Do Jews Have a Divine Right in the Promised Land?

[zone]

and you have prove of this? If not, why would you even say such a thing of another human?

you said you had to sign in and point to your siggy, which says:

Where Does the Hate Come From

Quotes from Martin Luther
'On Jews and their Lies'


my comment was, such an obsession with Luther that its your sig...and you hang all hate on him...that would place him up there with the father of hate, the father of lies.

but maybe you weren't quite going THAT far this time.

 

[cfultz3]

you said you had to sign in and point to your siggy, which says:

Where Does the Hate Come From

Quotes from Martin Luther
'On Jews and their Lies'


my comment was, such an obsession with Luther that its your sig...and you hang all hate on him...that would place him up there with the father of hate, the father of lies.

but maybe you weren't quite going THAT far this time.

not quite......this time = are you implying something?

 

[TigerScent777]

...both Jew and Gentile are 'grafted in'...

Mat 21:43 "Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people, producing the fruit of it.

...once a person is a son or daughter of God, they are no longer a gentile or 'pagan'..., nor are they a 'Jew'... for their is neither Jew nor gentile before God...

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

 

[Graybeard]

if you care to, go back to the poster's ludicrous math...then find my post, which shows the 3 promises made to Israel were actually promises made to Christ.

all fulfilled.

Galatians 3:16
The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed," meaning one person, who is Christ.

and what's this? do you know?

does Paul tell anyone to look to earthly Jerusalem?
what does he say about it?


Galatians 4 c. 54 AD
Example of Hagar and Sarah
21Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. 23But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. 24Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. 25Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia;e she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. 27For it is written,

“Rejoice, O barren one who does not bear;
break forth and cry aloud, you who are not in labor!
For the children of the desolate one will be more
than those of the one who has a husband.”

28Now you,f brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now. 30But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.” 31So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.

It's not about what the poster posted, they might have their maths all wrong and such, but surely that does not define if ones a Christian or not is what I'm asking.

 

[zone]

It's not about what the poster posted, they might have their maths all wrong and such, but surely that does not define if ones a Christian or not is what I'm asking.

ok...i'll go get it.
we'll see if they just got their math wrong.

 

[zone]

I just let facts speak for themselves and they dont need 20,000 pages of theological persuasion. If you are following a theology which requires you to work extremely hard in "proving" it and you are finding other passages in Bible also need another 20,000 pages of writing to back that up, then its obvious its a false theology.


FACT: Jews have never really been a nation of believers and have always rebelled against God.
FACT : Babylon enslavement extended to 2520 years.
FACT: 1948 is the end of the 2520 years and Jews are allowed to rule their own lands again.
FACT : Prophecy is fufilled and the continuation of Gods Genesis covenant for the Jews continues.


Here are facts, plain simple and they speak for themselves, which is supported by Bible.
Using the argument that the Jews in Israel today are not believers in God therefore they are fake jews and Israel is not the Israel of Bible, is utterly foolish and ridiculous statement to make. Since when has the nation of Israel in Bible ever had a population which have been a nation of believers let alone completely committed to God? Jews today are simply doing what they have done since they were led out of Egypt.

Prophecy shows us the only time they will as a nation accept Christ is right at the last moment before the Beast and Flase Prophet finally destroy them all and Jesus shows up.

Jews have never been united as a nation believing in God. Even when Moses was up the mountain collecting 10 commandments, the Israelites were building altars and worshipping false gods, even thought they would have witnessed Gods miricles and judgements to remove them from slavery. This set the trend for rest of history.

Move on to Babylon enslavement, yet again the Jews angered God for disobedience and worship of false gods so God had the population enslaved as punishment. This ended when Persians under King Cyrus invaded Babylon. The Jews were told to go home, God expected them to build a temple, burn sacrifices and under go a period of repentance , but they did not do this. SO instead they are punished further, the initial enslavement under the Babylonians was extended 7 times which lasted 2520 years, we see how the Jews and theirs lands were continually under occupation for this period.

This leads us on to another fact, that Israel regained its self rule and its lands in 1948, which was right on time as the 2520 years had just ended.

Read Ezekiel chapter 4 and see Leviticus 26 for the punishments handed down being seven times the original.


Israel today is a thorn in many Christians side, as it challenges numerous theologies they have been taught and decided to follow. Many of these put Christians on a pedastool and elvate Christians and the church above Jews and above Isreal, which of course is rather good news to many Christians as it puts everyone at number one spot and those evil wicked Zionists along with the evil fake non-believer Jews can rot under their feet and in hell.

^ NONSENSE - ANTICHRIST TEACHING - JEWISH FABLES ^

^ CHRISTIAN ZIONISM - HERETICAL DOCTRINE ^



FACT: Israel was promised to become a great nation < ACCOMPLISHED IN EGYPT


Genesis 35:11
And God said to him, "I am God Almighty; be fruitful and increase in number. A nation and a community of nations will come from you, and kings will be among your descendants.

Genesis 47
26And Joseph made it a law over the land of Egypt to this day, that Pharaoh should have the fifth part, except the land of the priests only, which became not Pharaoh's. 27 And Israel dwelled in the land of Egypt, in the country of Goshen; and they had possessions therein, and grew, and multiplied exceedingly.

Exodus 1:7
but the Israelites were exceedingly fruitful; they multiplied greatly, increased in numbers and became so numerous that the land was filled with them.

Acts 7:17
"As the time drew near for God to fulfill his promise to Abraham, the number of our people in Egypt had greatly increased.



FACT: Israel possessed the land God promised:



Joshua 21:43-45
"So the LORD gave Israel all the land which He had sworn to give to their fathers, and they possessed it and lived in it. And the LORD gave them rest on every side, according to all that He had sworn to their fathers, and no one of all their enemies stood before them; the LORD gave all their enemies into their hand. Not one of the good promises which the LORD had made to the house of Israel failed; all came to pass. "

Joshua 23:14-15
"Now behold, today I am going the way of all the earth, and you know in all your hearts and in all your souls that not one word of all the good words which the LORD your God spoke concerning you has failed; all have been fulfilled for you, not one of them has failed. "It shall come about that just as all the good words which the LORD your God spoke to you have come upon you, so the LORD will bring upon you all the threats, until He has destroyed you from off this good land which the LORD your God has given you. "

Joshua 24:28
Then Joshua dismissed the people, each to his inheritance.

2 Samuel 8:3
David defeated Hadadezer...as he went to restore his rule at the River [Euphrates].

1 Kings 4:21
Now Solomon ruled over all the kingdoms from the [Euphrates] River to the land of the Philistines and to the border of Egypt; they brought tribute and served Solomon

2 Chronicles 9:26
And he was the ruler over all the kings from the Euphrates River even to the land of the Philistines, and as far as the border of Egypt.

Nehemiah 9:8
And Thou didst find Abraham's heart faithful before Thee, and didst make a covenant with him to give him the land of the Canaanite, of the Hittite and the Amorite, of the Perizzite, the Jebusite, and the Girgashite-- to give it to his descendants. And Thou hast fulfilled Thy promise, for Thou art righteous.

Jeremiah 11:5
"in order to confirm the oath which I swore to your forefathers, to give them a land flowing with milk and honey, as it is this day." Then I answered and said, "Amen, O LORD."

Ezekiel 20:42
And you will know that I am the LORD, when I bring you into the land of Israel, into the land which I swore to give to your forefathers.

Acts 7:17
But as the time of the promise was approaching which God had assured to Abraham, the people increased and multiplied in Egypt

Acts 13:19
And when He had destroyed seven nations in the land of Canaan, He distributed their land as an inheritance-- all of which took about four hundred and fifty years.



FACT: Babylonian Captivity lasted 70 years


Jeremiah 25:9-12
"I will summon all the peoples of the north and my servant Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon," declares the Lord, "and I will bring them against this land and its inhabitants and against all the surrounding nations. I will completely destroy them and make them an object of horror and scorn, and an everlasting ruin. I will banish from them the sounds of joy and gladness, the voices of bride and bridegroom, the sound of millstones and the light of the lamp. This whole country will become a desolate wasteland, and these nations will serve the king of Babylon seventy years. "But when the seventy years are fulfilled, I will punish the king of Babylon and his nation, the land of the Babylonians, for their guilt," declares the Lord, "and will make it desolate forever."



FACT: Babylonian Captivity ended (for those who cared to return) upon the decree of Cyrus in c. 538 B.C.



Jeremiah 29:10
This is what the Lord says: "When seventy years are completed for Babylon, I will come to you and fulfil my gracious promise to bring you back to this place."



FACT: - God kept His gracious promise - THE NEW COVENANT - given to them when BACK in their Land exactly as He promised - JESUS.


Jeremiah 31
31Behold, the days come, said the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they broke, although I was an husband to them, said the LORD: 33But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, said the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people

Romans 11:27
And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins."

2 Corinthians 3:3
You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.

1 Thessalonians 4:9
Now about your love for one another we do not need to write to you, for you yourselves have been taught by God to love each other.

Hebrews 8:10
This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel after that time, declares the Lord. I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.

2 Corinthians 3:6
He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant--not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Hebrews 8:8
But God found fault with the people and said: "The days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah.

Hebrews 10:16
This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds."

Hebrews 10:17
Then he adds: "Their sins and lawless acts I will remember no more."

Mark 14:24
"This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many," he said to them.

Luke 22:20
In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.

1 Corinthians 11:25
In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me."

here are the two posts together.
i assume you've checked the other poster's "math" and seen it is a complete fabrication.
if not, work on it, or let me know....or refer to The Book of Daniel.


DID GOD ACCOMPLISH WHAT HE PROMISED?


also, if you would, could you pay particular attention to this remark:

I just let facts speak for themselves


Israel today is a thorn in many Christians side, as it challenges numerous theologies they have been taught and decided to follow. Many of these put Christians on a pedastool and elvate Christians and the church above Jews and above Isreal, which of course is rather good news to many Christians as it puts everyone at number one spot and those evil wicked Zionists along with the evil fake non-believer Jews can rot under their feet and in hell.

so one glaring question would be, what did Jesus say about people who were not "Christians"?
is anyone who attempts to sideline or belittle Christ's Church (God's Salvation Plan) and place hostile unbelievers of any kindred tongue or nation at the center of God's Plan really a Christian?

(i'm sure you know what i am asking here, so i won't belabor it)

1 John 2:23
No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

John 8:19
Then they asked him, "Where is your father?" "You do not know me or my Father," Jesus replied. "If you knew me, you would know my Father also."

and so on.
thanks ever so much for clarifying what you did mean.
whatever it was.

 

[Graybeard]

here are the two posts together.
i assume you've checked the other poster's "math" and seen it is a complete fabrication.
if not, work on it, or let me know....or refer to The Book of Daniel.


DID GOD ACCOMPLISH WHAT HE PROMISED?


also, if you would, could you pay particular attention to this remark:




so one glaring question would be, what did Jesus say about people who were not "Christians"?
is anyone who attempts to sideline or belittle Christ's Church (God's Salvation Plan) and place hostile unbelievers of any kindred tongue or nation at the center of God's Plan really a Christian?

(i'm sure you know what i am asking here, so i won't belabor it)

1 John 2:23
No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

John 8:19
Then they asked him, "Where is your father?" "You do not know me or my Father," Jesus replied. "If you knew me, you would know my Father also."

and so on.
thanks ever so much for clarifying what you did mean.
whatever it was.

you really have made it an art to go off on a tangent..lol, and thanks for the condescending remark.

 

[Bistabuster]

hide it from you?
are you asleep?

Very rude.

I wasn't going to say anything but enough is enough. You hammer everybody on this forum and have been asked many times to stop behaving in such manner.

No, I did not know drett is a Muslim. As you have plainly forgotten, I'm new here. It takes a while to get to know who's who.

You, on the other hand, are in no position to teach anybody anything based upon your pure arrogance. I say this because you are not only rude and obnoxious to me, but also to drett and many others who don't agree with you. You are incapable of civilized conversations. If you are, show us all. I assure you this. If I had to rely on you to lead me to Jesus, I wouldn't come to Him based on your attitude.

Drett, if you are reading this, I would suggest you ignore this person. Will not do you much good but the choice is yours.

 

[zone]

you really have made it an art to go off on a tangent..lol, and thanks for the condescending remark.

what tangent greybeard?
go back and see you had questions and concerns.
i addressed them.
did you not really want to discuss them?
i'm willing.

 

[zone]

Very rude.

I wasn't going to say anything but enough is enough. You hammer everybody on this forum and have been asked many times to stop behaving in such manner.

No, I did not know drett is a Muslim. As you have plainly forgotten, I'm new here. It takes a while to get to know who's who.

You, on the other hand, are in no position to teach anybody anything based upon your pure arrogance. I say this because you are not only rude and obnoxious to me, but also to drett and many others who don't agree with you. You are incapable of civilized conversations. If you are, show us all. I assure you this. If I had to rely on you to lead me to Jesus, I wouldn't come to Him based on your attitude.

Drett, if you are reading this, I would suggest you ignore this person. Will not do you much good but the choice is yours.

you just go to their profile and see what it says

i assumed after so many lengthy discussions with the man, and all the click likes on posts made by Therapon's crew, you may have figured out why drett has been under fire by christian zionist "evangelists".

as for drett, he is quite intelligent and had made many good contributions here.
i'm certain he is able to decide for himself.

bye then.

 

[Bistabuster]

you just go to their profile and see what it says

i assumed after so many lengthy discussions with the man, and all the click likes on posts made by Therapon's crew, you may have figured out why drett has been under fire by christian zionist "evangelists".

as for drett, he is quite intelligent and had made many good contributions here.
i'm certain he is able to decide for himself.

bye then.

The real problem is you can't stay gone. You irritate everybody constantly. How many times do I need to tell you to stop harassing me? When will you understand my request and DO IT????

 

[zone]

The real problem is you can't stay gone. You irritate everybody constantly. How many times do I need to tell you to stop harassing me? When will you understand my request and DO IT????

you posted to me. i responded.
i'm happy to cease doing so, tho.


bye.
drett is my friend

 

[SarahM777]

The real problem is you can't stay gone. You irritate everybody constantly. How many times do I need to tell you to stop harassing me? When will you understand my request and DO IT????

I can testify to the fact that Zone does not irritate everybody. I for one appreciate her greatly. She has studied and learned far more then most,and she has a lot to give if one will listen to her honestly.

PS On the internet you don't have to respond to any one you don't want to.

 

[Bookends]

No other people have been displaced from their homeland for nearly 1900 years, kept their identity, persecuted wherever they went and returned to their homeland against all odds (all according to Scripture) and are still vehemently hated. It's all too much a coincidence not to be by Divine appointment.
I vote yes.

How you know it's not a devious dreamt up plan by Satan and man to deceive Christians and Jews (in which God only allows for some perhaps beyond our understanding). I say this because some Christians think that anyone of Jewish decent are auto-saved (John Hagee) and they don't need preached too. This doctrine teaches to the Jews that their A.O.K.

 

[zone]

not to mention what does it mean to keep one's jewish identity?

Judaism's definition of who is a jew is nothing like the Torah's.

yes, jews have been persecuted, and displaced. so have many people.

the rank and file have been especially persecuted and harmed by their very own Oral Traditions and the cruel task-masters who rule over them (Rabbis).

it has been in the interests of the Pharisees and modern day thought police (ADL etc) to stir up antisemitism- to keep track of it as though it were some giant swamp thing just waiting to consume the jews. keep it front and center - talk about hitler constantly. existential threats...

this irrational loathing and fear of jews that gentiles supposedly have built right in to them...no reason. just inexplicable. it's to be talked about constantly...and LAWS have to be put into place to make sure.....make sure WHAT?

in reality, there is a tiny cabal of very powerful gangsters (always has been) who bascially use the rank and file jews as human shields to cover their crimes. everybody (including jews) know this.

just look at Cherem. it's an internal pressure that keeps the Rabbis in control.

The sages of the Talmud see a direct link between themselves and the Pharisees, and historians generally consider Pharisaic Judaism to be the progenitor of Rabbinic Judaism, that is normative, mainstream Judaism after the destruction of the Second Temple. All mainstream forms of Judaism today consider themselves heirs of Rabbinic Judaism and, ultimately, the Pharisees.

Pharisees - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click

because of the perpetual criminality of the few, after being in good or reasonably good standing......collectively they have been expelled from:


YEAR . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .PLACE

250 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Carthage
415 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Alexandria
554 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Diocèse of Clermont (France)
561 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Diocèse of Uzès (France)
612 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visigoth Spain
642 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visigoth Empire
855 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Italy
876 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sens
1012 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mainz
1182 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France
1182 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Germany
1276 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Upper Bavaria
1290 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - England
1306 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France
1322 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France (again)
1348 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Switzerland
1349 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hielbronn (Germany)
1349 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Saxony
1349 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hungary
1360 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hungary
1370 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Belgium
1380 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Slovakia
1388 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Strasbourg
1394 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Germany
1394 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France
1420 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lyons
1421 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Austria
1424 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Fribourg
1424 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Zurich
1424 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Cologne
1432 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Savoy
1438 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mainz
1439 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Augsburg
1442 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Netherlands
1444 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Netherlands
1446 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bavaria
1453 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France
1453 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Breslau
1454 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wurzburg
1462 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mainz
1483 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mainz
1484 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Warsaw
1485 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Vincenza (Italy)
1492 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spain
1492 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Italy
1495 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lithuania
1496 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Naples
1496 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Portugal
1498 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Nuremberg
1498 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Navarre
1510 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brandenberg
1510 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prussia
1514 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Strasbourg
1515 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Genoa
1519 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Regensburg
1533 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Naples
1541 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Naples
1542 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prague & Bohemia
1550 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Genoa
1551 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bavaria
1555 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Pesaro
1557 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prague
1559 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Austria
1561 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prague
1567 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wurzburg
1569 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Papal States
1571 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brandenburg
1582 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Netherlands
1582 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hungary
1593 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brandenburg, Austria
1597 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Cremona, Pavia & Lodi
1614 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Frankfort
1615 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Worms
1619 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Kiev
1648 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Ukraine
1648 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Poland
1649 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hamburg
1654 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Little Russia (Beylorus)
1656 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lithuania
1669 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Oran (North Africa)
1669 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Vienna
1670 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Vienna
1712 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sandomir
1727 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Russia
1738 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wurtemburg
1740 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Little Russia (Beylorus)
1744 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prague, Bohemia
1744 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Slovakia
1744 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Livonia
1745 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Moravia
1753 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Kovad (Lithuania)
1761 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bordeaux
1772 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Deported to the Pale of Settlement (Poland/Russia)
1775 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Warsaw
1789 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Alsace
1804 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Villages in Russia
1808 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Villages & Countrysides (Russia)
1815 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lbeck & Bremen
1815 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Franconia, Swabia & Bavaria
1820 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bremen
1843 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Russian Border Austria & Prussia
1862 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Areas in the U.S. under General Grant's Jurisdiction[1]
1866 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Galatz, Romania
1880s - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Russia
1891 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Moscow
1919 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bavaria (foreign born Jews)
1938-45 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Nazi Controlled Areas
1948 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Arab Countries


are you suggesting God has outstanding promises to people who STILL hold to this (even if you could prove some actual blood line - which is absurd)?


The Oral Torah comprises the legal and interpretative traditions that, according to tradition, were transmitted orally from Mount Sinai, and were not written in the Torah. According to Rabbinic Judaism, the oral Torah, oral Law, or oral tradition (Hebrew: תורה שבעל פה, Torah she-be-`al peh) was given by God orally to Moses in conjunction with the written Torah (Hebrew: תורה שבכתב, Torah she-bi-khtav), after which it was passed down orally through the ages.[1][2] Later to be codified and written in the Talmud (Hebrew :תַּלְמוּד ). While other cultures and Jewish groups maintained oral traditions, only the Rabbis gave ideological significance to the fact that they transmitted their tradition orally.[3]

Rabbis of the Talmudic era conceived of the Oral Torah in two distinct ways. First, Rabbinic tradition conceived of the Oral Torah as an unbroken chain of transmission. The distinctive feature of this view was that Oral Torah was "conveyed by word of mouth and memorized."[4] Second, the Rabbis also conceived of the Oral Torah as an interpretive tradition, and not merely as memorized traditions. In this view, the written Torah was seen as containing many levels of interpretation. It was left to later generations, who were steeped in the oral tradition of interpretation to discover those ("hidden") interpretations not revealed by Moses.[5] According to many, the "oral Torah" was ultimately recorded in the Mishnah, the Talmud and Midrash. In his introduction to Mishneh Torah Maimonides provides a generation by generation account of the names of all those in the direct line that transmitted this tradition, beginning with Moses up until Ravina and Rav Ashi, the rabbis who compiled the Babylonian Talmud.
wiki

 

[Bistabuster]

I can testify to the fact that Zone does not irritate everybody. I for one appreciate her greatly. She has studied and learned far more then most,and she has a lot to give if one will listen to her honestly.

PS On the internet you don't have to respond to any one you don't want to.

As I said. I wasn't going to but I have asked zone at least twice not to harass me. Apparently zone keeps doing it.

I have no problem with people not agreeing with me. Goes with the territory. It's the way zone carries it. Zone is always right. She can speak her mind all she want about doctrine, right or wrong. Only problem I see and they are not even directed at me is the rudeness. Mostly towards other people than me probably because I haven't been here long.

 

[Drett]

I think we have well and truly established Jews do not have a divine right to the country.

1. The scriptures supporting Jews divine right have been misinterpreted. The calculation of the years in exile are all wrong.

2. There is the absence of regret and repentance in their sin of the rejection of Jesus teachings. We can see that in the disgusting references to Jesus in the Talmud.

My opinion is any future discussion on this would need to address these points directly.

 

[zone]

I think we have well and truly established Jews do not have a divine right to the country.

1. The scriptures supporting Jews divine right have been misinterpreted. The calculation of the years in exile are all wrong.

2. There is the absence of regret and repentance in their sin of the rejection of Jesus teachings. We can see that in the disgusting references to Jesus in the Talmud.

My opinion is any future discussion on this would need to address these points directly.

a-a-a-a-and. i would agree with that.

let's see if the topic stays focused then drett

~

i'll add as well, that NO ONE who rejects the Son of God will see eternal life.

no, they will stand before Him one day, and hear the sentence of the LAW against them, since they rejected His Gracious gift of forgiveness of sins, by faith in His substitutionary sacrifice.

ALL the Promises God made to Israel were fulfilled in Jesus Christ.
those same promises are open to all who repent of their sin and unbelief and confess Jesus is Lord.
gentiles and todays' jews.

all the same simple Gospel.

 

[SarahM777]

As I said. I wasn't going to but I have asked zone at least twice not to harass me. Apparently zone keeps doing it.

I'm sorry Bistabuster,

But after growing up in a family of six kids,too often this type of stuff sounds like "Mom,she's picking on me". UMM you can put someone on ignore if you want to,and there is nothing that says you even have to read their posts. It's not like someone can't do something their selves.

I have no problem with people not agreeing with me. Goes with the territory. It's the way zone carries it. Zone is always right. She can speak her mind all she want about doctrine, right or wrong. Only problem I see and they are not even directed at me is the rudeness. Mostly towards other people than me probably because I haven't been here long.

No you haven't been here long (I haven't been here that long either) Perhaps if one would take the time to listen to what she is saying,you would understand she loves the Lord with all her heart,she sees the falseness of a lot of things and she sees where it takes away the glory due only to God. And she will defend the faith for all she is worth. You may not like the way she comes across,but the question you need to ask yourself is does she speak the truth?

 

[Bistabuster]

I'm sorry Bistabuster,

But after growing up in a family of six kids,too often this type of stuff sounds like "Mom,she's picking on me". UMM you can put someone on ignore if you want to,and there is nothing that says you even have to read their posts. It's not like someone can't do something their selves.



No you haven't been here long (I haven't been here that long either) Perhaps if one would take the time to listen to what she is saying,you would understand she loves the Lord with all her heart,she sees the falseness of a lot of things and she sees where it takes away the glory due only to God. And she will defend the faith for all she is worth. You may not like the way she comes across,but the question you need to ask yourself is does she speak the truth?

That would be agreeable if respect towards others apply. I really don't care if any member is God! I know God doesn't treat people like that.

Isn't Jesus just like God? Did Jesus ever say to anyone (as an example) "man are you a dumass!" or anything unnecessary. If he had, on a regular basis, I would NEVER follow Him for I wouldn't care one bit if He was totally right!!! If you love someone, you wouldn't treat them as such!

Very frustrated right now. I feel this place is like a den of thieves for very good reasons. If you are Christian or Christ like, then act as such!!