Did Jesus died on Good Friday and rise Sunday, first day of the week?

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You are mistaken.

Jesus was buried on the preparation day before the Sabbath.

Luke 23:53-54
and laid Him in a tomb cut into the rock, where no one had ever lain. It was a preparation day, and a Sabbath was about to begin.

Please note: This verse above does not mention an annual sabbath day, just a sabbath day.

If you have scripture to support the idea, that an annual sabbath day also has a preparation day, then I would be glad to see that.
"And IT WAS THE PREPARATION OF THE PASSOVER, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King! " (John 19:14)
 
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"And IT WAS THE PREPARATION OF THE PASSOVER, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King! " (John 19:14)
That Preparation Day WAS the Passover, next day was Sabbath. "I was the Preparation Day, that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day)". - John 19:31
 
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That Preparation Day WAS the Passover, next day was Sabbath. "I was the Preparation Day, that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day)". - John 19:31
True, but that's the point.

We read:

Leviticus chapter 23

[4] These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.
[5] In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD's passover.
[6] And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
[7] In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.

Why was the day of the Passover a preparation day?

Because the next day, the fifteenth day of the month, began the feast of unleavened bread, and "in the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: YE SHALL DO NO SERVILE WORK THEREIN".

In other words, the first day of the feast of unleavened bread was A SABBATH.

This, in my understanding, is why John made the necessary distinction of saying (for that Sabbath was a high day).

In other words, there were TWO sabbaths during that week.

The weekly sabbath on Saturday, AND the sabbath associated with the feast of unleavened bread.
 
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True, but that's the point.

We read:

Leviticus chapter 23

[4] These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.
[5] In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD's passover.
[6] And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
[7] In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.

Why was the day of the Passover a preparation day?

Because the next day, the fifteenth day of the month, began the feast of unleavened bread, and "in the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: YE SHALL DO NO SERVILE WORK THEREIN".

In other words, the first day of the feast of unleavened bread was A SABBATH.

This, in my understanding, is why John made the necessary distinction of saying (for that Sabbath was a high day).

In other words, there were TWO sabbaths during that week.

The weekly sabbath on Saturday, AND the sabbath associated with the feast of unleavened bread.
Yes, Unleavened Bread is supposed to be on the 15th day of the month, the day after Passover. But for some reason, it was moved to the day BEFORE the Passover. See my post #13.
 
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Yes, Unleavened Bread is supposed to be on the 15th day of the month, the day after Passover. But for some reason, it was moved to the day BEFORE the Passover. See my post #13.
It wasn't really moved.

Because the feast of Passover immediately preceded the feast of Unleavened Bread, the two were often combined as if it was one eight day feast.

We see an example of this in the writings of the Jewish historian, Flavius Josephus.

You'll need to scroll down to chapter 15 after following this link to see what I've quoted:

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/josephus/ant-2.html

Chapter 15.

How the Hebrews, under the conduct of Moses, left Egypt.

1. [An. 1532] So the Hebrews went out of Egypt; while the Egyptians wept, and repented that they had treated them so hardly. Now they took their journey by Letopolis, a place at that time deserted; but where Babylon was built afterward, when Cambyses laid Egypt waste. But as they went away hastily, on the third day, they came to a place called Baalzephon, on the Red Sea. And when they had no food out of the land, because it was a desert, they eat of loaves, kneaded of flower, only warmed by a gentle heat: and this food they made use of for thirty days: for what they brought with them out of Egypt, would not suffice them any longer time; and this only while they dispensed it to each person, to use so much only as would serve for necessity, but not for satiety. Whence it is, that, in memory of the want we were then in, WE KEEP A FEAST FOR EIGHT DAYS; WHICH IS CALLED THE FEAST OF UNLEAVENED BREAD. Now the entire multitude of those that went out, including the women and children, was not easy to be numbered: but those that were of an age fit for war, were six hundred thousand.

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You look as though your preaching a fourth day resurrection. If Jesus was in the tomb for a full three days and three nights, then He must have risen on the fourth day. That is common sense.

Paul states that Jesus rose on the third day.

1 Corinthians 15:4
And that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures.

So we can be confident that Jesus rose during that third day.

You probably have a reason for generating a discussion on such a trivial matter.

This may be one of the signs that Jesus was talking about.

Luke 11:32
The men of Nineveh will stand up with this generation at the judgment and condemn it, because they repented at the preaching of Jonah; and behold, something greater than Jonah is here.

Understand that you need three days and three nights, which you can't get from Friday to Easter Sunday Morning. This is what the world teaches, which is contrary to Bible.
 

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Jesus died on Wednesday and rose on Sunday. And the reckoning of time was in the Hebrew mode (from sunset to sunset).

Prove it according to Bible, because in (Luke 24:1) Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them. (2) And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre. (3) And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus. (4) And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments: (5) And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead? (6) He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee,
 

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According to Mark 16: 1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him. 2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun. 3 And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre? 4 And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great. 5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted. 6 And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him.

Jesus didn't rise Sunday at all! Pay attention to the verse here.
 
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It wasn't really moved.

Because the feast of Passover immediately preceded the feast of Unleavened Bread, the two were often combined as if it was one eight day feast.

We see an example of this in the writings of the Jewish historian, Flavius Josephus.

You'll need to scroll down to chapter 15 after following this link to see what I've quoted:

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/josephus/ant-2.html

Chapter 15.

How the Hebrews, under the conduct of Moses, left Egypt.

1. [An. 1532] So the Hebrews went out of Egypt; while the Egyptians wept, and repented that they had treated them so hardly. Now they took their journey by Letopolis, a place at that time deserted; but where Babylon was built afterward, when Cambyses laid Egypt waste. But as they went away hastily, on the third day, they came to a place called Baalzephon, on the Red Sea. And when they had no food out of the land, because it was a desert, they eat of loaves, kneaded of flower, only warmed by a gentle heat: and this food they made use of for thirty days: for what they brought with them out of Egypt, would not suffice them any longer time; and this only while they dispensed it to each person, to use so much only as would serve for necessity, but not for satiety. Whence it is, that, in memory of the want we were then in, WE KEEP A FEAST FOR EIGHT DAYS; WHICH IS CALLED THE FEAST OF UNLEAVENED BREAD. Now the entire multitude of those that went out, including the women and children, was not easy to be numbered: but those that were of an age fit for war, were six hundred thousand.

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Yeah, it seems that Passover and Unleavened Bread were combined in these verse I quoted. Luke 22:1 says, "Now the Feast of Unleavened Bread drew near, which is called Passover." If the first day of Unleavened Bread was that "High Sabbath", then that would be Friday, then a regular Sabbath on Saturday, after that, resurrection on Sunday morning, and Jesus was crucified on Thursday, the day before the "high Sabbath". Some pastors did teach that, that is a possibility, and I tend to agree. It just can't be Wednesday, though.
 

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According to Mark 16: 1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him. 2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun. 3 And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre? 4 And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great. 5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted. 6 And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him.

Jesus didn't rise Sunday at all! Pay attention to the verse here.
The diagram does not show a Sunday rising.

Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to
the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance.
John 20:1

It does get confusing sometimes going back and forth between the two different ways of accounting for days.
 
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The diagram does not show a Sunday rising.

Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to
the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance.
John 20:1

It does get confusing sometimes going back and forth between the two different ways of accounting for days.
In the Bible, a “day” only contains 12 hours of daytime, the other 12 hours are nighttime. A calendar day is counted from 6:00 pm to 6:00 pm from sunset to sunset, this definition comes from Gen. 1:1-5 where it began with darkness, then light was divided from darkness.
 

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I wouldn't call this a "trivial matter" but I don't place as much importance on it as I used to.

To me it's far from settled and I'm not dogmatic about it. However, I am dogmatic that those who think they know for sure are wrong. Good arguments can be made from scripture on both sides.
 

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As a growing Catholic boy, I was under the impression that the Hebrew word
translated "sabbath" refers to the number seven, but all it really means is
intermission.

For example: back in the day, an intermission at the movies was a break
between films allowing folks time to use the restrooms, smoke a cigarette,
or buy food and refreshments from the snack bar. That was when theaters
showed two movies instead of just one like they do now. Lengthy movies
like Ben Hur and Laurence of Arabia were broken up with intermissions too.

The routine sabbath is typically identified with the seventh day of God's
creation endeavor wherein He took a time-out; but that time-out is
translated from a Hebrew word that means repose.

So then, any time element set aside by Moses' law as a period of repose
qualifies to be labeled a sabbath; which includes not only the weekly routine
day, but also a number of special holy days too, for example: the first and
last days of the Feast of Unleavened Bread (Ex 12:16 & Lev 23:5-8) the
Feast of Trumpets (Lev 23:23-25) and Yom Kippur (Lev 16:29-34).

The Feast of Unleavened bread kicks off at night seeing as how all holy days
begin and end with sundown. Now; the first night of the Feast of Unleavened
bread always coincides with the Passover lamb dinner; meaning of course
that Passover night is always a sabbath night regardless of which day of the
week the Jews' religious calendar calls for the Feast.

This year, Passover night begins at sundown the 15th of April. Next year
Passover night will begin at sundown the 5th. It changes from year to year
because the Feast of Unleavened Bread is a floating feast.

Now, the Feast begins with a Friday night in 2022, whereas it begins with a
Wednesday night in 2023, meaning of course that Wednesday night will be a
sabbath night because it will kick off the Feast of Unleavened Bread; which
requires that 2023's Passover lamb dinner be eaten on a Wednesday night.

Bottom line: Two days of repose occurred during crucifixion week. One of
them is easy to place because it's the routine day of repose; whereas the
other is Passover's repose; which is not so easy to place because the first
day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread floats.
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In the Bible, a “day” only contains 12 hours of daytime, the other 12 hours are nighttime. A calendar day is counted from 6:00 pm to 6:00 pm from sunset to sunset, this definition comes from Gen. 1:1-5 where it began with darkness, then light was divided from darkness.
Yes, I know. However, the gospel writers differ in how they account for time.
 

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#35
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When Jesus was living in Israel, the hours of "day" were when the sun was
up, and the hours of "night" were when the sun was down,

"Are there not twelve hours in the day? If anyone walks in the day, he does
not stumble, because he sees the light of this world." (John 11:9)

The "light of this world" is of course the Sun. (Gen 1:14-18)

However, world days and Jewish holy days differ. World days begin at
sunrise whereas the Jews' holy days begin at sunset. This difference can be
a bit confusing at times.
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So, here’s how I presently see it (I hope that your brains don’t cramp up).

According to God’s actual calendar, the evening comes first, and then the morning:

“And the evening and the morning were the first day.” (Gen. 1:5)
“And the evening and the morning were the second day.” (Gen. 1:8)
“And the evening and the morning were the third day.” (Gen. 1:13)
“And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.” (Gen. 1:19)
“And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.” (Gen. 1:23)
“And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.” (Gen. 1:31)

Although it’s not explicitly stated in scripture, it stands to reason that the evening and the morning were the seventh day as well.
With this understanding before us, I personally don’t think that it’s too hard to calculate exactly when Jesus was crucified.

I propose that Jesus was crucified on Thursday afternoon on Passover which would actually have been the second part of “the fifth day” of the week because, again, the evening comes first.

They needed to get his body into the tomb before sunset, or before the beginning of Friday or “the sixth day” of the week (again, the evening comes first), and here is why:

“And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree: His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, BUT THOU SHALT IN ANY WISE BURY HIM THAT DAY; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God) that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.” (Deuteronomy 21:22-23)

To this end, we read:

“The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.” (John 19:31)

“BECAUSE IT WAS THE PREPARATION”, or because this was the day before “that sabbath day” which “was an high day”, or because Passover was the day before the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread which was a special Sabbath day (Leviticus 23:7), Jesus couldn’t remain on the cross lest the land be defiled (Deuteronomy 21:22-23), so he was buried THAT DAY.

With such being the case, I see it like this:

Jesus was in the grave the second part of Passover Thursday or the second part of “the fifth day” of the week which was the “day” part of that day (the evening part of that day had already come first and passed), and which was a day of preparation because the next day, the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, was a “high day” or a special Sabbath, and the evening on Friday or the evening of “the sixth day” of the week which, again, comes first, and was the first part of the Feast of Unleavened Bread special Sabbath as well.

Thursday day and Friday night.

There is our first day and night.

Jesus was also in the grave Friday day which was the second part of “the fifth day” of the week, and which was also the second part of the Feast of Unleavened Bread special Sabbath, and Saturday evening or the evening part of “the sixth day” of the week which comes first, and which was the first part of the regular weekly Sabbath.

Friday day and Saturday night.

There is our second day and night.

Jesus was still in the grave Saturday day which is the second part of “the seventh day” of the week, and which was the second part of the regular weekly Sabbath, and Sunday evening which was the first part of “the first day” of the week.

Saturday day and Sunday night.

There is our third day and night.

Jesus arose from the grave Sunday morning WHICH IS THE SECOND PART OF SUNDAY OR THE SECOND PART OF “THE FIRST DAY” of the week.

In doing so, Jesus not only fulfilled the type of the Passover Lamb by being crucified on the Feast of Passover, and not only fulfilled the type of the feast of Unleavened Bread by giving us the ability to remove all leaven or sin which it represents from our lives (I Cor. 5:7-8), but he also arose from the dead on the Feast of Firstfruits on Sunday day and fulfilled that type as well.

In relation to the Feast of Firstfruits, we read:

“Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest: And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted for you: ON THE MORROW AFTER THE SABBATH THE PRIEST SHALL WAVE IT.” (Leviticus 23:10-11)

All 4 gospels record that Jesus was raised from the dead “on the morrow after the Sabbath” or on Sunday:

“IN THE END OF THE SABBATH, AS IT BEGAN TO DAWN TOWARD THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.” (Matt. 28:1)

“AND WHEN THE SABBATH WAS PAST, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him. AND VERY EARLY IN THE MORNING THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK, THEY CAME UNTO THE SEPULCHRE AT THE RISING OF THE SUN.” (Mark 16:1-2)

“And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; AND RESTED THE SABBATH DAY ACCORDING TO THE COMMANDMENT. NOW UPON THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK, VERY EARLY IN THE MORNING, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.” (Luke 23:56-24:1)

“THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK COMETH MARY MAGDALENE EARLY, WHEN IT WAS YET DARK, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.” (John 20:1)

REMEMBER, when we read how “in the end of the sabbath, AS IT BEGAN TO DAWN TOWARD THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK”, “AND VERY EARLY IN THE MORNING, the first day of the week…AT THE RISING OF THE SUN”, “upon the first day of the week, VERY EARLY IN THE MORNING”, and “the first day of the week…WHEN IT WAS YET DARK”, we are reading about THE SECOND HALF OF THE DAY ON SUNDAY OR THE SECOND HALF OF “THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK” BECAUSE THE EVENING COMES FIRST.

Anyhow, Jesus rose from the dead “on the morrow after the sabbath” (Lev. 23:11), thereby perfectly fulfilling the type in the Feast of Firstfruits, and for this reason the Apostle Paul twice referred to Christ as the “firstfruits”.

In relation to the same, we read:

“But now is Christ risen from the dead, AND BECOME THE FIRSTFRUITS OF THEM THAT SLEPT.” (I Cor. 15:20)

Again:

“But every man in his own order: CHRIST THE FIRSTFRUITS; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.” (I Cor. 15:23)

There are the fulfillments of the first 3 Springtime feasts, and here is the fulfillment of the 4th:

“And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete: Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.” (Lev. 23:15-16)

Fifty days after the Feast of Firstfruits came the Feast of Pentecost.

With such in mind, please consider the following:

Acts chapter 1

[1] The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach,
[2] Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:
[3] To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, BEING SEEN OF THEM FORTY DAYS, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:
[4] And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
[5] For John truly baptized with water; BUT YE SHALL BE BAPTIZED WITH THE HOLY GHOST NOT MANY DAYS HENCE.

Jesus was seen of his disciples for 40 days after his resurrection from the dead or for 40 days after the Feast of Firstfruits. He instructed his disciples to remain in Jerusalem before his ascension while telling them that they would “be baptized with the Holy Ghost NOT MANY DAYS HENCE. The disciples remained in Jerusalem for 10 days, which brings us to 50 days needed to reach the Feast of Pentecost, and here is what transpired that day:

Acts chapter 2

[1] AND WHEN THE DAY OF PENTECOST WAS FULLY COME, they were all with one accord in one place.
[2] And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
[3] And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

Again, another feast perfectly fulfilled on its literal calendar day.

In summary, this is how I see it:

Jesus was in the grave the day part of Thursday, and the night part of Friday.
He was also in the grave the day part of Friday, and the night part of Saturday.
Finally, he was also in the grave the day part of Saturday, and the night part of Sunday.

Again, there are the required three days and three nights.

For whatever that’s worth…
 

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(1) The Passover and (2) the Festival of Unleavened Bread
4 - 8

(3) Offering the Firstfruits
9 - 14


(4) The Festival of Weeks
15 - 22


(5) The Festival of Trumpets
23 - 25


(6) The Day of Atonement
26 - 32


(7) The Festival of Tabernacles
33 - 43
What are the numbers under each feast above?

I need the chapter and verse numbers for each annual sabbath day, so I can verify, if what you claim is correct.
 

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What are the numbers under each feast above?

I need the chapter and verse numbers for each annual sabbath day, so I can verify, if what you claim is correct.
Those are the verse numbers, as requested (Leviticus 23) .
 
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What are the numbers under each feast above?

I need the chapter and verse numbers for each annual sabbath day, so I can verify, if what you claim is correct.
Not to steal her thunder, but they are the verses in Leviticus chapter 23 which talk about the feasts of the Lord.