Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

[KJV1611]

No, You see a "rule book" is for those who won't do it any other way. I don't need a rule book to tell my chickens to eat or look for bugs or poop EVERYWHERE!

The acts of obedience comes from a willing heart. Once the Law is written on the heart they become a desire. The 'rule book" turns into a "love letter"! Sounds Nerdy, but it is true brother. There is a place where sin is no longer of any interest. This takes a proactive choice on our part to continue to deny the flesh.

But this again goes to the heart, to surrendering to the Holy Spirits guidance, to denying the flesh. Part of denying the flesh is studying the Word. Definitely proactive, otherwise why not give us all a lobotomy and program obedience. I'm being silly, but just to make a point.

Our Heavenly Father wants to observe our choices. A programmed vessel cannot "love" God. As I have said many times God desires our Love like any Father does, but He only recognizes one form of Love and that is obedience. He even gives us the means to be obedient, bu putting His Laws in our hearts.

SG

Do you currently obey each and every commandment flawlessly?
Or are you like most and you love those laws and wish that you could obey them?

 

[Marcelo]

How is his plan of salvation different than mine? I do not have my own plan by the way.

You believe that people who don't keep the Law of Moses are lawless and therefore will not be saved.

 

[SimpleGardner]

Are you thinking that keeping the commandments means obeying them like a rule book?
In other words the woman and her seed in Rev 12:17 perfectly obeyed the ten commandments?
Just getting your view of what KEEPING the commandments means.

I should add one more thing, even Israel found much safety and blessing under the Mosaic laws, but they forsook it! They loved the blessing more that the source of that blessing.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

What do think Paul means by I die daily? I think he means that he does the will of God rather than his own will. If God says go to Rome, he goes to Rome for example.

Yes by faith he Is going to do the will of GOD and already he knows he will not make provision for the flesh and If someone gives to his physical needs GOD will be glorified.

 

[SimpleGardner]

Do you currently obey each and every commandment flawlessly?
Or are you like most and you love those laws and wish that you could obey them?

I think it's a dangerous place to compare yourself with others. You will always be better than others which leads to pride and always be worse than others which can be discouraging.

But in either case we are all subject to our choices and how much of Gods Grace in receiving the Holy Spirits movement within us and yielding to it.

I still like the white dog black dog analogy.

When any man accepts the Love of God into their hearts sin does become a seriously diminished issue.

 

[KJV1611]

I think it's a dangerous place to compare yourself with others. You will always be better than others which leads to pride and always be worse than others which can be discouraging.

But in either case we are all subject to our choices and how much of Gods Grace in receiving the Holy Spirits movement within us and yielding to it.

I still like the white dog black dog analogy.

When any man accepts the Love of God into their hearts sin does become a seriously diminished issue.

Point is that we all would like to obey all of the commandments but the truth is that we can't do it.... at least I don't know of anyone who can do it.

And that is the point I was making about Revelation. Keeping the commandments of God doesn't mean that they obeyed them (we can't), it means that they reverence them and held them up to be special in their hearts.

 

[SimpleGardner]

Point is that we all would like to obey all of the commandments but the truth is that we can't do it.... at least I don't know of anyone who can do it.

And that is the point I was making about Revelation. Keeping the commandments of God doesn't mean that they obeyed them (we can't), it means that they reverence them and held them up to be special in their hearts.

Parable of the sower hits many of the reasons why people have regrest of not "entering in" to the "rest" of the Lord.

 

[KJV1611]

Parable of the sower hits many of the reasons why people have regrest of not "entering in" to the "rest" of the Lord.

His rest is wonderful for sure!
Are we in agreement that keeping the commandments doesn't mean obeying them?

 

[SimpleGardner]

His rest is wonderful for sure!
Are we in agreement that keeping the commandments doesn't mean obeying them?

Is that what you think the following meant?

Luk 1:5-6 KJV There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. (6) And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.


Gen 26:5 KJV Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

If so what does "keep" mean to you?

 

[KJV1611]

Is that what you think the following meant?

Luk 1:5-6 KJV There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. (6) And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.


Gen 26:5 KJV Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

If so what does "keep" mean to you?

Luk 1:20 And, behold, thou shalt be dumb, and not able to speak, until the day that these things shall be performed, because thou believest not my words, which shall be fulfilled in their season.

Does that sound like Zacharias obeyed the ten commandments, his statutes and laws? It doesn't to me lol. He didn't have enough faith to believe an angel from God standing right in front of him.

 

[Jackson123]

By the way. Law of Moses is a term for law of God for old testament. Moses do not have the right to make a law.

For Example



Rule about animal sacrifice. It is God tell Moses what to do, that law create by God. Not by moses

People call This law of God as Moses law

 

[SimpleGardner]

By the way. Law of Moses is a term for law of God for old testament. Moses do not have the right to make a law.

For Example



Rule about animal sacrifice. It is God tell Moses what to do, that law create by God. Not by moses

People call This law of God as Moses law

The Ten Commandments on Tablets of stone inside the ark, the Book of the Law along side the outside of the Ark

 

[Jackson123]

The Ten Commandments on Tablets of stone inside the ark, the Book of the Law along side the outside of the Ark

Yep, and the ten commandments is directly wrote by God, not moses

 

[Jackson123]

Luk 1:20 And, behold, thou shalt be dumb, and not able to speak, until the day that these things shall be performed, because thou believest not my words, which shall be fulfilled in their season.

Does that sound like Zacharias obeyed the ten commandments, his statutes and laws? It doesn't to me lol. He didn't have enough faith to believe an angel from God standing right in front of him.

He may think It just hallucination, If he know that is real angle from the Lord, I think he believe it

 

[SimpleGardner]

Luk 1:20 And, behold, thou shalt be dumb, and not able to speak, until the day that these things shall be performed, because thou believest not my words, which shall be fulfilled in their season.

Does that sound like Zacharias obeyed the ten commandments, his statutes and laws? It doesn't to me lol. He didn't have enough faith to believe an angel from God standing right in front of him.

I think when the scripture goes as far as to leave us words of praise for the likes of Abraham and Zacharias it should be a hint that we should not dishonor their memory...

 

[KJV1611]

He may think It just hallucination, If he know that is real angle from the Lord, I think he believe it

I wonder why Mary didn't see it as an hallucination lol. Maybe Zach told her about it.

 

[Jackson123]

I wonder why Mary didn't see it as an hallucination lol. Maybe Zach told her about it.

Every body is different. If a professor see an angle, more likely he think he is hallucination, because not in the university text book.

Ordinary people like me believe It is angle.

I use to have a friend, she was old and have mental problem, some time she Said, she meet her friend who is death. I know It is hallucination.

But for Zack It is real angel

 

[KJV1611]

I think when the scripture goes as far as to leave us words of praise for the likes of Abraham and Zacharias it should be a hint that we should not dishonor their memory...

I think what you're missing is that Zacharias and Abraham were no different than we are. They couldn't obey the ten commandments and they were flawed sinners just like us.

The bible is actually teaching this through the verses you posted. Yes they were considered righteous and walking in God's law etc. That doesn't mean they were perfect and could obey, they were righteous through the righteousness of Christ and they loved the law. That's what keeping the law means.

 

[Grandpa]

So then you don't think a Christian would be under the curse of the law for obeying certain laws you and the Holy Spirit deem are reasonable?

Correction;

I don't think a Christian would be under the curse of the law for obeying "laws" that the Holy Spirit and the Apostles deemed reasonable. Which were enumerated in Acts 15. Specifically.

 

[lightbearer]

that doesn't say you can't eat anything that has been waved before an altar.

the situation is that the markets were full of vendors who sold meat. most of these were pagans, and much of the meat had been waved before some idol or another.

if this is Exodus 34, then the Gentile church was supposed to be smashing up the marketplace, tearing down all the delis and butcher shops? or is scripture no longer literal?


not eating blood and refraining from sexual immorality are clearly consistent with direct injunctions in Torah.
is not eating strangled things in Torah?
is not eating meat that had been waved before an idol in Torah?

i'm not asking for what's in Talmud. that's what your reply is -- that it is in some interpretation of something that doesn't actually say it.
what is actually in Torah ?

Exodus 34 is of the Torah, the first 5 books of the Hebrew Bible, the Pentateuch.

Observe thou that which I command thee this day: behold, I drive out before thee the Amorite, and the Canaanite, and the Hittite, and the Perizzite, and the Hivite, and the Jebusite. Take heed to thyself, lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land whither thou goest, lest it be for a snare in the midst of thee: But ye shall destroy their altars, break their images, and cut down their groves: For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God: Lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, and they go a whoring after their gods, and do sacrifice unto their gods, and one call thee, and thou eat of his sacrifice;
(Exo 34:11-15 KJV)

In regards to things strangled.

Bullinger writes in his work: strangled. Greek. pniktot. Only here, Act_15:29; Act_21:25. The verb pnigo occurs Mat_18:28. Mar_5:13. In this case the blood remained in the carcase, contrary to Lev_17:10-14.

Vincent writes in his word studies, The flesh of animals killed in snares, and whose blood was not poured forth, was forbidden to the Israelites.

why do they need to be told not to eat blood if it is assumed that they already hear 'do not eat blood' preached in every synagogue every sabbath?

They won't hear all of Moses every Sabbath. That takes time and discernment. Hospitality was prevalent. To bring and share food on Sabbath and other days in communion with one another was a common practice, then as it is now. To bring meats that were not properly prepared would have directly affected and offended all that knew better. Besides that, your reasoning does not take away what was shared in regards to context and sentence structure.




Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. For (BECAUSE) Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach (teach) him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
(Act 15:19-21 KJV)

There are a few things note worthy in verse 21.

Moses (the Book of the Law, Pentateuch) is still preached, taught in the synagogues where the Household of God meet every Sabbath. And because they do meet every Sabbath in the synagogues they, the gentiles will hear Moses (the Book of the Law, Pentateuch) So we will write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. For (BECAUSE) Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach (teach) him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day when they come together in communion and worship.