Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?
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Do you believe that these robes in these verses are cotton/polyester blend?
Revelation 6
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
Revelation 7
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
I betcha do doncha?
And, if you don't?
Why should unmixed materials matter so much back in the days of Moses, and matter in the Kingdom to come. And not matter during these days?
Love covers a multitude of sin/s. INCLUDING the sin/s of not adhering to the "conditions" of the "Mosaic Agreement."
But, it don't cover EVERY "sin!"
Do you believe that these robes in these verses are cotton/polyester blend?
Revelation 6
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
Revelation 7
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
I betcha do doncha?
And, if you don't?
Why should unmixed materials matter so much back in the days of Moses, and matter in the Kingdom to come. And not matter during these days?
Love covers a multitude of sin/s. INCLUDING the sin/s of not adhering to the "conditions" of the "Mosaic Agreement."
But, it don't cover EVERY "sin!"
just like I don't think there is actually a large lady who is sitting on seven hills.
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Almost all of the NT is rooted in the intricacies of the history of the OT. Without a working knowledge of these we can draw conclusions that miss the mark.
Even much of the OT relies upon other OT details to even come close to understanding what is going on.
I am convinced that God created our minds with the intent that our Faith and Spiritual wellness would be dependent upon our applying the logic and reasoning faculties He gave us. We must seek Him out!
For example; How would ;
Gen 9:22 KJV And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.
relate to;
Lev 18:8 KJV The nakedness of thy father's wife shalt thou not uncover: it is thy father's nakedness.
and;
Lev 20:11 KJV And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
?
All of scripture, inspired by higher thinking beings than us, insists that we use the faculties given to us rather than accepting what other men have written down.
Getting off my soap box...
SG
Even much of the OT relies upon other OT details to even come close to understanding what is going on.
I am convinced that God created our minds with the intent that our Faith and Spiritual wellness would be dependent upon our applying the logic and reasoning faculties He gave us. We must seek Him out!
For example; How would ;
Gen 9:22 KJV And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.
relate to;
Lev 18:8 KJV The nakedness of thy father's wife shalt thou not uncover: it is thy father's nakedness.
and;
Lev 20:11 KJV And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
?
All of scripture, inspired by higher thinking beings than us, insists that we use the faculties given to us rather than accepting what other men have written down.
Getting off my soap box...
SG
The law can ONLY curse you, that was its intended purpose. To lead you to christ.
DeighAnn, may I ask you... what is your perspective on the usage of the word "restore," here (I bolded it in your post ^ )… is it your understanding that the person in need of this "restore" is one who has lost salvation [or perhaps even forfeited salvation, as some believe is possible (note to readers: not my view [regarding either of these two things as being possible])] and needs brought back to it? Or no? Something other than this? (Like, perhaps someone whose never even been saved yet? [I'm just trying to ascertain your view of what is being conveyed by this use of "restore" here]) … Just wondering.
[EDIT: perhaps I was thinking I was in a different thread, with a different OP title... my apologies]
[EDIT: perhaps I was thinking I was in a different thread, with a different OP title... my apologies]
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I honestly don't know...Please tell me.
I'm reminded of that verse on love that says something about sounding and tinkling...which one it that?
SG
I'm reminded of that verse on love that says something about sounding and tinkling...which one it that?
SG
Is not the power of our love his love?
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What! You don't think God has abandoned Homo-Sapiens and is going with Sheep and Goats?! C'mon!
Daniel 2: 44. In the days of those kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed, nor shall its sovereignty be left to another people; but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever.
in the days of those kings a kingdom was not set up that smashed the other kingdoms. And Nebuchadnezzar didn't rule over the whole world, people in China probably hadn't even heard of him.
To go along with my Posts #2932, #2933, #2934... both Romans 10:19 and Deuteronomy 32:21 use "a foolish nation [SINGULAR]"... and I point this out because I see a clear distinction between what is being said here in Rom10:19 [Deut32:21] and Romans 11:25 ["the fulness of the Gentiles"] from that which we see in Revelation 7:9 "a great multitude... of all the nations [plural]". There was a time when I wondered if "the fulness of the Gentiles" had to come at the later time period of the Rev7 context ("coming out of the great tribulation" [which I believe is the entire 2nd half of the future 7-yr trib, leading up to His Second Coming to the earth]), because Gentiles are still being saved then/at that time/at that point in the chronology... but then I realized that "UNTIL 'the fulness of the Gentiles' BE COME IN [G1525]" (and in view of the Rom9-11 context being "nations": "Israel [singular nation]" and "the Gentiles [plural nations]"; and "the Olive Tree"="God's governmental ways upon the earth") refers to a specific time period (once that is "fulfilled"... the "purpose realized"... "______[EDIT: content got nixed when I was prevented from posting... will try to edit to add the rest... (see below)]).
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NOTE: I blv the phrase "the FULNESS of the Gentiles" is distinct from "the TIMES of the Gentiles" which refers to that which started in 606bc, re: Neb's statue/image (with Neb as "head of gold"), referring to "Gentile domination over Israel," and which will run to the end of the trib at the time of Jesus' Second Coming to the earth, FOR the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom (per Lk21:24b/Rev11:2)
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NOTE: I blv the phrase "the FULNESS of the Gentiles" is distinct from "the TIMES of the Gentiles" which refers to that which started in 606bc, re: Neb's statue/image (with Neb as "head of gold"), referring to "Gentile domination over Israel," and which will run to the end of the trib at the time of Jesus' Second Coming to the earth, FOR the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom (per Lk21:24b/Rev11:2)
Galatians 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
Obviously not.
Galatians 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
The question really becomes if you are still placing yourself under the weak and beggarly elements where you desire to be in bondage, have you EVER known God? Did you EVER come to the Lord Jesus to receive Rest from your work at the law?
If you had, what is the cause of your thinking that your work and understanding at the law is better than the Lords Work in you?
What is the cause of you thinking that it is the 10 commandments that are written in your heart and mind instead of the law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus?
Is it just to fool people in order to initiate them into your religion?
Or do you truly just not know any better?
I assume the latter. I assume that 2 Corinthians 3 is in full effect and those who read the OT and don't understand what Christ has done and is doing for and in us still have the vail fully over their minds thinking that there is no way to receive Rest from working at the law.
Especially when the grave error is made that the Law of Moses is Gods Law. It certainly is NOT Gods Law. The Law of Moses is Commandments, commanding you to keep Gods Spiritual Law. Which in essence Commands this;
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
IF there could have been laws given that could have been the cause of your perfection then there would have been no need for Christ.
Obviously not.
Galatians 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
The question really becomes if you are still placing yourself under the weak and beggarly elements where you desire to be in bondage, have you EVER known God? Did you EVER come to the Lord Jesus to receive Rest from your work at the law?
If you had, what is the cause of your thinking that your work and understanding at the law is better than the Lords Work in you?
What is the cause of you thinking that it is the 10 commandments that are written in your heart and mind instead of the law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus?
Is it just to fool people in order to initiate them into your religion?
Or do you truly just not know any better?
I assume the latter. I assume that 2 Corinthians 3 is in full effect and those who read the OT and don't understand what Christ has done and is doing for and in us still have the vail fully over their minds thinking that there is no way to receive Rest from working at the law.
Especially when the grave error is made that the Law of Moses is Gods Law. It certainly is NOT Gods Law. The Law of Moses is Commandments, commanding you to keep Gods Spiritual Law. Which in essence Commands this;
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
IF there could have been laws given that could have been the cause of your perfection then there would have been no need for Christ.
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^ EDIT TO ADD to my post: [lost the middle section of my content]
….So, what we are seeing in Matt24:14/26:13; Dan12:1-4 [distinct from v.13]; Matt25:40; Rev7:3 [1:1 at the time of the 4:1/1:19c FUTURE aspects of the Book]; Matt22:8-14; Rev19:9 [distinct from v.7]; etc, is Israel doing the "INVITING" (OF the "Gentiles/nations [plural]") TO their promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom... this, after the "blindness... UNTIL" has been lifted [referring to the BELIEVING remnant of Israel IN the trib years [having come to faith WITHIN the trib years, FOLLOWING our Rapture/Departure]). They are not (in these contexts) being "provoked"...
….So, what we are seeing in Matt24:14/26:13; Dan12:1-4 [distinct from v.13]; Matt25:40; Rev7:3 [1:1 at the time of the 4:1/1:19c FUTURE aspects of the Book]; Matt22:8-14; Rev19:9 [distinct from v.7]; etc, is Israel doing the "INVITING" (OF the "Gentiles/nations [plural]") TO their promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom... this, after the "blindness... UNTIL" has been lifted [referring to the BELIEVING remnant of Israel IN the trib years [having come to faith WITHIN the trib years, FOLLOWING our Rapture/Departure]). They are not (in these contexts) being "provoked"...