Dietary laws, do you keep them?

[Webers.Home]

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but look at the animals that God provided for Noah and his family.

Noah was permitted to eat whatever he wanted.

"Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green
plants, I now give you everything. But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood
still in it." (Gen 9:3)

Christians are permitted to eat whatever they want.

"Everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with
thanksgiving, because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer." (1Tim 4:4-5)

Jews are not permitted eat whatever they want. (Leviticus chapter 11)
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[Webers.Home]

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● Rom 14:1-4 . . Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on
disputable matters. One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man,
whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. The man who eats everything must not
look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must
not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him.

● Rom 14:5 . . Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.

According to the above, it's okay for Christians to be conscientious objectors in matters
related to food; although for sure their faith needs improvement.
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[tedincarolina]

We have no indication that the proscription was based on ceremonial, or shadowy, issues. As far as we can determine, all of the forbidden categories are so classified because God wanted His people to be healthy and happy.

Hi @TMS

Just so long as you understand that while you claim that there is no indication that the proscription was based on ceremonial or 'shadowy' (whatever that is) issues, there is also no indication in the Scriptures that it was for health and happiness either. That's something that you've come up with in your own mind to address the issue.

However, as I said earlier, if it was for health and happiness reasons, then can you explain why God would allow Noah to eat all those unhealthy and unhappy foods. Did He not care for Noah, even though He had saved him and his family from certain destruction?

God bless you,
Ted

 

[Inquisitor]

We must be reading a different bible, because the Ten Commandments are all throughout.

God called them "My commandments" right in the Ten Exo 20:6

You might want to prayerfully consider reading Rom 7:7 James 2:10-12 Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 Mat 19:17-19 Mat 5:19-30 Rom 13:9, Rev 22:14-15 and so forth. There is no scripture that says we can break one of God's commandments- Jesus kept them and taught us to, so for me thats where I place my faith.

To whom were the ten commandments given?

Exodus 20:2
I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.

The text very early states that Israel was the recipient of the ten commandments.

Are you saying that the Romans were led out of Egypt by the Lord?

You also claim that you obey the law.

Romans 11:32
For God has shut up all in disobedience, so that He may show mercy to all.

Paul calls you a law breaker.

Yet you say that you obey the ten commandments?

Who did Paul say were guilty of disobedience?

You endlessly quote the literal ten commandments, the law.

Matthew 5:21-22
“You have heard that the ancients were told, ‘You shall not murder,’ and
‘Whoever commits murder shall be answerable to the court.’ But I say to you
that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be answerable to the court;
and whoever says to his brother, ‘You good-for-nothing,’ shall be answerable to
the supreme court; and whoever says, ‘You fool,’ shall be guilty enough to go
into the fiery hell.

Jesus was not using a literal reading of the ten commandments.

Call someone a fool and you are equivalent to a murderer, that's what Jesus said.

Do you follow a literal reading of Exodus 20, or do you follow what Jesus said
in Matthew 5?

 

[SabbathBlessing]

To whom were the ten commandments given?

Exodus 20:2
I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.

The text very early states that Israel was the recipient of the ten commandments.

Are you saying that the Romans were led out of Egypt by the Lord?

You also claim that you obey the law.

Romans 11:32
For God has shut up all in disobedience, so that He may show mercy to all.

Paul calls you a law breaker.

Yet you say that you obey the ten commandments?

Who did Paul say were guilty of disobedience?

You endlessly quote the literal ten commandments, the law.

Matthew 5:21-22
“You have heard that the ancients were told, ‘You shall not murder,’ and
‘Whoever commits murder shall be answerable to the court.’ But I say to you
that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be answerable to the court;
and whoever says to his brother, ‘You good-for-nothing,’ shall be answerable to
the supreme court; and whoever says, ‘You fool,’ shall be guilty enough to go
into the fiery hell.

Jesus was not using a literal reading of the ten commandments.

Call someone a fool and you are equivalent to a murderer, that's what Jesus said.

Do you follow a literal reading of Exodus 20, or do you follow what Jesus said
in Matthew 5?

God is the one who recused Israel- His Church from the bondage of Egypt - which represents sin. Just like He will recuse His people from our bondage of sin of this world. There are lots of parallels of the wilderness to where we are today Hebrews 3 and 4 speaks of this.

Jesus very much quoted the literal commandments for us to keep and we should never be in the position to speak for Jesus.. He does not need our help.

Matthew 19:17 So He said to him, [e]“Why do you call Me good? [f]No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

18 He said to Him, “Which ones?”

Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19 ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”

Jesus quoted directly from the Ten Commandments and the greatest commandment which is the Ten summarized Rom 13:9

Obviously the Ten Commandments is part of the law that is written in our heart because Jesus in His own Words said when we keep our rules over obeying the commandments of God, our hearts are far from Him, which is the opposite of the New Covenant- God's law written in our hearts Heb 8:10

Matthew 15:3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; (Right from the Ten Exo 20:12) and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father [a]or mother.’ Thus you have made the [b]commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

8 ‘These people [c]draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”

No wonder why Jesus taught not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments and in doing so one would be in fear of sin and Judgement Mat 5:19-30 We are told to live by every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God Mat 4:4. That’s where I place my faith. We can agree to disagree, I am okay with that, all gets straightened out soon enough, but I would prayerfully consider the teachings of Jesus- He didn’t just die to take the penalty of sin, He lived to show us the righteous way one lives and showed us the WAY by example, our example to follow Heb 4:15 1 John 2:6 1 Peter 2:21-22

 

[Inquisitor]

God is the one who recused Israel- His Church from the bondage of Egypt - which represents sin. Just like He will recuse His people from our bondage of sin of this world. There are lots of parallels of the wilderness to where we are today Hebrews 3 and 4 speaks of this.

Jesus very much quoted the literal commandments for us to keep and we should never be in the position to speak for Jesus.. He does not need our help.

Matthew 19:17 So He said to him, [e]“Why do you call Me good? [f]No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

18 He said to Him, “Which ones?”

Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19 ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”

Jesus quoted directly from the Ten Commandments and the greatest commandment which is the Ten summarized Rom 13:9

Obviously the Ten Commandments is part of the law that is written in our heart because Jesus in His own Words said when we keep our rules over obeying the commandments of God, our hearts are far from Him, which is the opposite of the New Covenant- God's law written in our hearts Heb 8:10

Matthew 15:3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; (Right from the Ten Exo 20:12) and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father [a]or mother.’ Thus you have made the [b]commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

8 ‘These people [c]draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”

No wonder why Jesus taught not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments and in doing so one would be in fear of sin and Judgement Mat 5:19-30 We are told to live by every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God Mat 4:4. That’s where I place my faith. We can agree to disagree, I am okay with that, all gets straightened out soon enough, but I would prayerfully consider the teachings of Jesus- He didn’t just die to take the penalty of sin, He lived to show us the righteous way one lives and showed us the WAY by example, our example to follow Heb 4:15 1 John 2:6 1 Peter 2:21-22

You refuse to listen to what Jesus taught.

Matthew 5:21-22
“You have heard that the ancients were told, ‘You shall not murder,’ and
‘Whoever commits murder shall be answerable to the court.’ But I say to you
that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be answerable to the court;
and whoever says to his brother, ‘You good-for-nothing,’ shall be answerable to
the supreme court; and whoever says, ‘You fool,’ shall be guilty enough to go
into the fiery hell.

Jesus was not using a literal reading of the ten commandments. That's a fact
and you cannot avoid that.

The literal reading of Exodus 20:2
I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.

The 10 commandments were given to the nation of Israel. That's what the text states.

Yet, you will apply an interpretation and then say that Israel was the church.

The problem is Exodus 20:2 does not say the "church", the text states "Israel".

You never quote verse 2 do you. You always quote some abbreviated version of the
ten commandments.

That's how you avoid what the text clearly states.

How else can you hold onto the law?

Paul says we are not under the law a number of times.

You will then interpret Paul's statements and say we are not under
the ceremonial law.

You alter the meaning of the text all the way through the scripture,
so you can place yourself under the law.

Your actually distorting the plain reading of the text.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

You refuse to listen to what Jesus taught.

Matthew 5:21-22
“You have heard that the ancients were told, ‘You shall not murder,’ and
‘Whoever commits murder shall be answerable to the court.’ But I say to you
that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be answerable to the court;
and whoever says to his brother, ‘You good-for-nothing,’ shall be answerable to
the supreme court; and whoever says, ‘You fool,’ shall be guilty enough to go
into the fiery hell.

Jesus was not using a literal reading of the ten commandments. That's a fact
and you cannot avoid that.

The literal reading of Exodus 20:2
I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.

The 10 commandments were given to the nation of Israel. That's what the text states.

Yet, you will apply an interpretation and then say that Israel was the church.

The problem is Exodus 20:2 does not say the "church", the text states "Israel".

You never quote verse 2 do you. You always quote some abbreviated version of the
ten commandments.

That's how you avoid what the text clearly states.

How else can you hold onto the law?

Paul says we are not under the law a number of times.

You will then interpret Paul's statements and say we are not under
the ceremonial law.

You alter the meaning of the text all the way through the scripture,
so you can place yourself under the law.

Your actually distorting the plain reading of the text.

Did you miss where Jesus said Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven;

And if you read the next verse v20 least means one won't be there.

Then Jesus went on a quoted two directly from the Ten Commandments and said not only should we not break the literal commandment of thou shalt not murder- but we also shouldn't even have thoughts in our hearts that leads to breaking the commandment. He didn't come to make the Ten Commandments smaller- He was making them greater

Breaking the least of these and Jesus gave two examples so we know which commandments He is referring to right from the Ten of the commandments because in doing so one would be in fear of sin and Judgement

19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.


21 “You have heard that it was said to those [d]of old, ‘You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’ 22 But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother [e]without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’[f] shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, [g]‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of [h]hell fire. 23 Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24 leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift. 25 Agree with your adversary quickly, while you are on the way with him, lest your adversary deliver you to the judge, the judge hand you over to the officer, and you be thrown into prison. 26 Assuredly, I say to you, you will by no means get out of there till you have paid the last penny.

27 “You have heard that it was said [i]to those of old, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to [j]sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to [k]sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.

Israel is a name God gave to represent His church. It was literal Israel- but anyone could be grafted in through faith (think Ruth) or removed (think Saul) but now it is Spiritual Israel that is God's church, no longer Jew or Gentile just those grafted in through faith Gal 3:26-28. Its why the New Covenant still has God's law written in our hearts still made to Israel Heb 8:10 and why its still a sin to break God's law even in the NC 1 John 3:4 Rom 7:7 James 2:10-12

You can make all kinds of accusations about me and that's fine it was predicted in scripture that those who keep God's commandments would targeted.

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Mans judgement means nothing to me, while man might win the war right now, they will not win the ultimate battle. I would consider all of the teachings of Jesus and the example He left for us. Did Jesus ever teach we can break God's commandments- He taught the opposite and lived them.

Take care

 

[Dino246]

Did you miss where Jesus said Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven;

To whom were these words spoken? Christians, or Israelites?

 

[SabbathBlessing]

This thread is abou

To whom were these words spoken? Christians, or Israelites?

I wouldn't fall into the trap that the teachings of Jesus is meant for 'other people', when we are told to live by His every Word. Mat 4:4 but we do have free will.

 

[Dino246]

This thread is abou

I wouldn't fall into the trap that the teachings of Jesus is meant for 'other people', when we are told to live by His every Word. Mat 4:4 but we do have free will.

Either we as Christians are under the whole law… or we are not under the law. There is no middle ground because Scripture doesn’t give us any.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Either we as Christians are under the whole law… or we are not under the law. There is no middle ground because Scripture doesn’t give us any.

What Christian is free to worship other gods?

 

[Dino246]

What Christian is free to worship other gods?

What Christian would want to? Don’t be foolish. As with every other issue, the Holy Spirit works from within to change the believer’s motivations away from sinful practices and toward holiness.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

What Christian would want to? Don’t be foolish. As with every other issue, the Holy Spirit works from within to change the believer’s motivations away from sinful practices and toward holiness.

So who makes that determination which laws the Holy Spirit works from within to change the motivations away from sinful practices and holiness. You claim it would be sinful to break this commandment- I agree, but what about other professed Christians who love money over obeying God but still believe in Jesus. Who determines what is right and wrong- which commandments are sinful to break which ones are not?

 

[Inquisitor]

So who makes that determination which laws the Holy Spirit works from within to change the motivations away from sinful practices and holiness. You claim it would be sinful to break this commandment- I agree, but what about other professed Christians who love money over obeying God but still believe in Jesus. Who determines what is right and wrong- which commandments are sinful to break which ones are not?

Well, that is the question we need to answer.

Here is a simple set of commands that Jesus gave, shown below, we all know
them well.

i) We know that we can't love God and money.

ii) We also know we can't love God and the world.

iii) It is also a fact that we need to bear the fruit of the Holy Spirit.

None of the warnings above are mentioned in the law and they are not even thought of as commandments.

Yet Jesus singled these three out and so did Paul.

All three are fatal if transgressed.

There can be no doubt that historical Christianity never really dealt with these
warnings. They never appear in any church doctrines.

I don't think that these three can be thought of as commandments?

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Well, that is the question we need to answer.

Here is a simple set of commands that Jesus gave, shown below, we all know
them well.

i) We know that we can't love God and money.

ii) We also know we can't love God and the world.

iii) It is also a fact that we need to bear the fruit of the Holy Spirit.

None of the warnings above are mentioned in the law and they are not even thought of as commandments.

Yet Jesus singled these three out and so did Paul.

All three are fatal if transgressed.

There can be no doubt that historical Christianity never really dealt with these
warnings. They never appear in any church doctrines.

I don't think that these three can be thought of as commandments?

I thought according to Dino (you liked his post so assuming you agreed with him,) that the teachings of Jesus were not meant for us but for Israel. So do we just pick the laws we want that Jesus taught and ignore His teachings on the laws we don't want to keep? Jesus taught on much more than what you stated. I quoted some of His teachings but sadly, they were rejected as they were for 'other people' and not Words we are to live by, despite what the scriptures state Mat 4:4

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Well, that is the question we need to answer.

Here is a simple set of commands that Jesus gave, shown below, we all know
them well.

i) We know that we can't love God and money.

ii) We also know we can't love God and the world.

iii) It is also a fact that we need to bear the fruit of the Holy Spirit.

None of the warnings above are mentioned in the law and they are not even thought of as commandments.

Yet Jesus singled these three out and so did Paul.

All three are fatal if transgressed.

There can be no doubt that historical Christianity never really dealt with these
warnings. They never appear in any church doctrines.

I don't think that these three can be thought of as commandments?

Also, the fruit of the spirits violates no commandments. God's Spirit and God's law are not at odds with each other but work in harmony.

His Spirit is the one who enables to keep His commandments, but its conditional on our love to God. Love to God and man in scripture does not go undefined 1 John 5:2-3 Exo 20:6

John 14:15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another [e]Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

 

[posthuman]

Its the Word you are denying.

You? Its a Twinkie?
For kids... not adults.

Adam's body was created from the elements of the earth.
We need to replenish those elements in ours with what we eat.

Wait - -

- - are twinkies® made from the elements of other planets??

 

[Dino246]

So who makes that determination which laws the Holy Spirit works from within to change the motivations away from sinful practices and holiness.

He does. Is this news to you?

You claim it would be sinful to break this commandment

No, I didn't.

but what about other professed Christians who love money over obeying God but still believe in Jesus.

Is it your place to judge? Do you pray for them?

Who determines what is right and wrong- which commandments are sinful to break which ones are not?

The Holy Spirit determines what is right and wrong, and as for commandments, He guides us to keep Jesus' commandments, not Moses'.

 

[Genez]

Wait - -

- - are twinkies® made from the elements of other planets??

It does not say that the Lord took all the elements of the earth to make Adam's body.

Lead, cadmium, mercury, and arsenic are also elements from the earth....
God wisely chose the needed elements for human function.


I was not looking for what Dr. Berg said about Twinkies when I found the following video...
He explains that not all things found on earth were intended for 'food.'
What God puts in food is what is good for us.
What man may add to food is not the same thing...

 

[SabbathBlessing]

He does. Is this news to you?


No, I didn't.


Is it your place to judge? Do you pray for them?


The Holy Spirit determines what is right and wrong, and as for commandments, He guides us to keep Jesus' commandments, not Moses'.

The greatest commandments came from law of Moses- love God with all our heart Deut 6:5 Love our neighbor Lev 19:18 which is the Ten summarized Rom 13:9

The Ten Commandments are never called the law of Moses- God is the one who personally wrote them Exo 31:18 Exo 32:16 and claims them as His own right in the Ten Commandments

Exodus 20:6 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me (God) and keep My (God) commandments.

Moses is not Jesus.

Jesus never called them the commandments of Moses- but the commandments of God Mat 15:3-14

Let’s give glory to God’s work- Moses didn't even take credit for them because he was the creation and God is the Creator

Exo 32:16 Now the tablets were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God engraved on the tablets.

There is no Greater Authority than God. God’s Spirit is not working against Gods law. God’s law is what defines sin 1 John 3:4 Rom 7:7 James 2:10-12 May 5:19-30 His Spirit convicts us for breaking His law John 16:8 if we have not harden our hearts to hearing His voice Heb 3:7-8 and His Spirit enables us to keep His commandments through our love and faith Rom 3:31 1 John 5:3 John 14:15-18 Exo 20:6