Do Jews still believe the Messiah is coming?

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Wait, wait, wait. We have derailed this thread horribly and NOW you admit that you sin?!
Just existing is sin. i don't physically sin. i'm begging you to stop looking for excuses and enter The Kingdom before it is too late. What makes you think you can enter It tomorrow if your are not a Citizen today?
 
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Romans 12: 1-2
I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
 
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and the thread isn't derailed because The Messianic Kingdom that the Jews want is what i'm screaming about ...being right now.
 
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Eating from the tree of knowledge is making your own definitions for sin …it is making your worldview without GOD’S Guidance.

People decide what good and evil should be without GOD, they think they can make the rules of how to pass this test.

Your spirit is your perception of reality …GOD makes that happen …so people need to stop asking GOD to leave their Temple.

Does anyone get what it takes to actually hold The Reborn Image that SAVES? What do you think satan is tempting you with? How can JESUS Represent you on The Cross unless you have His Image (Blood)?
 
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Right, our sins are covered and we're perfect in God's eyes if we repent. That doesn't mean we're perfectly sinless here on earth. Let's stick to the topic and not derail the thread.
Well, that's the whole problem ...what makes you think you are covered in The Blood of CHRIST? You don't just say you Believe ...you have to live it.

Do you think you are getting The HOLY SPIRIT Interpretation when you allow physical sin in your life? You don't have enough Oil to remain on the Plan of SALVATION.

i just want you to face what is going on. Being literal has become a poker tell that something isn't right. There is no sinner's prayer if you plan on doing the same sin again. Do you think your robe is white?

Blood is about Image. The Image that GOD Breathed into Adam.

JESUS had to defeat death without sin in His Blood for us to be able to use His Image. The SAVIOR Saves us via being Reborn into His Image. Fix the image Adam (you) broke.

Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood; and I have given it for you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement, by reason of the life.​
Spirit is in The Blood.

Exodus 30:10​
And Aaron shall make an atonement upon the horns of it once in a year with the blood of the sin offering of atonements: once in the year shall he make atonement upon it throughout your generations: it is most holy unto the LORD.
Blood pays for sin.

Do you read Adam and Eve as literal so that you can have an excuse? You had your own first sin, guess who you represent? You need someone that was able to live without sin in His Blood for you to be Saved and be someone GOD'S Presence can be welcomed in. It's how we can be Represented on The Cross ...and enter The Kingdom ...right now. OPEN THE DOOR by ceasing sin.

Rom 3:25​
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;​
GOD'S Love doesn't Save you ...His Presence does. Get Reborn. His Presence is in the Children that have His Image. GOD dwells among us in the Pillars of The Kingdom.

1 Peter 2:4-6​
To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,​
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.​
6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.​
Free Will is choosing Life or death …for eternity. You either want The Way to have GOD'S Presence (Life) ...or you want to be an animal (death).

Those that think they chose Life (without GOD) actually chose satan's life ...which is death.

Hebrews 10:19-20​
Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,​
By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;​


The Law of sin was GOD'S Plan to get us out of this situation that mankind put ourselves in (wanting our own plans/meaning). JESUS Fulfilled The Law (Pointed to JESUS as The Savior) which Handed us The Way ...The Plan of LIFE. The Plan is for us to be Reborn in His Justified Image to Pass Judgment. (Romans 3:19-28, Galatians 3:23-26)

We are told all along that this reality is a test of choosing LIFE or death.

Deuteronomy 30:19 (John 11:25-26)

"I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life"

Romans 6:23​
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.​
Using your own plan, path, and time is rebellion against GOD.

What do you think satan offered the fallen angels to get them to fall with him? it's the tree of knowledge in the Garden of Eden ...making your Plan instead of what GOD wanted.

Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

\||/ book of life ...those that made their Meaning of Life (while physically alive) to be LIFE through GOD. When you get Right with GOD, GOD Graces you with LIFE. You receive Understanding of the test.

To look at the big picture, it's GOD wanting people His Presence can be around.
 

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Just existing is sin. i don't physically sin. i'm begging you to stop looking for excuses and enter The Kingdom before it is too late. What makes you think you can enter It tomorrow if your are not a Citizen today?

" i do not physically sin".

that is all i need to see.

just another pride filled sinless perfectionist who sees everyone's sin, and refuses to see his own.
 
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" i do not physically sin".

that is all i need to see.

just another pride filled sinless perfectionist who sees everyone's sin, and refuses to see his own.
::sigh::

People hate it when Light is shined on their darkness.

The Fear of The LORD is to have wisdom to GOD'S set boundaries on Good and evil to keep you on the path of SALVATION.

Have you made your own definition of "pride" because you don't want it to be a sin? That is what eating from the tree of knowledge is about. To say you are a good person without GOD is to say you have pride. The prideful are blind to GOD'S Plan of LIFE.
 

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::sigh::

People hate it when Light is shined on their darkness.

You don't shine any light whatsoever. You make Amillennialism look like the terrible doctrine it is through your terrible behavior and clear hypocrisy. It's time for the ignore list for you.
 
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You don't shine any light whatsoever. You make Amillennialism look like the terrible doctrine it is through your terrible behavior and clear hypocrisy. It's time for the ignore list for you.
Right, hide the truth ...protect that sin.
 
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" i do not physically sin".

that is all i need to see.

just another pride filled sinless perfectionist who sees everyone's sin, and refuses to see his own.
And you are confusing "pride" with "Righteousness" ...you know ...that thing we are supposed to be to pass this test? i've already explained this in the thread, but you are just reaching for any excuse you can.
 
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Humans went from obvious idolatry with worshipping idols to worshipping themselves with self-idolatry.
 

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What was this thread about again? Oh, yeah- the Jews! Or "religious israelis' if you insist.

It seems to me the zionists vary. Some of them believe the messiah is "an idea" rather than a person. Some believe the messiah is a person and they are leaning on a broken covenant, and repeating the error of the first century Jews. Their "messiah" will be whoever gets their temple built- regardless of his heritage, his personal rightousness (or lack therof) or his doctrine.

That's ultimately what will be their downfall. Jesus told his disciples The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it. And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them. And He's absolutely right- I mean, we all want to see him; but we know that his second coming will not be a gradual thing. He is coming like lighting. The Jews don't know that- they just know they want to see the messiah. They are like a teenage girl looking for a man with money, even if he's a drug dealing pimp that will prostitute her out. He's probably going to be the man of lawlessness.

The messianic Jews (jews that believe in Jesus) are essentially Christians- and they know better, so they're just looking for Jesus like we are. They're probably going to have some work to do when the "messiah" comes on the scene. Or they'll be the first ones to get killed.
 
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What was this thread about again? Oh, yeah- the Jews! Or "religious israelis' if you insist.

It seems to me the zionists vary. Some of them believe the messiah is "an idea" rather than a person. Some believe the messiah is a person and they are leaning on a broken covenant, and repeating the error of the first century Jews. Their "messiah" will be whoever gets their temple built- regardless of his heritage, his personal rightousness (or lack therof) or his doctrine.

That's ultimately what will be their downfall. Jesus told his disciples The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it. And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them. And He's absolutely right- I mean, we all want to see him; but we know that his second coming will not be a gradual thing. He is coming like lighting. The Jews don't know that- they just know they want to see the messiah. They are like a teenage girl looking for a man with money, even if he's a drug dealing pimp that will prostitute her out. He's probably going to be the man of lawlessness.

The messianic Jews (jews that believe in Jesus) are essentially Christians- and they know better, so they're just looking for Jesus like we are. They're probably going to have some work to do when the "messiah" comes on the scene. Or they'll be the first ones to get killed.
Jews call anyone anointed a "messiah" ...they do this so that they can confuse what Daniel 9:24-27 is about. They don't want to face that their Scrolls told them when The MESSIAH was going to be showing up. They didn't want JESUS ...they wanted a beast king to make rome go away. That's not how this works. It is bananas to me that they don't question why GOD allowed 70 A.D. to happen ...oh, right ...the blindness. ...and uh GOD hasn't spoken to them for 2000 years ...so there is that red flag.

They don't have a High Priest ...or a way to Atone.


Flavius Josephus, The Wars of the Jews,
Wars 6.5.3

A heifer gave birth to a Lamb! ...do you get the symbolism?
The Eastern Gate opened by itself.
i think Josephus wrote this in 65 A.D.:

At the same festival also an heifer, as she was led by the High-priest to be sacrificed, brought forth a lamb, in the midst of the temple. Moreover the eastern gate of the inner [court of the] temple,9 which was of brass, and vastly heavy, and had been with difficulty shut by twenty men, and rested upon a basis armed with iron, and had bolts fastened very deep into the firm floor; which was there made of one intire stone: was seen to be opened of its own accord, about the sixth hour of the night.
 
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Jews today are fake, they have no way of upholding their end of The Covenant ...GOD did that on purpose. Everything was Fulfilled in CHRIST. They are all welcome to call out to JESUS ...their MESSIAH ...if they can figure out that He isn't a beast king.

Isn't it curious that JESUS said "see" The Kingdom ...what good is seeing The Kingdom if you expect it to be after His physical return? It obviously means to see The Kingdom right now.

John 3:3
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
 
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Put On the New Self

(Ephesians 4:)
9Do not lie to one another, since you have taken off the old self with its practices, 10and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator.

if someone had worked out their own salvation enough to overcome sin, then to tell others they sin would be a lie and would be wrong, unkind, not right, untruthful. it would not be something to hide from others but to let them know about.

those who are not working out their own salvation, i.e. - believe in following the narrow path and all that is good would have reasons to disbelieve this could ever be possible. and with good reason, having never had things properly explained to them with an open mind to learn and understand more things of God (1 Cor. 13:12, 1 Cor. 8:2).
 

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Humans went from obvious idolatry with worshipping idols to worshipping themselves with self-idolatry.

yep, self worship.

just like believing that one's self does not sin, just like you do,

that is self-idolatry.
 
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Colossians 3:10
10and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator.
That verse is mind blowing. It's the Reborn Holy Image i'm trying to get people to understand.

2 Timothy 1:10-11

But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.

  • Light through the Gospel for teaching?! Knowledge?
  • Is Light, God's Knowledge???

Deuteronomy 18:18
I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him. –

  • Christ is The Word. Light is perception, image, and knowledge from God/Bible. If you have light, you are a Child of God.



Isaiah 53:11​
He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.​

  • Christ’s Knowledge
Proverbs 2:5–6​
Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God.
For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding.​

Job 36:7
He withdraweth not his eyes from the righteous:

1 Corinthians 15:49
And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.


We need The Way so God's Spirit can witness our spirit for Righteousness.

God's Spirit witnesses we are no longer using carnal/reprobate knowledge to make choices that satan tempted us with (image of the beast).

God's Spirit witnesses a renewed spirit (alive) as forming to the Image of Christ.

Romans 1:22-23
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
 
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yep, self worship.

just like believing that one's self does not sin, just like you do,

that is self-idolatry.
Understand that any excuse you want is available to fail this test.


Romans 1:25
Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
 

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Understand that any excuse you want is available to fail this test.


Romans 1:25
Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

not making excuses, just being honest.

you are choosing to be dishonest and say you do not sin.

that is on you.