then you are able to see whether another is truthful or not. most probably have not been given such a gift.

another way would be insight given from the Spirit as how to speak. some might think they speak from Spirit, when actually it is their beliefs and a general judgement. not of the other -- but a belief which might be from Spirit, or not. and not applying to every person.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

not making excuses, just being honest.

you are choosing to be dishonest and say you do not sin.

that is on you.

If JESUS is the veil ...guess Who you are on the wrong side of? JESUS said "GO AND SIN NO MORE" (John 8:11).

Hebrews 10:19-21
Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
And having an high priest over the house of God;

 

[gb9]

If JESUS is the veil ...guess Who you are on the wrong side of? JESUS said "GO AND SIN NO MORE" (John 8:11).

Hebrews 10:19-21
Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
And having an high priest over the house of God;

" sin no more" is a goal to strive for, not a self-deception to fall into.


you sin. just like me, and everyone else.

i just admit it. you do not .

 

[pittsburghjoe]

" sin no more" is a goal to strive for, not a self-deception to fall into.


you sin. just like me, and everyone else.

i just admit it. you do not .

i was a horrific sinner for 98% of my life ...GOD woke me up to the real situation we are in. You are refusing to click back a couple pages and see what else i already said on the topic.

Just click on this https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...-messiah-is-coming.203677/page-9#post-4757813

 

[pittsburghjoe]

This post wasn't by me, but it has relevant Scripture in it:

"For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven." - Matthew 5:20 KJV

"And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. For many are called, but few are chosen." - Matthew 22:11-14 KJV

"I will greatly rejoice in the Lord, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels." - Isaiah 61:10 KJV

"I put on righteousness, and it clothed me: my judgment was as a robe and a diadem." - Job 29:14 KJV

"But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof." - Romans 13:14 KJV

"Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;" - Colossians 3:12 KJV

https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...messiah-is-coming.203677/page-10#post-4757926

 

[pittsburghjoe]

There is a sea of lukewarm trying to have two masters.


Matthew 6:24
No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

 

[gb9]

all Scripture is relevant.

like 1st John, where John says " i write this to you so that you may not sin"

then, he goes on to say " if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ"

you have to apply both of those, not promote one and ignore the other.

 

[Jocund]

What was this thread about again? Oh, yeah- the Jews! Or "religious israelis' if you insist.

It seems to me the zionists vary. Some of them believe the messiah is "an idea" rather than a person. Some believe the messiah is a person and they are leaning on a broken covenant, and repeating the error of the first century Jews. Their "messiah" will be whoever gets their temple built- regardless of his heritage, his personal rightousness (or lack therof) or his doctrine.

That's ultimately what will be their downfall. Jesus told his disciples The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it. And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them. And He's absolutely right- I mean, we all want to see him; but we know that his second coming will not be a gradual thing. He is coming like lighting. The Jews don't know that- they just know they want to see the messiah. They are like a teenage girl looking for a man with money, even if he's a drug dealing pimp that will prostitute her out. He's probably going to be the man of lawlessness.

The messianic Jews (jews that believe in Jesus) are essentially Christians- and they know better, so they're just looking for Jesus like we are. They're probably going to have some work to do when the "messiah" comes on the scene. Or they'll be the first ones to get killed.

In many sects of modern Judaism, the messianic age is thought to start in the Jewish year 6000, where it is now currently the year 5782. With 218 years to go, I don't suspect anyone currently alive from those religions expects to see the messiah in their lifetime.

I'm not as familiar with messianic Judaism, but I suspect it is not as Christian as you might think. Moslems believe that Jesus Christ was the messiah and will come again, but they do not believe in the occurance of the crucifixion or the deity of Christ. I suspect that many forms of messianic Judaism are much the same (not Christian) and likely resemble Islam more than Christianity.

There is fundamentally more to being Christian than merely accepting Jesus as messiah.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

all Scripture is relevant.

like 1st John, where John says " i write this to you so that you may not sin"

then, he goes on to say " if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ"

you have to apply both of those, not promote one and ignore the other.

i already had this arugment, just start reading the thread here ...and keep going https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...-messiah-is-coming.203677/page-9#post-4757629

 

[gb9]

nothing to argue about.

either you believe both things John said, or you don't.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Ask yourself why you won't read it ...could it be because you are protecting something?

atheists only want excuses to keep GOD out of their lives, so they construe what The Test is with satan's comforting lies.

babylon knows GOD is looking for His Children, so they make their own Garden of Eden definition of "good" and claim they will pass The Test.

satan tricks dead spirits into thinking they are Saved by causing society (worldliness) to promote twisted "good" works through pride. Helping other people is great, but you are not Saved by doing it without GOD'S Guidance.

satan said our eyes would be opened ..they opened to his will and closed to GOD'S. he said we wouldn't die ..when he represented death. he was saying we could make our own rules because GOD told us we would die ..and we did, spiritual blindness (death).

You pass The Garden of Eden Test by Choosing Life which is Answering with JESUS' Blood to be Reborn to His Image (Child of GOD). For The Kingdom Now and for Judgment.



You can't just say the words:

Matt 21:28-31
But what think ye? A certain man had two sons; and he came to the first, and said, Son, go work to day in my vineyard.
He answered and said, I will not: but afterward he repented, and went.
And he came to the second, and said likewise. And he answered and said, I go, sir: and went not.
Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Matthew 7:21-23
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

i wonder if dividing the sheep from the goats has anything to do which side of the veil you are on:

Matthew 25:31-34
When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

 

[pittsburghjoe]

nothing to argue about.

either you believe both things John said, or you don't.

Do you get what i'm saying to you? You bought satan's comforting lies so that you keep The HOLY SPIRIT Oil out of you.

A child of satan's kingdom has no idea they have chosen temptation to leave GOD'S Plan of LIFE ...for spiritual death. Get Reborn and see for yourself.

 

[gb9]

Do you get what i'm saying to you? You bought satan's comforting lies so that you keep The HOLY SPIRIT Oil out of you.

A child of satan's kingdom has no idea they have chosen temptation to leave GOD'S Plan of LIFE ...for spiritual death. Get Reborn and see for yourself.

i get what you are saying.

you are saying you do not sin.

that is a flat out lie, and i will not acknowledge that self-deception in any way.

all have sinned.

all means you,

 

[pittsburghjoe]

i get what you are saying.

you are saying you do not sin.

that is a flat out lie, and i will not acknowledge that self-deception in any way.

all have sinned.

all means you,

You are going to the same flames as the atheists.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

i think the problem is that you guys are not getting what sin actually is. "Missing the mark" means not being on the Narrow Path. sin is telling GOD that you would rather have satan's view of reality!

 

[Cyberm]

You are going to the same flames as the atheists.

i think the problem is that you guys are not getting what sin actually is. "Missing the mark" means not being on the Narrow Path. sin is telling GOD that you would rather have satan's view of reality!

There are multiple definitions of sin, and I don’t really mind how anyone puts it, but bottem line we can all agree that sin is simply disobedience to God. That’s it. Simple.